EdTheMythicalOne

Start all of your sighs and groans now, I have registered for Bold's new site.

Remember that Webb was actually a safety in college. He was considered too small for that position in the NFL and he had the ability to play corner as a pro. At one time he was playing better than Jimmy Smith and was our best corner on the team. He was never given as much credit for being a sure tackler for a guy of his size at the CB position. The one season where Webb was locking it down and Jimmy Smith finally hit his stride it seemed like the Ravens had two of the best corners in the game. Then injuries happened to both guys. For Webb it was both legs and then a lower back injury. He couldn't move like he did before and perhaps he should have moved to safety back then, but with the personnel already on the team the move just didn't make sense at the time.

In his first season back he was raw, as to be expected. He hadn't played the position in about 7-8 years. Over the course of the season he got better. We had Weddle playing out of position as a SS IMO and the Tony Jefferson deal was writing on the wall.

Always enjoyed Webb as a player and thought he always played like a Raven. Never saw him taking a play off or shying away from a tackle no matter what was coming after him. Who knows what his future in the NFL is, but I am sure some other team will be happy to add him to their roster. Maybe if his market isn't too crazy he comes back to us for depth. We still need another safety on the roster behind Jefferson and Weddle. Levine is already here and maybe Marqueston Huff is the other guy for now?

Thank you for all of your time as a Raven Mr. Webb!

There is also the comp picks for any of our RFA's that got tendered and might be signed elsewhere if the Ravens do not match the offers. That list includes:

RB Terrence West (3rd round)

OL: James Hurst (4th round)

S: Marqueston Huff (4th round)

WR: Michael Campanaro (7th round)

I think they also tendered DB: Jumal Rolle

55 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Loved Graham but there's just no place for him. 

Not sure what "hickary" means, and durability is great and all but his skills are deminishing. 

Stills tackles but his closing speed has declined. Doesn't have the athleticism to be relied upon on the back end. 

Levine brings everything Graham would, cheaper, younger and with more versatility and upside. 

The Bills secondary was awful last year. Safety play was a main culprit. 

I think he means hickory stick players...which doesn't really explain Graham's style of play. That term is usually used to define players that "lay the wood" on hits, thumpers like Pollard and Ihedigbo and most likely what Tony Jefferson is.

1 hour ago, lgcs27288 said:

I think the fact that the date was moved proves that we are being heard.

 

DO NOT STOP HERE!

 

While it is good to voice our displeasure on this thread, please take the time to hit the "contact us" button and voice your displeasure. 

 

We can not simply create topics on social media, we have to play by ear on what the Ravens media team gives us. 

 

The Baltimore Ravens spent $144 million in stadium upgrades to "better the fans experience." What about the unique experience and information for fans on here? There is a sense of a community here that the pages on social media simply can not provide. Why would the Ravens want to destroy that? I am proud to post on these boards!

 

Again, please hit the contact us button and let the people in Bisciotti's office hear your displeasure. 

 

When Ravens media and players open up questions to fans, ask them why they want to get rid of this community.

 

If youve read all of this, thank you for your time!

I've done my part and contacted the people through "contact us" about 3-4 days ago and I have yet to hear a reply.

I did more than just say, "this is a stupid decision and please don't close the boards."

I offered them the reasons why I thought this was a poor decision. I offered up the experience I had with the ESPN message boards and what has happened to them since they closed their boards down. I don't go to ESPN for my sports information anymore. I would log into the boards first and see what people were talking about, THEN move onto the articles/news. To me this site doesn't offer any more information than any other outlet out there. If they think this is the go to source of Ravens information they are sadly mistaken. Just because this is the official Ravens site doesn't really seem to make much difference. There is really no insider information coming from anyone on this site. It is just the same news coming out at the same time; or later in most cases, than other outlets. So again I come here to look at the boards first, then I might check out the articles and "breaking news."

Since ESPN closed their boards they are dead to me and for a lot of the other former posters there. It was a double whammy for ESPN since they also covered the other major sports in Baltimore.

