EdTheMythicalOne

According to Jason La Canfora this is something that is a potential match. Jefferson is most likely not going to get a contract offer from the Cardinals as he will be one of the top safeties on the market. He also will only be 25, but will be probably one of the more sought after players at his position since he's so young. I am not sure what evidence La Canfora has because the article I see a link to doesn't really mention anything other than just pure speculation. The Ravens want to get younger at safety, Tony Jefferson is young. Looks like a tackling machine to me that could help out around the LOS and help on run plays and can blitz from time to time, but I wonder what his coverage skills are like. In four NFL season he only has two interceptions and they both came in 2015. What do you all think?

You do realize that around the rest of the world what we call Soccer everyone else calls Football?

I also think the value of the pick is how long of a successful career they had in the NFL. If you drafted a guy that hangs around the NFL for a decade and isn't a special teamer, even if he only played 4-5 seasons with your team, that was still a good pick because his longevity in the league proves you drafted a real player. I even think guys that didn't necessarily have their best performance until after the Ravens let them go are still good picks. There are times when players on the Ravens don't get to play much because of who is ahead of them. Torrey was all about the salary and the situation the Ravens were in. Had they had the money they perhaps would have kept him. Paul Kruger was a bust and I wasn't sad to see him go at all. He cashed in big with the Browns and had only one good season for them and he stunk up the joint in New Orleans as well. I liked Jarret Johnson a lot, but it was time for him to move on. He was at the end of his career and had little left in the tank at that point. I think he had 1 or 2 decent seasons with San Diego. But, like I said earlier, a lot of these guys who cashed in on long term big money second contracts did not live up to them which was mostly due to injuries.

Glad to see a lot of good discussion here in this thread. The guys drafted within the last couple of seasons I think it is too soon to write a book on them about what they are or are not. We need to see a healthy Maxx Williams again to see if he's what the Ravens thought he was. He showed flashes in his rookie season. Both KC and Kafusi got injured as well so we weren't able to see how they could contribute. They all have question marks, most draft picks do. I agree that KC will probably be rotated around the linebacker spots, but in order for him not to tip his hand that he's just a rusher from those spots, he has to be legitimately be able to play the responsibilities of those positions and show that he can drop in coverage or play against the run. Otherwise the defense knows whenever he's on the field at whatever position, he's the blitzer. I liked what I saw from Maxx before he got hurt. He was just starting to click with Joe and make some good plays. We've been seeing a lot of guys get hurt right after drafting them and they are all pretty much fluke injuries. Perriman hurt his knee while diving for a pass, he wasn't even tackled. Kaufusi had his leg rolled up on. KLM could never stay healthy and Brent Urban had some issues early on as well. I am looking forward to the draft as I am every season but I am not going to bite as hard on the hype train. It will also be interesting to see who the Ravens actually are able to keep and who walks in free agency. The good news is, last season is already behind us. Let's hope the team is well on the way to getting on the right track again.

For the same reason Matt Schaub might be getting a look. There are more teams out there than good QB's so any team that is desperate for arms would be interested in him. I am not saying he's got people salavating, but once teams take stock of what they've got and then realize who is out there on the market, Mallet will probably be one of the better ones out there that shouldn't cost a fortune to sign. The Browns are supposedly looking to bring in Jimmy Garapolo from New England. The QB draft class is supposed to not really be all that great...and the list of those FA QB's isn't exactly littered with amazing talent. Why not list all the ones available right now? All things are indicating that Kaperkneel will be out of SF and I think he'd probably be one of the top names available. That's saying something. I don't think the Jets are too confident about what they have in house and one thing Mallet always has had is a strong arm. I just think the talent base you have to start with is better than what most guys have, it is just getting in his head and keeping him focused. He's shown that he can win in this league which is more than what some other Qb's can claim.

In most of the cases the Ravens were right not to extend those players. Very few of the ones they let get away actually went on to be any good after.

