EdTheMythicalOne

Ravens-themed soccer uniforms, WHO CARES!!!!!

The name of the game is NFL Football. I guess we need to add the QB from Cleveland so he doesn't beat us next year? If we had an offense that could stay on the field we wouldn't have to worry, but we have "3 and out Flacco". A NEW QB would be great but he has to have a team and ability beat the other NFL teams, not just the Ravens, everyone does that
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Draft time again and we need to start with a center, 2 DB's, LB and a RB. We need players who can start so Ozzie must get these players in the first 3 rounds. Trade up, trade picks, just get STARTERS or with the age of our team we are done for another 4-5 years. Ozzie has been very poor the past 4-5 years with draft choices in rounds 3 and up. His WR's and TE choices are really bad.
Maybe it's time for Ozzie to retire???

You do realize that around the rest of the world what we call Soccer everyone else calls Football?

10 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

I agree with your thinking on this. The salary cap has made a lot of difference in the NFL. Not re-signing a draft pick does not negate the quality of the pick. Retention of the great picks is a different challenge for the FO due to the dead money we have had to carry lately and Joe's big contract. I think we've had more than our fair share of salary cap casualties recently. I really hated to see Torrey, Kruger and Jarret Johnson leave the fold. To me, I'd rather lose a free agent like Boldin than a drafted Raven because of the return on the investment (ROI). Hopefully, the dead money thing will improve now that Pitta has returned and the Ray Rice debacle is over but our dead money carryover is still one of the highest in the league.  

I also think the value of the pick is how long of a successful career they had in the NFL. If you drafted a guy that hangs around the NFL for a decade and isn't a special teamer, even if he only played 4-5 seasons with your team, that was still a good pick because his longevity in the league proves you drafted a real player. I even think guys that didn't necessarily have their best performance until after the Ravens let them go are still good picks. There are times when players on the Ravens don't get to play much because of who is ahead of them.

Torrey was all about the salary and the situation the Ravens were in. Had they had the money they perhaps would have kept him. Paul Kruger was a bust and I wasn't sad to see him go at all. He cashed in big with the Browns and had only one good season for them and he stunk up the joint in New Orleans as well. I liked Jarret Johnson a lot, but it was time for him to move on. He was at the end of his career and had little left in the tank at that point. I think he had 1 or 2 decent seasons with San Diego.

But, like I said earlier, a lot of these guys who cashed in on long term big money second contracts did not live up to them which was mostly due to injuries.

Glad to see a lot of good discussion here in this thread.

The guys drafted within the last couple of seasons I think it is too soon to write a book on them about what they are or are not. We need to see a healthy Maxx Williams again to see if he's what the Ravens thought he was. He showed flashes in his rookie season. Both KC and Kafusi got injured as well so we weren't able to see how they could contribute. They all have question marks, most draft picks do.

I agree that KC will probably be rotated around the linebacker spots, but in order for him not to tip his hand that he's just a rusher from those spots, he has to be legitimately be able to play the responsibilities of those positions and show that he can drop in coverage or play against the run. Otherwise the defense knows whenever he's on the field at whatever position, he's the blitzer.

I liked what I saw from Maxx before he got hurt. He was just starting to click with Joe and make some good plays. We've been seeing a lot of guys get hurt right after drafting them and they are all pretty much fluke injuries. Perriman hurt his knee while diving for a pass, he wasn't even tackled. Kaufusi had his leg rolled up on. KLM could never stay healthy and Brent Urban had some issues early on as well.

I am looking forward to the draft as I am every season but I am not going to bite as hard on the hype train. It will also be interesting to see who the Ravens actually are able to keep and who walks in free agency. The good news is, last season is already behind us. Let's hope the team is well on the way to getting on the right track again.

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The Cleveland Browns aren't likely to be interested at all. They have the #1 overall pick, another top 15 pick, and a gigantic amount of cap space. If they want to address the position for 2017, they can set their sites far, far, far, far, far higher. Pretty much every QB from draft picks to FAs to trades is at their disposal, because they have the ammo and money to get literally anybody. 

2. The Jets already have two QBs on the roster who are young, cheap, and have displayed very little on film to be confident about. I doubt they're looking to add a third.

Given that Mallett was dangerously close to losing the backup job to a journeyman like Josh Johnson in the preseason, I highly doubt his market will be flattering. At best, he will get consideration for backup jobs on teams, this one included.