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

To be honest I don't like Henry Ksufusi  or Davis. With Jernigan a free agent next year we should find a  penetrator in the draft. I was hoping for Easley but Rams put a round1 tender  on him.

No disrespect intended here, but how can you really judge Willie Henry or Bronson Kaufusi? They haven't had any time on the field to show what they can really do.

Carl Davis didn't impress me very much in his rookie season and of course he was hurt last season. He got some hype earlier on in the pre season when he was playing against the backups. When he was promoted and started going up against the ones, he disappeared. He has something to prove and this is the season where he has a chance to do it.

It would be nice to find an interior guy that can rush the passer consistently that fit a 3-4 scheme but those guys are pretty rare.

2 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I politely disagree. When a guy is playing  that well his first year at WR. And with  crappy QB play I may add. That is a testament to a players raw talent and potentially higher ceiling. And $8 with incentives is a small price for a true No.1  But I agree I would of signed him 2 yrs at $$16 with incentives. It would suck having to pay him after one big year. 

On a side note I really like Kendall Wright as much as Pryor. I honestly liked Wright as much as Marshall and Pryor before we didn't sign them. So many posters here wanted Pryor, then when we didn't get are saying he would have been a bad signing. I know he isn't a free agent but in draft. But I really like JuJu.

I think Pryor was a product of being the only viable threat on a team lacking any true impact players. We saw the same thing with Kamar Aiken. Aiken had a very good season when he essentially was the only healthy body on the field. Would you pay him $8 million a season based on that performance? Pause for a moment and let that sink in and before you say, "Kamar Aiken ain't no Terelle Pryor," allow me to post their stats and you will see just how similar they are.

Pryor:

140 Targets 77 Receptions,  1,007 yards, 4TDS, 13.1YPC, LONG: 54 Yards

Aiken:

127 Targets: 75 Receptions, 944 Yards, 5TDS, 12.6 YPC, LONG: 48 Yards

Keep in mind that Aiken also had Matt Schaub, Jimmy Clausen, and Ryan Mallett throwing him the ball for a majority of his games.

Arguably they are pretty much the same player and they are the same age.

20 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I wonder what market value for Guy is going to be. 

Not flashy but gets the job done. Def above replacement level starter and high quality rotational piece. 

Seeing some underwhelming DL players getting $4-5m/yr.... have to imagine Guy is at least in that ball park. Maybe even a little higher. 

As much as I like him, I just don't know if we can afford to pay him that with what we just spent on BWill, Jernigan due next year, and Urban, Kaufusi, Henry, Davis and Pierce already in the rotation. 

I've said it before and I will again. I always liked what Lawrence Guy gave this team on the field. Other players commended him for doing the grunt work on the interior line and he was a fine player. I think he was trying to do a little too much in his free agent year to cash in and got outside of himself a bit. I agree that his market will probably price him out of being a rotational piece along our line. Combine that with the fact that Pierce deserves more snaps next season, hopefully a healthy Carl Davis, Willie Henry, and Bronson Kaufusi come back, plus Brent Urban being in house....and the draft...I think it is time for Guy to move on.

I thought the same of Webb. Good player, but even if he restructured it would not have been a very affordable contract for a depth move.

On another note, I see this author graduated from the redundant school of redundancy. Does anyone proofread/edit the posts before they get posted?

If he can stay healthy I can envision him as a quality player for us. He is versatile and can offer some interesting play call options. We didn't sign him to be "the guy" as a runner, but more of the aggregate kind of player the team was hoping Campanaro could be and Keenan Reynolds might be.

If he proves he can't get it done or isn't healthy the team can always cut him.

This is going to be a long post and I apologize in advance for it because there is just so much I disagree with and have to adjust for sake of maximum correctness. I honestly don't know how a writer for the Ravens site can get away with making certain cases that appear in this article without presenting the whole truth. So please allow this novice to take the pro to some school and I will let the fans/posters here figure out who makes a better point. Maybe I should be writing for this site?