Couple of things to echo here from other posters. It is true that sometimes great players have a hard time becoming great coaches or managers because what made them so great was a mix of God given talent, or a fanatical devotion to details which a lot of the players they interact with will not have and will have a hard time relating to. WHY can't they do what I do? WHY don't they study film like I did? WHY aren't they living in the gym? I don't know as much about Mike Singletary as I do about Ray Lewis simply because of the era and the fact that he played for Chicago. I know he was a beast on the field, but I don't know how much of a film buff he was or what kind of teammate he was. I think it showed in a couple of press conferences that he couldn't relate to some players. I am speaking of the one where he dropped his pants and mooned the press with boxer shorts on and the other one when speaking about what he thought of Vernon Davis, "Player like that....can't win with them.....can't do it." Ray was a team captain and essentially coached the defense on the field. He held his own personal film study sessions outside of what the coaches did and Ed Reed was also in the room with him all the time. As a player when his physical side started to diminish he willed this team to victories and it was his superior game knowledge that allowed him to play at a high level. As a motivational speaker I think he could fire up any defense or team he coached for. It is a dual edged sword though. Some players with the Ravens grew tired of his often sermon-like speeches and I'd have to think if he was coaching a losing team the players would get tired of hearing his at times rambling and nonsensical utterances. His time as an analyst never really took off which probably means that career is short-lived for him. If he wants to be close to football again after his children are all grown up, coaching will be his in. I do think it would be a mistake to hand him a franchise right off the bat, but I can certainly see him as a "guest" linebacker coach at first just like the Ravens did with Singletary. See how he does, see what impact he has, then move him up the chain from LB coach to DC, then possibly a head coach if that's what he wants to do. Knowing what I do about Ray, I would never bet against him to do anything he wants.

I looked over the complete second round history of this franchise and it is I'd say roughly 50/50 whether we get a gem or a bust and that doesn't refer to recent history. It has been that way for the entire length of this franchise. I think the issue is that the more recent moves are obviously the more easily remembered ones and the busts sometimes overshadow the ones that turn into full time starters. Just within the last few seasons we've seen these results: 2010: The Kindle/Cody fiasco, but then we bounce back in 2011 and 2012 with Torrey Smith and Kelechi Osemele...two BIG pieces to our second superbowl. Then in 2013 you have the Arthur Brown bust, but then in 2014 we get Timmy Jernigan who kind of dazzles you at time with flashes of brilliance and then blows it with stupid plays/lack of production. We also got Maxx Williams in 2015 who showed when healthy he might be a player, followed by KC in 2016 who so far is not showing up well. I found myself thinking, "Hmm, maybe the Ravens would be better off just trading the 2nd round pick to trade up or get more picks later in the draft..." but then reversing myself when I see names like Ray Rice, Torrey Smith, and Kelechi Osemele.

In that season you are using to compare Boldin and Torrey I think you left out some important details. Targets: Boldin was targeted 111 times, catching 69 passes of his 789 yards with 4 TD's and a 11.4 YPR average which is not all that wonderful. Torrey was targeted 62 times catching 33 passes for 663 yards with 4 TD's and a 20.1 YPR average which is amazingly good. The only other receivers on the team with around 30 receptions had half the yardage of Torrey or less. Your point about Wallace having 3 1,000 yard seasons emphasizes my point. Two of them were with Ben, then there's a four season gap between his next one here in Baltimore with Joe. Torrey hasn't even played 7 seasons yet. I am all for adding Garcon to this roster if we can't get Marshall. I think he'd be a good fit and would help our offense quite a bit. He'd be a very good complimentary piece but I don't think that's what this team needs. We need a proven #1 and I don't see that guy on this roster yet. Marshall would definitely be that player.

I think giving up your entire draft for one player is well outside of the realm of reason. You are cashing in all of your chips on something you aren't sure of and you certainly can't afford to miss on a 1st round QB that is supposed to be the franchise holder. You are also giving up any chance of finding other talent to help your team succeed in that process and is a completely idiotic way to try to build a franchise. I can't believe Ditka did that move...and for a RB to boot. Even the revised picks that were in discussion in my opinion was too much for just one guy.

Gary Kubiak retired from the NFL due to stress and health reasons. He's not going to coach in the NFL any time soon. Maybe again in a few years after some rest and time away from the game, but I think we've seen the last of Gary in a coaching role in the NFL. Perhaps he can become a consultant front office type at some point. Chip Kelly has been a disaster of a HC and I don't think his offense works in the NFL anyway. I agree with you to some degree that the Ravens should have moved on from Marty, but the thought seems to be he was trying to run Trestman's offense to make it easier on the players and not having them trying to learn a new system in the middle of a season. That next season we're going to see his style of offense and it will be different. I guess it remains to be seen. If we see more of the same blunder headed play calling I am certain there will be a strong backlash from the fans and on this board. I will be leading the charge unless somebody beats me to it.

The Ravens got Mallet because he was released due to his mental flare ups and being a petulant jerk by missing team meetings and flights because he was angry about being benched. He needed a "make good" contract because nobody was going to trust their franchise to somebody that displays that level of maturity. He got exactly what he needed here in Baltimore. A full season of no ill reports and he displayed the ability to play on the field when he got them. He's earned some invites to teams that are desperately seeking arm options. The Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets are both legit possibilities in my mind since RGIII is no lock to stay and can't stay on the field and Geno Smith isn't setting the world on fire and Patrick Fitzryan finally reverted back to his unimpressive self.