If teams were legitimately interested in him as a potential starter, surely they would have come calling after the 2015 season (when he actually played). For literally any draft pick possible, we would have shipped him away. A 7th rounder and a cooler full of beer would have had us jumping for joy.

Again, don't see what has changed from 2016 to 2017 that makes people think that Mallett all of the sudden is going to get interest, considering he didn't play in 2017.

For the same reason Matt Schaub might be getting a look. There are more teams out there than good QB's so any team that is desperate for arms would be interested in him. I am not saying he's got people salavating, but once teams take stock of what they've got and then realize who is out there on the market, Mallet will probably be one of the better ones out there that shouldn't cost a fortune to sign.

The Browns are supposedly looking to bring in Jimmy Garapolo from New England. The QB draft class is supposed to not really be all that great...and the list of those FA QB's isn't exactly littered with amazing talent. Why not list all the ones available right now? All things are indicating that Kaperkneel will be out of SF and I think he'd probably be one of the top names available. That's saying something.

I don't think the Jets are too confident about what they have in house and one thing Mallet always has had is a strong arm. I just think the talent base you have to start with is better than what most guys have, it is just getting in his head and keeping him focused. He's shown that he can win in this league which is more than what some other Qb's can claim.

24 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

The most interesting thing about this, and something I've never thought about previously, is that Rice is the only 2nd round pick we've resigned.  Sadly, that worked against the team since he only played one year under the new contract and it was a very bad year for him on the field

In most of the cases the Ravens were right not to extend those players. Very few of the ones they let get away actually went on to be any good after.

Couple of things to echo here from other posters. It is true that sometimes great players have a hard time becoming great coaches or managers because what made them so great was a mix of God given talent, or a fanatical devotion to details which a lot of the players they interact with will not have and will have a hard time relating to. WHY can't they do what I do? WHY don't they study film like I did? WHY aren't they living in the gym?

I don't know as much about Mike Singletary as I do about Ray Lewis simply because of the era and the fact that he played for Chicago. I know he was a beast on the field, but I don't know how much of a film buff he was or what kind of teammate he was. I think it showed in a couple of press conferences that he couldn't relate to some players. I am speaking of the one where he dropped his pants and mooned the press with boxer shorts on and the other one when speaking about what he thought of Vernon Davis, "Player like that....can't win with them.....can't do it."

Ray was a team captain and essentially coached the defense on the field. He held his own personal film study sessions outside of what the coaches did and Ed Reed was also in the room with him all the time. As a player when his physical side started to diminish he willed this team to victories and it was his superior game knowledge that allowed him to play at a high level.

As a motivational speaker I think he could fire up any defense or team he coached for. It is a dual edged sword though. Some players with the Ravens grew tired of his often sermon-like speeches and I'd have to think if he was coaching a losing team the players would get tired of hearing his at times rambling and nonsensical utterances.

His time as an analyst never really took off which probably means that career is short-lived for him. If he wants to be close to football again after his children are all grown up, coaching will be his in. I do think it would be a mistake to hand him a franchise right off the bat, but I can certainly see him as a "guest" linebacker coach at first just like the Ravens did with Singletary. See how he does, see what impact he has, then move him up the chain from LB coach to DC, then possibly a head coach if that's what he wants to do. Knowing what I do about Ray, I would never bet against him to do anything he wants.

I looked over the complete second round history of this franchise and it is I'd say roughly 50/50 whether we get a gem or a bust and that doesn't refer to recent history. It has been that way for the entire length of this franchise.

I think the issue is that the more recent moves are obviously the more easily remembered ones and the busts sometimes overshadow the ones that turn into full time starters.

Just within the last few seasons we've seen these results:

2010: The Kindle/Cody fiasco, but then we bounce back in 2011 and 2012 with Torrey Smith and Kelechi Osemele...two BIG pieces to our second superbowl. Then in 2013 you have the Arthur Brown bust, but then in 2014 we get Timmy Jernigan who kind of dazzles you at time with flashes of brilliance and then blows it with stupid plays/lack of production. We also got Maxx Williams in 2015 who showed when healthy he might be a player, followed by KC in 2016 who so far is not showing up well.

I found myself thinking, "Hmm, maybe the Ravens would be better off just trading the 2nd round pick to trade up or get more picks later in the draft..." but then reversing myself when I see names like Ray Rice, Torrey Smith, and Kelechi Osemele.