First of all, the main premise of this article is to not judge players too soon or to use one piece of evaluation to measure the success rate of a pick. Then the author goes on to use SALARY as the main measuring stick to prove that these players are something special. How many horrible QB's are getting paid crazy money these days? Teams have the ability to throw around crazy money in the days of the increasing salary cap. Poor teams will overpay for marginal talent all the time. Why not use some actual factual data to dictate who was or was not a good player.

Secondly, I think any time a team completely whiffs hard on their top two draft picks that draft is considered a bust. These are supposed to be players that are cornerstones of your franchise for years to come and both Elam and Brown contributed almost nothing in terms of on field production. The Ravens spent a lot of money and other resources in trying to correct those draft mistakes.

Third, the author brings up the lack of playing time for Brandon Williams, Kyle Juszcyck, and the release of John Simon. What the author fails to mention is that in Williams' rookie season he had a certain superstar Haloti Ngata and another second round bust pick in Terrence Cody ahead of him on the depth chart. At DE he had Arthur Jones and Chris Canty ahead of him. Where in that line up do you expect him to get snaps. His snaps came subbing in for Ngata after Cody got hurt again.

In Juice's case he had a superb lead blocker in Vonte Leach in front of him. Can you blame the Ravens for starting Leach over Juice? Juice was also a 4th round pick which is extremely high for a fullback. Most of them aren't even drafted anymore. Then there is John Simon who was behind Elvis Dumervil, Terrell Suggs, and Courtney Upshaw (another high pick bust in my opinion). He just was a numbers game cut plain and simple. Nobody was judging him at the time or labeling him as a bust.

Rick Wagner was a good tackle and I don't think he's worth the insane amount of money he's getting paid. It is just a matter of the current market dynamics. Lack of talent on the market and tons of cap space for some teams. Do you think Rick Wagner is the best RT in the game of football? I certaintly don't but he's getting paid like it.

Last year's draft won't be considered a bust because Ronnie Stanley appears to be the real deal. Any time you can grab a franchise LT in the draft you have to be tickled pink. Our second and third round picks are a bit questionable because Correa did almost nothing coming out of a small school and then Kaufusi is an old rookie who got hurt in his first season and couldn't play. Willie Henry and Carl Davis also couldn't contribute last season due to injuries so nobody is really judging them just yet.

The issue in Correa's case is all the hype he was getting from this site in training camp and in the pre season. He was making headlines more for his after play scuffles than his actual production. To have him wipe out as an edge rusher and then struggle in his conversion to MLB is obviously going to draw some ire, but this season will be his redemption phase. Nobody has closed the door on him yet.

4 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

8 million for Pryor was well worth risk. I'd rather have Pryor and Perriman than Wallace and Perriman. Seems like you don't no football as well as you think. 

1. Again I never said cut flacco but wouldn't be mad at all if we did. You said flacco has done well??? When? O the 4 games in a row to win the superbowl. Well football genius tell me when has flacco played 4 consistent games before then or after? I'll wait.... the answer is never!!! When has your leader ever been picked for a pro-bowl? Never! Well they ask him 1 year after Brady or Ben declined to go. Tyrod left for buffalo a made it his first year. 

2. Ed Reed football intelligence is off the carts. Harbaugh wanted him and Pollard gone. Why did they cut Pollard? I'll let you answer that because they only saved 1 million by doing that. That was a dumb move. He was the intimdator in the secondary. Then drafted Matt Elam and signed Michael Huff. Are you serious! 

3. Who cares what the market is for quarterbacks. If a player is not worth the market is then move on. Ask John Elway about that. He gave Peyton the money coming off 2 neck surgeries because he knew he could bring them a championship and he did. He let Brock walk and boy was the right decision. So please don't tell me about market value. 

4. I call a spade a spade and if you wanna be a Flacco lover then so be it. Again I'm not saying you can't win with him he's just not that guy. He has to be option 2 not 1. Ryan Clark always said when playing the Ravens they first assignment was to stop Ray Rice not Flacco. The blueprint is out on him..blitz up the a gap and he gets nervous and turns the ball over.