He is demonstrating with his backlash comments to the voting committee and about the process why he's not already in. When he was in SF he trashed Jeff Garcia and destroyed that team. When he was in Philly he trashed McNabb and essentially blamed him for not winning the Super Bowl. I personally think TO is the genesis for all of these other diva receivers who celebrate their touchdowns like they are the most amazing thing in the universe. Totally makes it all about them. Meanwhile the only reason why you scored is because your linemen blocked, your QB saw you and fired off a great pass, and some coaches put a game plan together to get you open. Chad Johnson (I refuse to call him by his invented name...and therein lies his personality) was in the same mold and now you have Beckham with his antics. It seems as if TO hasn't leaned his lesson yet. He's made some comments that will be tough to walk back, but something like that from him will be needed before the Hall considers putting him in. He needs to come out and make a sincere apology because he's throwing all of the voters under the bus and can't seem to realize the reason why he's not in is because of HIM and not others. Like his former QB's, he's completely belittled and disrespected the very people that hold the keys to his enshrinement. Talk about stupid.

Matt Schaub is going to get a chance to be a starting QB again? Really? If that is actually true then by all means Ryan Mallet has a chance at being a starter again. There are plenty of teams out there that need QB's and he could be a relative cheap option that you bring in to camp and let battle out with some other arms. If he loses the starting role he could be the back up. I don't recall hearing any issues with Ryan and that's exactly what he needed to do. He needed to keep his nose clean and just do his job. The arm has always been there, it has always been about what's from the neck up. If Schaub can cure his pick six demons that would be cool, but I still can't believe what I watched when he played for the Ravens...knowing this was a continuing trend from his last season in Houston.

The last time we gave up two high picks for a QB was Kyle Boller. Yikes. I am glad this was a deal that never got made. If it would have been a 1st and a 3rd or 4th that would have been okay, but not a first and a second and then another second in the next year, that's just way too much. Part of the reason the Ravens were so high on Flacco is that he played at Delaware which has pretty much the same weather as Baltimore does in the winter. When they went to scout him it was a rainy, cold, blustery day and Flacco's ball was pretty much unaffected. This showed that he could play in our elements. Who knows, if we would have gotten Ryan than perhaps we never see that second Super Bowl trophy? I think Ryan is a good QB, but who knows what the team would have been like around him. In some alternate universe out there, Matt Ryan is the starting QB for the Ravens...would be fun to take a peak.

I don't think any of the Ravens fit the system and that's been the problem with the team since they tried to move away from the smash mouth run game based offense. They tried to make Flacco be the focal point of the offense by having him pass more and show off that arm, but I don't think they understand what he does best. He's not a fit in this current version of the West Coast offense. None of our receivers seem to get open. The only consistent (sort of due to missing time with injuries) person on the team who can always get open is Dennis Pitta. He's just got that knack for knowing how to separate and get open and split the zone coverage. Now that Marty has the offense for the entire off season let's see just how different this offense looks with him running his own playbook. I better see some drastic changes otherwise we're gonna have a bunch of people on here asking why in the world we kept him if we are going to see more of the same of last year. I never had a problem with Torrey. He's a speed burner with decent hands, but he's not a superstar. In the right system he can put up numbers with the right QB. The best season Flacco ever had was with two not so great elite guys that were just burners in Torrey and Jacoby Jones. Sooner or later our guys need to learn that they just can't run and give up on a play simply because their initial route is covered, they need to work to get open. This has been a trend for numerous years and we've had the same receivers coach the whole time. Looking for a place to make a change? What's our secondary gonna look like now that Frazier is gone? He came in here and immediately turned around a team that was last place in interceptions last season to a team near the tops in the league. I hope somebody was taking notes.

Then there's the fact that Jimmy is also 6'2'' and 210lbs and plays "big." It took him some time to hit is stride and once he did he was playing like a #1 CB before the foot issue. He's never really been the same since and now he keeps getting hurt. If I am drafting a CB in the first round, I don't want any questions or concerns about him. I don't want to have to wonder if he's tall enough or fast enough. If King as 6'1 or 6'2'' like Smith than maybe you can overlook a little down tick in speed.