I've been seeing a lot of posts in articles written and just on the comments and boards here in general about how the Ravens seem to be whiffing on a lot of upper tier picks recently, especially the second round. This got me to thinking...have the Ravens ever drafted well with their second round picks? I plan to post all of the second round picks since the team's inception and let you, the fans decide:

1996: 2nd round: CB: DeRon Jenkins...AKA: "toast." He played four seasons with the Ravens, never a starter, and in his last season with this team was relegated to Special Teams. Hung in for two more unimpressive seasons with SD and TEN.

1997: 2nd Round: LB: Jamie Sharper: Was a 5 year starter with Baltimore and really started to click in his final season with the team. He wasn't a supremely disruptive force in his time with Baltimore but they got a 5 year starter out of the pick and that's exactly what you want out of a high pick.

1997: 2nd Round: S: Kim Herring: Was a full time starter in 2 of his 4 years with the team and put up his best season in his walk year. Cashed in on a big contract with the Rams where he continued to be a good starter before the injury bug bit him hard. I don't think he provided as much value as Sharper did.

1998: 2nd Round: WR: Patrick Johnson: Supremely fast (he once beat Olympic dynamo Carl Lewis in a race) but could never get open or catch a ball. If your first thought when reading the name listed was "WHO?" then you kind of answer the question of feast or famine.

1999: No 2nd round pick.

2000: No 2nd round pick.

2001: 2nd Round: CB: Gary Baxter: Baxter was a 3 year full time starter in his four seasons with Baltimore. At 6'2'' 204lbs he was a force to be reckoned with and paired up extremely well opposite Chris McAlister. He played very well for us and cashed in big with Cleveland but injuries caught up with him as well and derailed his career. I presonally think this was a good pick.

2002: 2nd Round: DL: Anthony Weaver: Was a 4 year full time starter in each of his seasons with the team. He was a disruptive force as he caused fumbles, swatted away passes, and did get to the QB a bit. He went on to be another 3 year full time starter for Houston before a shoulder injury ended his career.

2003: No 2nd Round Pick

2004: 2nd Round: DT: Dwan Edwards: Edwards was a rotational player for the first three seasons and then became a regular starter for the final two seasons here with Baltimore, played two seasons with Buffalo as a starter and then four more seasons with Carolina as a starter and then rotational guy that saw plenty of snaps until his final season with them in 2015. He was better in his time after a Raven, especially with Carolina when he became a pass rushing threat. While we didn't get all the value out of him that he had, his success elsewhere and 11 year career I think proves that he was a good pick.

2005: 2nd Round Pick: Dan Cody: Cody was a hyped pick but unfortunately barely ever played due to blowing out his knee in camp almost as soon as we got him in camp. This pick was a bust simply because we never got to see him play.

2005: 2nd Round Pick: OT: Adam Terry: Terry had the looks, a big guy at 6'8'' 330lbs he had the makings of a monster mauler type. Unfortunately he didn't have the heart or durability to ever fulfill that promise. He spent four unimpressive seasons as a back up/situational starter for us before missing all of a season and then playing 2 games for SD.

2006: 2nd Round Pick: OG: Chris Chester: At 6'3'' 300lbs. and being a former TE, he had the athleticism the Ravens were looking for, but wasn't as physical as he needed to be in our system at the time. He was a full time starter for the team in the three of his last five seasons with the team and then went on to be a full time starter for the rest of his career which was 4 more years with Washington and 2 more with Atlanta. He was a good player overall, just didn't fit our scheme at the time.

2007: No Second Round Pick

2008: 2nd Round Pick: RB: Ray Rice: Don't think I need to say too much here. Without Rice we probably don't win the second SB. Unfortunately an off the field domestic abuse issue forced his premature departure with this team and as a result cost him the rest of his career.

2009: 2nd Round Pick: DE/OLB: Paul Kruger: Part of Kruger's issue is that the Ravens couldn't decide if he was an End or an OLB in our system and Kruger didn't thrive in any as a starter. He found success in his last two seasons, especially in his final season as a situational pass rusher and then starter down the stretch and in the playoffs for the Ravens. Cashed in BIG with the Browns where in three seasons he turned in only one good one and was ultimately cut before signing on with the Saints to have yet another poor season.

