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14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea,  but I don't see anyone who fits that bill.  I am a fan of bringing in Garcon.  I wanted Crabtree.  

Yeah Crabtree has performed well since going to the raiders - he had some questions when he went there - he does fit that mould.

Yeah nobody else's really fitting that mould - Jeffrey, not keen with age, cost

don't really follow college so not sure if there's anybody in that mould there

i don't really want to wait anymore time for people to develop either on the offensive side of the ball

read it here before but think garçon is to similar to what we already have

I'm very conscious of Flaccos window

with manning gone and Brady surely not far behind - the AFC is ripe for us to take over - Carr, Smith, Big Ben

we have the d 

I just want Boldin 2.0

need Redzone targets, multiple

i want somebody we can just say yep at 5 or the 6 - u go out there on your own and we'll just throw u a jump ball and have that be successful 70% of the time

ie Bryant or Gronk

how many big catches did Boldin make on our Super Bowl run, big 3rd downs, TDs - need that guy

why I want Pryor, 6'4 plays big, quick

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

To be clear,  I wasn't saying your wrong,  I was disagreeing.  You csnt be right or wrong in this scenario because we don't know how it turns out if we kept KO

Pretty much my point - people say you're wrong because you're making these assumptions, then use their assumptions to try to reinforce their point

Like only my assumptions can be right - your assumptions are wrong, so so wrong hahaha

anyhow - I still want a big target to stick with our burners

9 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Too easy to do in hindsight.

But, no way to plan your offseason around a 4th round rookie CB taking starter snaps on the outside. Guys like Wright and Powers seemed like musts. And Powers is performing a key role for us now. Our pass D is no where near as good as it is right now if say Wright or Canady is having to play significant snaps.

Plus not making certain FA additions probably changes what  we do in the draft to a degree, and maybe we dont come out with Dixon, Tavon (we take a CB higher bc its a need, and wind up with a lesser talent using a higher pick), Judon, Lewis, etc... No way to say that if we dont make the same FA moves, that we definitely make the same draft picks. So, the assumptions made are flawed.

You're also undervaluing the role that Kubiak played in the run games success in 2014. Largely the same line early in 2015 wasnt doing so hot. We had the line you're talking about in 2015 and the offense wasnt ok with just the weapons you're suggesting we role with in 2016.

Wallace is KEY. Perriman wasnt ready to start the season, and i dont htink theres any way we get off to the 3-0 start if we're counting on Perriman, Moore and Aiken to play huge roles. Wallace carried our passing game through that stretch.

 

I just dont get how the same line from 2015 is magically in 2016 going to make an offensive juggernaut out of less experienced playmakers.

Hahaha it's all assumptions - so my assumptions are flawed but yours are airtight.

Love how everybody is so quick to say you're wrong, what are you thinking and then give a million reasons why said person is wrong.

Million ways to skin a cat, things can always play out differently - simply giving some scenarios in which we kept KO and how we could make it work and what we might look like.

Pretty sure Monroe barely played in 2015, plus Smith went down early, so there's that

yes Kubs is responsible for a lot, maybe we get rid of trestman in the offseason, maybe it plays out similar

maybe we trade up and get Ramsey and play him opposite jimmy, grab a receiver in the second, grab Lewis in the fourth, prob don't grab Moore, still get Dixon n young to play the slot

one thing is certain we needed Weddle, not arguing or saying we could have done that any differently

think we could have worked around not having Wallace. 

Anyway we got who we got and we let others walk and here we are 

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Not quite you understand how the cap works.  And keeping KO doesnt mean Twest, Forsett, Dixon turn into a elite RB.  Yes, Dallas' line helps Elliot, obviously, but he would still be a great RB anywhere he goes.  If you think We would be fine without Weddle and Wallace, i have no clue what team you have been watching. 

I understand how the cap works bud.

Im sure we could retain KO and squeeze Weddle in

we don't go out and get WALLACE and Watson, Hester, Powers, Ducasse and maybe we pass on signing Shareece wright and we might have gotten rid of - Arrington & Lewis a year earlier

i would be fine with this - most of those guys are gone next year 

we added a heap of pieces that outside of Weddle n Wallace haven't done a great deal 

We run safety - Weddle, Webb, Elam, Brooks

Corners - Jimmy, Canady, Young, price - prob would have spent a second or 3rd to add to this group

If we had a line of Stanley, KO, Zuttah, Yanda & Wagner - I don't think missing out on Mike Wallace would be a huge issue.

I think we'd look more like 2014 when we sent a journeyman in Forsett to the probowl.