5. I'm done!

1) Pryor is not worth $8 million dollars and he is not the answer. He's new to wideout and has some red flags around him and that's why the Browns...even the Browns didn't want him. It is very telling that the equally as train wreck franchises the Redskins signed him.

2) I made this point in another thread about Flacco. First of all in his first five seasons in the league the team went to the playoffs, never were one and done in the playoffs, and they won a Superbowl. While Flacco may never have gone to a Pro Bowl (so what, it is a popularity contest) he did win a Super Bowl MVP and to me that means a whole lot more than making 10 pro bowls.

3) Pollard was cut because he was an extreme liability in pass coverage. Ed Reed turned into Deion Sanders towards the end of his career because he couldn't tackle anymore due to his neck. It was clear he was a shell of himself also due to some hip injuries. What exactly did he do after his Ravens career? He went to the Texans and got cut...the amazing Ed Reed got CUT. Then he went to the Jets and barely hung on. It was clearly time for Ed Reed to go, he just wouldn't admit it to himself.

4) The market for starting QB's certainly matters. Take a look at what some entirely mediocre QB's are getting that have never made the playoffs and then get back to me. You will be astonished. The bottom line is that Flacco is better than most of the starting QB's in the league and just because he's not Brady shouldn't mean he's not worth what a starting QB in this league gets these days. In a couple more seasons Flacco's contract will be dwarfed by others.

5) Is it any coincidence that Tom Brady's and Aaron Rodgers best seasons came when they had elite receivers and/or a good running game? Blount's breakout season this year is clearly a reason why the Patriots were so good again. Brady went turbo mode when he had a healthy and motivated Randy Moss. The whole stop the run thing is a common blue print for any team. Force a team to be one dimensional and you can game plan against it. If you stop the run, put your own points on the board, and the other team is forced to pass you can blitz all day long and try to get after the QB. Ray Rice in his prime was something special. Part of stopping him was also making sure you didn't sleep on him in the passing game.

6) Good, glad you're done because a lot of the points you are making have very little merit and just are not backed up with many facts.

16 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

It doesn't make much sense to me. 

NO reportedly turned down the Titans middle 1st rounder. 

Then BB calls and offers the 32nd pick and they accept??? Makes zero sense. 

I could understand maybe if they really wanted another mid round pick but they gave up their 4th to get the 3rd. Moves them up maybe 15-20 spots but it's not an extra pick. 

The Titans pick was a WAY better offer if that report was true. 

Perhaps it was the fact that the Titans also wanted Butler?

Wow, a lot of hate on Pitta and Flacco here.

The comment that Flacco is not a championship QB is...looking for a kind way to say it...not exactly correct. Under Flacco this team has made the playoffs 6 times in the 9 seasons he's played. In fact in his first five seasons this team went to the playoffs each season, never were one and done (in any of the six times they went to the playoffs), and won a superbowl. That run to the superbowl and the win would have never happened without Flacco.

It is amazing that Dennis Pitta was able to come back from not one, but two devastating hip injuries. Keep in mind he was a hero in that super bowl run as well. Obviously he's not quite the same guy he was before the injuries. As I stated before he is still the guy with the most reliable hands on the roster and he seems to be the only one that understands how to get open in zone coverage. It isn't his fault or Flacco's that none of his other targets can't separate from defenders.

As I stated before as well I don't think the team is planning on Pitta being the #1. I don't think that was the plan last season. It is just what happened along the way. Boyle was suspended, Gillmore got hurt, Watson got hurt, and Williams got hurt. We were down to Pitta and Waller as our only two active TE's and then the Ravens were just rotating guys on and off the roster every week just in case something happened to those two. I think moving forwards Maxx Williams will be the #1 until he proves he can't be or gets hurt again. I think with the loss of Juice that one of our TE's will be used as a motion H-Back/blocker role. On running downs you can put in Gillmore, then whomever you want as the 2nd TE, and then have Boyle as the lead blocking H-back or perhaps Waller. We could really get creative with a three TE package in this way.