2010: 2nd Round Pick: OLB: Sergio Kindle: Ouch. We never got to see what kind of pass rushing monster Kindle could be because almost right after we drafted him he "slept walked" after drinking a lot at a party and fell down a flight of stairs which fractured his skull and left him with some permanent hearing loss. But that's okay because we had ANOTHER 2nd round pick in 2010, right?

2010: 2nd Round Pick: DT/NT: Terrence Cody: AKA: "Mt. Cody" was a massive body that the Ravens envisioned eating up blockers in the middle of the defense and allowing everyone else to roam free. Unfortunately Cody ate lots of other things. At nearly 400lbs perhaps his combine numbers should have said something to the Ravens as he did only 19 reps of 225lbs. Add in injury issues and you got a big disappointment figuratively and literally speaking. Ouchx2.

2011: 2nd Round Pick: WR: Torrey Smith: Paired up with big arm QB Joe Flacco Torrey used his great speed to very good results in this offense and becoming the ONLY drafted WR by the Ravens to go over 1,000 yards in a season. Able to make big time plays and score the football he was a full time starter in each of his four seasons in Baltimore. Due a big pay raise, he cashed in big in FA with the 49ers and has had two lackluster seasons with them.

2012: 2nd Round Pick: OG: Kelechi Osemele: He may be one of the best Guards in the game right now as a sheer massive mauler and was a full time starter in each of his four seasons with the Ravens and was credited for the turn around in Oakland in his first full season with them. If nagging injuries don't become more bothersome moving forward he may be an all time great as he's missed at least some playing time in each year following his first with the Ravens.

2013: 2nd Round Pick: MLB: Arthur Brown: Brown never made it passed Special Teams contributor in his three seasons with the Ravens before they finally gave up on him and he then spent 2016 between the Jets and Jags as a special teamer as well.

2014: 2nd Round Pick: DT: Timmy Jernigan: Jernigan is a bit of an enigma right now as he at times shows flashes of becoming a disruptive force from the interior line, but getting derailed by stupid penalties or just lack of production. He's become a full time starter in his third season with the Ravens and it will be interesting to see if it finally clicks for him in his next season. If it does plan on Jernigan walking for a huge pay day as big time pass rushing threats from his position are rare commodities.

2015: 2nd Round Pick: TE: Maxx Williams: Williams like Jernigan is a question mark right now, when on the field he's shown flashes of being the Todd Heap-like playmaker the Ravens thought they were getting. But nagging injuries in his first season kept him off the field and a major injury kept him completely off the field in 2016. He will need to stay healthy and regain his form next season. It will be a big make or break year for him IMO.

2016: 2nd Round Pick: LB: Kamalei Correa: An under the radar pick, the Ravens had fans questioning the pick from the onset even though pundits around praised how well Correa shows up on film. Perhaps they should have questioned the competition level he faced. Admittedly he does look good to my eyes on his college game tape, but now he's going up against the best of the best. He was hyped so much but other than getting into scrums with veterans (including one that broke one of Dennis Pitta's fingers/thumb) he made literally no noise. Thinking his game doesn't quite match up for a outside rushing threat and an injury forcing Zach Orr to retire there is talk of KC moving to ILB. He got limited playing time in his rookie season partially due to unimpressive play and a major injury. It will be interesting to see just what he turns into going forward.

15 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Given the 12 games Torrey played in, because as you stated he was out for 4 he put up 297 yards. The year before he was only listed as a starter for 12 games also but played in all 16. Total 663 yards, Boldin put up 789 in the same 12 games. His second to last year. 

If you take the same first 7 years, Wallace has 3 1000 yard seasons, Torrey has 1. I get having weak QBs but isn't Gabbert known for having a good deep ball? It's his decision making and progressions along with terrible over the middle accuracy that's done him in. 

All in all TBH, and you mentioned it Marshall. Given average pre year, look at say Atlanta what they're paying, look at Cinnci, Redskins even Seattle. Last year the Skins paid both Jackson and Garçon 8m each. Atl paid Julio 14 and Sanu 6. BM got paid 8 in a injury riddled down season and is set to be a FA casulty. I was on the get Garçon train, because he's def getting cut. The Skins are gonna stick with Jackson and than they're younger guys because they gotta figure out how to retain Cousins. But at this point I think he's more a consolation prize. 

In that season you are using to compare Boldin and Torrey I think you left out some important details.

Targets:

Boldin was targeted 111 times, catching 69 passes of his 789 yards with 4 TD's and a 11.4 YPR average which is not all that wonderful.