You don't want a headcase like Marshall.....but you want Pryor? You do know that he's not exactly sunshine and rainbows himself? I don't recall Marshall having issues in Denver, but in Chicago he had some issues with Jay Cutler....as did the whole team. Cutler was the problem on that team. I don't remember him being much of a problem with the Jets either. He had some good years with some terrible QB's and this past year Fitzpatrick returned to Earth and they had absolutely nothing else behind him. Still, I don't remember him really complaining about anything, probably because he was part of the player group that was begging for the team to bring Fitzpatrick back. As long as you keep him happy and win, he produces. Because we'll need him in order to win, he'll have all the chances in the world to produce.

Let's compare some things here. Wallace had his best seasons when he had QB's with strong arms; Ben Roethilisberger and Joe Flacco. Between those two he had some pretty mediocre seasons in Minnesota with Teddy Bridgewater and in Miami with Ryan Tannehill. Take a look at what Torrey had in San Francisco. He's had to deal with the flip-flopping of Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert. No receiver has had a good season with that travesty of a team in the past two seasons. And if you didn't know he missed 4 games this year because he went up and fought for a ball that was overthrown and during the tussle with the DB Torrey landed hard right on his head and was lights out for quite a while on the turf. He had a concussion but no other injury supposedly. So hopefully he's well enough to even come back to play next season and if so, it will be interesting to see what his market is after one meh kind of season and then a disastrous one like last year. Obviously if the Niners cut him they don't think he's worth what they are currently paying him. Right player, right price. I think this move only happens if the Ravens make a move for Brandon Marshall if he becomes available. I also thought bringing back Boldin might be nice, but he's apparently thinking about retirement and apparently only wants to go back to Detroit.

That's not how contracts work in the NFL. If the Ravens cut him they only owe him whatever the guaranteed money was. Chances are he got that in his first year. Once he's cut he's an unrestricted free agent and he is free to sign with any team for whatever contract he can get. What you are describing is closer to a baseball contract. If a team cuts a player (and this usually happens with very expensive players in their final contract year) the original team owes him the entire contract minus whatever the major league minimum is for that season. The team that signs this player pays the major league minimum salary part which is also pro-rated for the amount of games left in the season when he joins his new team. So, say player A is making 15 million in his last season and he's doing horribly and is blocking an up and coming youngster. You cut him. Team Q signs him and only has to pay him the $250,000 major league minimum salary. It seems pretty crazy that any team would do this, but it actually happens pretty often in MLB.

I just read this on Pro Football Rumors as well and I can't believe the Ravens would have been stupid enough to do that trade. The last time somebody traded their entire draft to get one player was Mike Ditka of then the Saints to get Ricky Williams. That move set that franchise back for years and cost Mike Ditka his career. I think Matt Ryan is a good QB. He probably would have done pretty well in Baltimore given all the same pieces. The Ravens got Ray Rice in the second round in that same draft and some names that are easy to forget because they never amounted to much. They did add Tom Zbikowski and Haruki Nakamura who were very good back up safeties and special team players for us for a number of years.

Expensive linemen walking from the Ravens after their rookie contracts run out is nothing new. Just off the top of my head there was Micheal Oher who could have been a serviceable RT, Ben Grubbs who went on to become a Pro Bowl LG, and Jason Brown C who was a very good center for many years. Of course KO left last season as well. You can't spend 60-70 million on 5 offensive linemen so you will have perhaps 3 anchors and the others will all be rotational guys. Our anchors right now are Yanda and Stanley; if Stanley pans out to be everything he looks like he will be, the Ravens will keep him in Baltimore. You don't let franchise LT's walk.

I am not cracking on any of these players so I am not really sure why you are responding to me in a way to try to defend these people. I didn't even mention Stanley because it was pretty much a given the Ravens would be going after Tunsil or Stanley in the first round. Correa and Kafusi were small school guys that nobody heard of. I believe the Ravens were trying to show how "cute" they can be by finding diamonds in the rough. Thing is, you do that in the late rounds, you don't do that with your first three picks because those guys are at the very least supposed to be starters on your team. Kaufusi is tall, but lean in the legs and I thought he broke one of his legs, not a back injury? The knock on him is that he lacks power specifically because his legs are not strong enough.

According to this site: Zuttah: 6'4'' 300lbs Skura: 6'3'' 305lbs. According to Pro Football Reference: Zuttah: 6'4'' 303lbs. Skura: 6'3'' 305lbs.

They know how to draft "good" WR's, just not in the right rounds. Travis Taylor was a "good" WR, but just not a 1st rounder. Mark Clayton I think would have been a very good WR had it not been for his injuries. He put up some good numbers. We drafted Chris McAlister and Jimmy Smith at CB. Tavon Young who people were high on this season was a draft pick.