This thread has certainly gotten more colorful lately

If this team was in blow it up mode I don't think they would have bothered picking up Wallace's option, signing Tony Jefferson, and bringing back Brandon Williams. They are getting rid of some older players like Webb and Dumervil and I think a few more are in the works. They say more FA moves are on the way. If they make a deal for Claiborne and Mangold that is further evidence that they are restocking the team and trying to make another run while we still have a window with Flacco at the helm.

I get the Flacco hate. He obviously isn't an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady...but look around the league and tell me how many other guys are? But he has proven that when he's healthy, he has a decent ground game, and has some legitimate targets he can be something special. Let's not forget that it was this team's terrible 4th quarter collapses that cost us many games over the last couple seasons.

I think last year is an anomaly. He was in his first season back with a surgically repaired knee w/brace that he obviously didn't trust. He had a shoulder injury for a few games as well that he played through. His line was porous at times as well. I think he's better than that when healthy.

21 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

id go corey again in a ny minute.  he was hickary for the bills. no missed time. we got a problem though. we got deciders who don't like to go back on howd they decided. its the one thing you can predict with em.  at least in there eye they doan make mistakes

 

Corey Graham had a great time as a Raven and he was very good with the Bills, but there is a reason why he moved to Safety and if you looked, we are kind of okay with that position now. We just let Webb go and he could do all the things that Graham could have. I don't think Graham would sign for backup money either. So I don't think it is really about the decision makers trying to protect their egos. I think it is about football/cap related issues.

56 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

I love the Levine signing. I love him as a special teams ace and back up SS. But where I think the real value may lie, is at ILB. 

We got Mosley who is a top MLB. He's a true tackling machine, who can shed blocks and blitz. Even shows some range in coverage. But, I think Levine can play Orr's role! Just look at players like Deon Bucannon, Deion Jones, Su'a Cravens, and Mark Barron. These hybrid safety/linebckers excel in coverage and being able to really run sideline-to-sideline. 

I think Levine can be a great complement Mosley. Levine had a great preseason last year. We also may having something in Correa at ILB or Osawor

Levine is a bit small to play that hybrid safety/linebacker role. If you look at those guys they are usually over 200lbs. Maybe if it is in no doubt passing downs only it could work.

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

 That's just not true. Ben Watson is certainly the vertical type of TE. That's probably a big reason why we signed him in the 1st place, he showed that in his time in New Orleans where consistently attacked the deep middle of coverage's. Look at his game against the Falcons, he was killing them on those type of plays. Now compare that to Pitta's best of the year vs Miami where he got a lot of his production from YAC and short/crossing patterns. Huge difference.

Now, I got love for Pitta, but there are some numbers out there that will show you that he really didn't do quite as good as the numbers say. I think his YAC and YPP is up there in the bottom of the league. I think that paints a picture that he really isn't as great as some believe him to be. 

Ben Watson is aging and now coming off of a serious leg injury and when I think of a vertical threat TE, Ben Watson does not come to mind. I think more of Ed Dickson or Darren Waller if they both could catch. It is one thing to do it for one game. Watson is a very good TE so please don't think I am saying he stinks. He gets open, he can catch well, but at this stage of his career I don't think he's got much left in the tank, especially after the injury.

In fact if you look at Pitta's numbers before his injury they match up with Watson's. I am speaking of YPC. Pitta also has a longer longest reception (61 yards more than Watson's best (46). Pitta also had a 7TD season prior to his injury which is a touch under Watson's best of 8.

I think we signed Watson because nobody thought Pitta would ever be healthy and Watson is a quality target. I am sure he was available because other teams wondered what a then 35 year old TE would have left in the tank. Now he will be 37 next season coming off of a serious leg injury. If he gets a job it might have to come somewhere else. It is a shame though, I would have liked to see what he could do here last season.

16 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

Saw that, don't mind me, Confora just an idiot

No worries. He was supposedly in the conversation of the possible trade but somehow the Pats managed to get him taken out of the conversation. Brady now has a speed demon threat...sheesh.

15 hours ago, K-Dog said:

There IS a thread on Webb.

Betcha' can't guess who posted it...