Torrey was targeted 62 times catching 33 passes for 663 yards with 4 TD's and a 20.1 YPR average which is amazingly good.

The only other receivers on the team with around 30 receptions had half the yardage of Torrey or less.

Your point about Wallace having 3 1,000 yard seasons emphasizes my point. Two of them were with Ben, then there's a four season gap between his next one here in Baltimore with Joe.

Torrey hasn't even played 7 seasons yet.

I am all for adding Garcon to this roster if we can't get Marshall. I think he'd be a good fit and would help our offense quite a bit. He'd be a very good complimentary piece but I don't think that's what this team needs. We need a proven #1 and I don't see that guy on this roster yet. Marshall would definitely be that player.

7 hours ago, flynismo said:

Well, you have to keep in mind that back in early 2008, Ryan had already been enshrined in the HOF. Kind of the way Luck is already in the HOF.

To be honest, yes, we can say that would have been idiotic of us, but on the other hand, I thought Ryan was going to be a bust (and Flacco the best QB in the class -- yes, I thought these things BEFORE the draft). Point is, it's all opinion. If you feel that strongly about a guy, especially one who was as "pro ready" as Ryan was and we were in win now mode, you do what it takes to get him...within reason.

I think giving up your entire draft for one player is well outside of the realm of reason. You are cashing in all of your chips on something you aren't sure of and you certainly can't afford to miss on a 1st round QB that is supposed to be the franchise holder. You are also giving up any chance of finding other talent to help your team succeed in that process and is a completely idiotic way to try to build a franchise. I can't believe Ditka did that move...and for a RB to boot.

Even the revised picks that were in discussion in my opinion was too much for just one guy.

3 hours ago, Bohica5 said:

Its Unbelievable that Kubiak or Chip Kelly is not our OC already!!!!....front office doesn't wanna win................

Gary Kubiak retired from the NFL due to stress and health reasons. He's not going to coach in the NFL any time soon. Maybe again in a few years after some rest and time away from the game, but I think we've seen the last of Gary in a coaching role in the NFL. Perhaps he can become a consultant front office type at some point. Chip Kelly has been a disaster of a HC and I don't think his offense works in the NFL anyway.

I agree with you to some degree that the Ravens should have moved on from Marty, but the thought seems to be he was trying to run Trestman's offense to make it easier on the players and not having them trying to learn a new system in the middle of a season. That next season we're going to see his style of offense and it will be different. I guess it remains to be seen. If we see more of the same blunder headed play calling I am certain there will be a strong backlash from the fans and on this board. I will be leading the charge unless somebody beats me to it.

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think everybody said this after last season, when he actually got playing time and looked mildly competent.

He didn't get any starting jobs then, so what has changed in the last year that makes people think he will now?

Keep in mind also that there's some significantly better QBs that could be available this offseason than last offseason, namely your Romo's, Cutler's, Glennon's, Garoppolo's, etc.

At best, he gets a team to bring him in to compete for a job. My guess is he sticks on a team as a strict backup, very possibly in Baltimore.

The Ravens got Mallet because he was released due to his mental flare ups and being a petulant jerk by missing team meetings and flights because he was angry about being benched. He needed a "make good" contract because nobody was going to trust their franchise to somebody that displays that level of maturity. He got exactly what he needed here in Baltimore. A full season of no ill reports and he displayed the ability to play on the field when he got them. He's earned some invites to teams that are desperately seeking arm options. The Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets are both legit possibilities in my mind since RGIII is no lock to stay and can't stay on the field and Geno Smith isn't setting the world on fire and Patrick Fitzryan finally reverted back to his unimpressive self.

14 hours ago, eze17 said:

T.O. is lying...if the HOF meant nothing to him, he wouldn't even bother responding. Maybe you should have accepted that trade to B-More and things may have worked out different. You'll get in eventually, but glad their making you wait.

He is demonstrating with his backlash comments to the voting committee and about the process why he's not already in. When he was in SF he trashed Jeff Garcia and destroyed that team. When he was in Philly he trashed McNabb and essentially blamed him for not winning the Super Bowl. I personally think TO is the genesis for all of these other diva receivers who celebrate their touchdowns like they are the most amazing thing in the universe. Totally makes it all about them. Meanwhile the only reason why you scored is because your linemen blocked, your QB saw you and fired off a great pass, and some coaches put a game plan together to get you open. Chad Johnson (I refuse to call him by his invented name...and therein lies his personality) was in the same mold and now you have Beckham with his antics.

It seems as if TO hasn't leaned his lesson yet. He's made some comments that will be tough to walk back, but something like that from him will be needed before the Hall considers putting him in. He needs to come out and make a sincere apology because he's throwing all of the voters under the bus and can't seem to realize the reason why he's not in is because of HIM and not others. Like his former QB's, he's completely belittled and disrespected the very people that hold the keys to his enshrinement. Talk about stupid.

Matt Schaub is going to get a chance to be a starting QB again? Really? If that is actually true then by all means Ryan Mallet has a chance at being a starter again. There are plenty of teams out there that need QB's and he could be a relative cheap option that you bring in to camp and let battle out with some other arms. If he loses the starting role he could be the back up.

I don't recall hearing any issues with Ryan and that's exactly what he needed to do. He needed to keep his nose clean and just do his job. The arm has always been there, it has always been about what's from the neck up.

If Schaub can cure his pick six demons that would be cool, but I still can't believe what I watched when he played for the Ravens...knowing this was a continuing trend from his last season in Houston.

13 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Think I read a correction that it was that years 1st and 2nd and we offered that years 3rd or 4th and they covered with 2009 2nd also, and that's when we said no. So essentially, Joe, Rice, Gooden and Kruger.

Which TBH I still wouldn't switch for, I just don't think Ryan would hold up in our division. If you look at PFF and his career stats outside vs inside it's night and day. 

The last time we gave up two high picks for a QB was Kyle Boller. Yikes. I am glad this was a deal that never got made. If it would have been a 1st and a 3rd or 4th that would have been okay, but not a first and a second and then another second in the next year, that's just way too much.

Part of the reason the Ravens were so high on Flacco is that he played at Delaware which has pretty much the same weather as Baltimore does in the winter. When they went to scout him it was a rainy, cold, blustery day and Flacco's ball was pretty much unaffected. This showed that he could play in our elements.

Who knows, if we would have gotten Ryan than perhaps we never see that second Super Bowl trophy? I think Ryan is a good QB, but who knows what the team would have been like around him. In some alternate universe out there, Matt Ryan is the starting QB for the Ravens...would be fun to take a peak.

10 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think the offense was a perfect fit for Torrey, I think he was effective but the numerous slant/crossing patterns don't play up to his strengths, and I honestly feel the same way towards Mike Wallace, I don't think the offense is best fit for him either because he's not consistent on those routes either. I feel that in a different offense we could have seen a much better Torrey Smith, maybe we see a better Mike Wallace too. 

This is not directed to you, but I always wondered why Torrey caught so much flack here. He's not a super-star WR, but he's a good receiver and still is the only drafted receiver in franchise history to have a 1,000 yard season.

I don't think any of the Ravens fit the system and that's been the problem with the team since they tried to move away from the smash mouth run game based offense. They tried to make Flacco be the focal point of the offense by having him pass more and show off that arm, but I don't think they understand what he does best. He's not a fit in this current version of the West Coast offense. None of our receivers seem to get open. The only consistent (sort of due to missing time with injuries) person on the team who can always get open is Dennis Pitta. He's just got that knack for knowing how to separate and get open and split the zone coverage.

Now that Marty has the offense for the entire off season let's see just how different this offense looks with him running his own playbook. I better see some drastic changes otherwise we're gonna have a bunch of people on here asking why in the world we kept him if we are going to see more of the same of last year.

I never had a problem with Torrey. He's a speed burner with decent hands, but he's not a superstar. In the right system he can put up numbers with the right QB. The best season Flacco ever had was with two not so great elite guys that were just burners in Torrey and Jacoby Jones. Sooner or later our guys need to learn that they just can't run and give up on a play simply because their initial route is covered, they need to work to get open. This has been a trend for numerous years and we've had the same receivers coach the whole time. Looking for a place to make a change?

What's our secondary gonna look like now that Frazier is gone? He came in here and immediately turned around a team that was last place in interceptions last season to a team near the tops in the league. I hope somebody was taking notes.

On 2/4/2017 at 6:17 PM, TheConquerorWorm said:

Funny how you take the fastest time for King but not for Jimmy. King runs consistently 4.5-4.6 (His slowest time was 4.63). Jimmy's fastest time was 4.32 (his slowest was 4.53). Jimmy actually ran a 4.49 at the combine, we'll see what King runs.