 

People should do a bit more searching before they make a blanket statement post. I mean the article on Webb and the posts about it are pretty easy to find. In another thread I had somebody claiming that "everybody" is complaining about Correa, but there were "no posts complaining about the Kaufusi pick." I know for a fact that I have made some posts about Kaufusi not being a great pick. Correa is just getting more attention because he was drafted higher, he was hyped to death on this site, and he didn't get injured early in camp like Kaufusi did. Sort of an out of sight out of mind thing.

At any rate, I would like to know from the powers that be what would have to happen to save these boards. The argument about people following the team on other social media outlets doesn't really hold water to me. We've all proven that most of us hate these other suggested modes of conversation...mostly because they actually do not allow a conversation. If it is money some people have expressed a willingness to donate. If it is manpower heck, I would offer to learn how to do something to help run a site and there are others around in our community with experience in the field that I am sure would help if they knew it would keep this place around.

So what's the deal Admins? I've contacted the site through "contact us" and have heard nothing but crickets. I would like some attention paid to the message I sent and get some personal one on one conversation time with the person who made this decision to find out what is really behind it and try to have this person convince me that the decision is a good one.

I can't shake the feeling that the writers for this site have something to say about it. A lot of us don't really value their offerings and aren't afraid to say so. Maybe instead of taking it out on us posters they should look for better writers?

5 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

The reason why sites like this close down  due to lack of people is very simple. It is because a lot of people who come 

to these sites to read and try to get into discussion are always put down by the very FEW and SAME people that always dominate

and act as if their opinion is the only one that matters. If you disagree with them you get talked about and ridiculed as if

you didn't know a thing about football.... And lord forbid if you say one wrong thing about the Ravens. It is either you 

just agree with everything and anything the same 5 or 6 people say that act as if they own the site or say nothing.

       This was basically the same thing I read on the Scout Forum a while back as well.  They would say that the place

became a ghost town and wondered why. It was the same reason. A few know it alls that spoiled it for everyone else.

So it has nothing to do with advertising, more exposure, etc. ...it has to do with allowing the same very few people dominate

everything with their opinions get away with it and drive everyone else away. That is what happens to these sites. It is as if

these people have no life and have to voice their opinion on every single subject that comes up. And as stated always act as if 

their opinion is the best and only one.

       I used to sit in seats at Ravens stadium that were adjacent to a lone seat  that wasn't owned by a PSL. The best thing

that happened was that a lot of times it usually sold on game day to an opposing fan. At first that seemed like a bad thing...

but eventually I learned that I got better insight and talk from someone with a different opinion about not only their team 

but the Ravens as well because they weren't biased and gave opinions that were way different then a purple kool-aid 

drinking Ravens fan. So eventually I hoped that the person buying the seat would be someone from the other team as I had

better conversation and friendly rivalry with them. 

     These sites block those kind of people. They only allow Ravens fans and set up so many rules about what you can say or

not say that after a while it sounds like a Leave It To Beaver TV Show. "Golly gee Wally the R avens are really neat" .. "Yeah, 

I know Beave" ... But let Eddie Haskell show up and it all goes down hill and he is told to go home.....

       Hopefully, someone opens a site where people can voice their opinions good or bad and stop the few no-it-alls that dominate

and ruin them. 

If I let other people dictate my personal opinions and let that impact what I post here, I would never post anything at all. I don't always go with the group think. I have my own observations and thoughts which I feel are no less or more warranted than any other fan's opinion. We're all fans. None of us are Ravens coaches. I simply try to be as educated on something as I can be and make my decisions on that.

11 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Reportedly Malcolm Butler also a part of the deal

The Pats get to keep Butler, he is not part of the deal.

4 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I'm not sure how much this site costs the team (presumably) to run, but surely even a donation model (where payment is voluntary) would at least come close to being enough. 

Maybe it is a personnel thing? What if the admins and powers that be would allow volunteers to run the boards maintenance and such? Heck, we have people offering to do that right now by making their own sites. Why not tap that resource and keep something all us hardcore fans enjoy? I would offer to help in that aspect if I had an IT background, but alas I do not.