But 40 times are not a good measure for CB & cover-ability - look at the 20 yard shuttle & 3 cone drills. Marcus Peters had a 7.03 3-cone and a 4.08 20 yard shuttle (really good numbers). Jimmy Smith had a 6.93 3-cone and a 4.06 20 yard shuttle. These are the numbers the Ravens use more so than 40 times. Case in point - Tavon was the fastest CB in 20 yard shuttle (12th in 3 cone) last year. Canady & Chris Moore also were near the top.

King would make a great coverage Safety which is why I said he would be a good fit for the Ravens. He might make a decent CB in the right system but I wouldn't put him on an island and I sure wouldn't trade back up into the 1st Round to draft him....but I'm also not the All-Universe GM/Scout/HC like SD. Dance for me!

Then there's the fact that Jimmy is also 6'2'' and 210lbs and plays "big." It took him some time to hit is stride and once he did he was playing like a #1 CB before the foot issue. He's never really been the same since and now he keeps getting hurt.

If I am drafting a CB in the first round, I don't want any questions or concerns about him. I don't want to have to wonder if he's tall enough or fast enough. If King as 6'1 or 6'2'' like Smith than maybe you can overlook a little down tick in speed.

20 hours ago, BMoreDuck said:

Rather roll the dice(and pay the price) with Terrele Pryor than go for an over-the-hill, headcase in Marshall. Pryor will have a hefty price tag, but the guy had 1000 yd season as a first year receiver with garbage QBs throwing to him. Throw in that he has great size, decent speed and he is in his prime. I think he is worth the price tag if the FO has the money to spend(which I have no clue if they do.) Anyone know what range Pryor will be asking? I think he is a star in the making and he would be a long term solution for Joe. Maybe it's about time to try and get a young, long term answer for Joe.

You don't want a headcase like Marshall.....but you want Pryor? You do know that he's not exactly sunshine and rainbows himself?

I don't recall Marshall having issues in Denver, but in Chicago he had some issues with Jay Cutler....as did the whole team. Cutler was the problem on that team.

I don't remember him being much of a problem with the Jets either. He had some good years with some terrible QB's and this past year Fitzpatrick returned to Earth and they had absolutely nothing else behind him. Still, I don't remember him really complaining about anything, probably because he was part of the player group that was begging for the team to bring Fitzpatrick back.

As long as you keep him happy and win, he produces. Because we'll need him in order to win, he'll have all the chances in the world to produce.

On 2/5/2017 at 0:00 PM, terrynjulia03 said:

Torrey crested 1000 yards ONCE in his 4 years here and has been a disaster for the niners. Nah for the money I'll keep Wallace. Lol

Let's compare some things here.

Wallace had his best seasons when he had QB's with strong arms; Ben Roethilisberger and Joe Flacco. Between those two he had some pretty mediocre seasons in Minnesota with Teddy Bridgewater and in Miami with Ryan Tannehill.

Take a look at what Torrey had in San Francisco. He's had to deal with the flip-flopping of Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert. No receiver has had a good season with that travesty of a team in the past two seasons. And if you didn't know he missed 4 games this year because he went up and fought for a ball that was overthrown and during the tussle with the DB Torrey landed hard right on his head and was lights out for quite a while on the turf. He had a concussion but no other injury supposedly. So hopefully he's well enough to even come back to play next season and if so, it will be interesting to see what his market is after one meh kind of season and then a disastrous one like last year. Obviously if the Niners cut him they don't think he's worth what they are currently paying him.

Right player, right price. I think this move only happens if the Ravens make a move for Brandon Marshall if he becomes available. I also thought bringing back Boldin might be nice, but he's apparently thinking about retirement and apparently only wants to go back to Detroit.

On 2/4/2017 at 5:45 AM, Halshayeji said:

we both know that theres like 1% of a chance of that happening. But heck if it does then il be the first to celebrate and give you all the credit in the world. When it comes to Wallace. It would really be dumb to just cut him. Hes coming off a 1K yard season and whatever team gets him only has to pay 5.75 mil of his salary. So if we do part ways with Wallace then trade him dont just cut him.

That's not how contracts work in the NFL. If the Ravens cut him they only owe him whatever the guaranteed money was. Chances are he got that in his first year. Once he's cut he's an unrestricted free agent and he is free to sign with any team for whatever contract he can get.