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Thinking about it - probably best to keep Pitta for now. 

Without landing another proven WR we need weapons. And while Pitta can't really get down the seam like he used to, he's still a weapon that makes catches in traffic. 

Maybe, for once, we'll actually use the assets we have a TE and do a lot with multiple sets. Especially since Juice is gone it'd make sense to do a lot with 2 TEs with one in line and another moving around the formation from the back field, to the line and the slot. 

If that's the case then cool. 

But if this just means Maxx, Waller and Gillmore are just going to sit without getting a shot to prove themselves more then I don't like it. 

I'm not sure if I made this point in this thread earlier or in other places, but this is exactly what I have been saying.

Right now Pitta has the best hands on the team. He is a proven reliable target that gets himself open in zone coverage which is a skill that all of our other receivers, not just tight ends, lack.

I think the idea is for Maxx Williams to be the #1 TE and with Pitta being the move guy. On heavier packages he is subbed out for Crockett Gillmore and then Nick Boyle would act more as the FB. In my scenario (Ben Watson is gone) Darren Waller can also come in as a move player for some mis match opportunities.

The only reason why Nick sat was because of his 10 game suspension. The reason why Gillmore and Maxx weren't on the field were because of injuries.

1 minute ago, terrynjulia03 said:

I believe they think they're close. You know Webb is a liability, regardless what fans like, so you go get the #5 ranked safety and 1 in the box to play SS and move Weddle to FS. Instant upgrade. You keep your run stuffing NT and work on his stamina so he doesn't fade over the last quarter of the season. You know you're losing your FB whom you never really used as a lead blocker but more of a flat catcher and replaced him with someone better at that. 

Theres still work to do, mainly we need another top notch corner as you can't trust Jimmy, and you need a mediocre MLB, A upgrade at C(maybe a short term rental like Mangold to coach up a possible 3rd pick) and you need a LG, assuming Lewis slides to RT, or you need a RT. Either or. 

Luckily this draft is very deep at DB and S and pass rushers. Personally I wouldn't even bother with pass rusher. We've drafted a bunch over the past 2 years that have been overly hyped. Someone has GOT to step up. Draft the best DB on the board at 16, in the 2nd and 3rd, no projects take BPA regardless of position. 

The moves they've made aren't rebuilding moves. They're let's upgrade a couple places and make a run moves. 

I liked Webb but he doesn't offer the same thing at Tony Jefferson and I feel Weddle is good enough in coverage to be a FS. Overall I think this is an upgrade. Keeping Brandon Williams was nice and will pretty much insure we will have a good run defense again. For the investment I would like to see him staying on the field more.

Juice was actually a decent lead blocker and they did use him a lot in that role. I am sure the team already has a plan on a replacement or will find one they like. Who knows, maybe in Trestman's offense we go single back?

I agree with you about the defensive backs. Jimmy is great when healthy but that is not very often and we have no clear answer on the other side of the ball. I think we need to sign Claiborne and draft a top tier CB talent and hope they pan out.

We need more than a mediocre MLB, we need another starter next to Mosley. I am not sure if Correa is the guy...again, unless the Ravens are planning to move to a 4-3 defense as a base...which I doubt. I am sure there will be some veteran cut here that the Ravens will try to milk the last couple of good seasons out of.

Mangold looks to be the option at center if they are going to make a change. The only other option I see is potentially Matt Skura or John Urschel...and I am not sure if either of them is better than Zuttah. We do need another guard and whether it is left or right depends on Yanda really. He wants to move back to RG which is fine, but if that injury he sustained last year is still lingering I think he's better at LG. Then you can possibly sign D.J. Fluker to play RG or RT. I am not so sure Alex Lewis is a good fit at LG.

I think you always draft a pass rusher at some point. You can never have too many. The reason why is precisely for the reason you state. We've drafted some and they aren't producing. Time to cut them if we can get somebody better.

And I agree, Steve Bisciotti is still sticking to his original statement. That he does not believe in "rebuilding."