What you are describing is closer to a baseball contract. If a team cuts a player (and this usually happens with very expensive players in their final contract year) the original team owes him the entire contract minus whatever the major league minimum is for that season. The team that signs this player pays the major league minimum salary part which is also pro-rated for the amount of games left in the season when he joins his new team. So, say player A is making 15 million in his last season and he's doing horribly and is blocking an up and coming youngster. You cut him. Team Q signs him and only has to pay him the $250,000 major league minimum salary. It seems pretty crazy that any team would do this, but it actually happens pretty often in MLB.

I just read this on Pro Football Rumors as well and I can't believe the Ravens would have been stupid enough to do that trade. The last time somebody traded their entire draft to get one player was Mike Ditka of then the Saints to get Ricky Williams. That move set that franchise back for years and cost Mike Ditka his career.

I think Matt Ryan is a good QB. He probably would have done pretty well in Baltimore given all the same pieces. The Ravens got Ray Rice in the second round in that same draft and some names that are easy to forget because they never amounted to much. They did add Tom Zbikowski and Haruki Nakamura who were very good back up safeties and special team players for us for a number of years.

Expensive linemen walking from the Ravens after their rookie contracts run out is nothing new. Just off the top of my head there was Micheal Oher who could have been a serviceable RT, Ben Grubbs who went on to become a Pro Bowl LG, and Jason Brown C who was a very good center for many years. Of course KO left last season as well. You can't spend 60-70 million on 5 offensive linemen so you will have perhaps 3 anchors and the others will all be rotational guys.

Our anchors right now are Yanda and Stanley; if Stanley pans out to be everything he looks like he will be, the Ravens will keep him in Baltimore. You don't let franchise LT's walk.

On 2/5/2017 at 2:21 AM, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Stanley was a home run hit, not just a step in the right direction. It is too early to say what his ceiling will be, but as far as his play and consistency through his rookie season, it is easy to see him as a more than adequate LT for many seasons. IMHO he will earn some Pro Bowl recognition in time as he has the talent and ability and good leadership from Yanda who is a model of hard work and consistency.

K.C. has not been given enough action for anyone to have a fair assessment of his skills. The fact they moved him to a new position takes time to learn, to adjust, and to adapt your instincts. It was unfortunate, in the fact K.C. did not see as much action. Given the recent news that Zachary Orr had to retire, it could very well pay dividends this next season. Even if they draft another LB having one that has experience in the system and is ready to step in is huge.

Kaufusi, I am optimistic about. I'm not expecting much as this point and will hopefully be pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't even have an idea of what to expect. I mean here is a player that most people had not heard off, but at least from size perspective looks to be disruptive. Back problems can be pretty serious so hopefully he is fully healed and ready for camp with no setbacks.

I am not cracking on any of these players so I am not really sure why you are responding to me in a way to try to defend these people. I didn't even mention Stanley because it was pretty much a given the Ravens would be going after Tunsil or Stanley in the first round. Correa and Kafusi were small school guys that nobody heard of. I believe the Ravens were trying to show how "cute" they can be by finding diamonds in the rough. Thing is, you do that in the late rounds, you don't do that with your first three picks because those guys are at the very least supposed to be starters on your team.

Kaufusi is tall, but lean in the legs and I thought he broke one of his legs, not a back injury? The knock on him is that he lacks power specifically because his legs are not strong enough.

18 hours ago, The Greek said:

skura would need to put on some weight. he is listed at 294. birk was 315 and travis frederick from dallas is 318. zuttah is 305 but it shows against good nose tackles when he gets pushed back. zuttah is serviceable but i agree that we need to find his replacement soon

According to this site:

Zuttah: 6'4'' 300lbs

Skura: 6'3'' 305lbs.

According to Pro Football Reference:

Zuttah: 6'4'' 303lbs.

Skura: 6'3'' 305lbs.

On 2/3/2017 at 10:50 PM, OzzieBisciotti said:

Too bad we don't know how to draft any good safeties- just like we don't know how to draft good corners and good WR (except for Torrey who is gone now)

They know how to draft "good" WR's, just not in the right rounds. Travis Taylor was a "good" WR, but just not a 1st rounder. Mark Clayton I think would have been a very good WR had it not been for his injuries. He put up some good numbers.

We drafted Chris McAlister and Jimmy Smith at CB. Tavon Young who people were high on this season was a draft pick.