Again I think we'd be ok with Smith, Perriman, Moore and Aiken if our oline was stacking up

our 2014 season we had smith, Aiken, torrey, jacoby, Daniels, Gilmore - that line sent Forsett to the probowl, i think a Dixon & West combo would Be pretty successful 

also think Zuttah would prob be playing at a higher level and we'd be looking for a tackle to replace Wagner in the draft and then a centre the following year

the line has been one of our bigger issues this year, fair bit to do with health but if we'd kept KO it would probably be one of our greatest strengths - we'd control clock running and then you can't run on us

one guy who epitomised Ravens football too

anyway he's gone now

10 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Right player, right price.  If we were the raiders were we had 60mill in cap space then sure why not.  If we would of kept KO that means no Weddle and no Wallace.  When Stanley has played, our line looks decent and will continue to develop.  Not too many people here were aboard giving KO 13mill, because look at the holes it creates elsewhere.  Next year I expect our line to look even better.  You have to use context when talking about things, its like saying why didn't you buy a Ferrari as your first car...because you didn't have the money, obviously. 

Ah, I wasn't aware he was on record saying that, then I guess that settles that. 

Last year I was trying to predict that Garcon was going to be cut but I was wrong, obviously, he is a FA this year. 

Aiken will be a FA and sportrac apparently has a Market Value calculator, don't know how long that's been around, has aiken at 6.5mill

Michael Floyd

Robert Woods

Brandon Lafell

Desean Jackson, but I think we all agree he wont fit in here

There isn't too many WRs that look like they bring instant production in FA right now, most likely have to wait for some veteran cuts

 

If we paid KO, I don't think we need to worry about Watson & Wallace. I think we could look like Dsllas just playing a power run game behind our monster Oline, controlling clock - we play Perriman & Moore on the outside and Smith, Aiken in the slot.

Run the ball down your throat all game long, put men in the box - start taking deep shots. 

Still grab Weddle.

Have to give Harbs some credit here too - I feel.

Wouldnt have been a stretch to fire Pees last year and say we're looking to go in a different direction.

He stuck by his man and our defense is balling this year.

That said - we know he's not shy to pull the trigger when he feels he has to

28 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Okay, enough testing of the filter in a football thread.  Back on topic, please.

You mods do such a good job, they could use you over at the Patriots forum - going to town on each other over there, no filters, no nothing

Back on topic - the analogy that we don't get Dixon if we don't take Correa makes this pick a lot easier to swallow.

Have to give this thread a bump, 

has pees been better or is it just the tools or should Frazier get some credit

Secondary, when Jimmys healthy has been hugely improved.

When Jommy has been healthy - I can't remember the last big play we gave up 

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

And if you want to pay a guard 13mill a year,  good luck signing your 10+ mill wrs

Well what do u want?? 

U want to pay the guys to give him the time or u want to pay the guys to throw it to??

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Time= Time in the pocket. Offensive Line. Blocking, etc....

Yeah my bad, replied n then I got what you were saying

we had a stud guard and we let him walk 

somebody's going to get the money just going to be a question of who n how much

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Give Joe time and you see what he can do.  Teams who value WRs over the non-sexy picks go nowhere.

Give him time???

to do what??

We're not waiting for him to develop - we know what we have and who he is

i don't want to waste anymore of his time - we just wasted the last 3 years 

how long as Flacco got, we don't know what's on the other side of that

lets give the man weapons and see if we can Super Bowls plural - AFC is ripe for a dynasty - Brady's nearly done, Carr and the raiders are the next best

ozzie knows how to fill out a roster on the cheap, let's roll the dice

weve been giving big money to guys like Webb & Monroe how's that worked out?

I say stop splitting hairs over a few million. 

We skimped on Boldin and it bit us

Weve got a solid D, we're going to need to pay some guys but we can add to that group in the draft

If we bring in Pryor, we look to replace Wallace through the draft in the next couple years 

Yards wise pryor is sitting behind the top tier - jones, Hilton, evans Beckham, brown, cooper, on the year and he's doing that in Cleveland

unless you're picking top 10 and even then - getting guys of that calibre - you don't often get the chance 

Pony up, get the man in and give Joe a big target he can throw to through hopefully his prime years - being these next 2 or 3 years

36 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Flacco was great. Offense clearly determined not to let up at any point. Flacco was very decisive...very accurate and wholly involved. 

Webb with terrific interception.

 

Our tackles.....Stanley was good...this guy is legit but Wagner was even better. 

Puzzled as to how on God's blue earth it was that Miami won six straight games.....an awful and disorganized secondary. May as well have been ten guys out there

Not sure why dolphin defenders celebrate a big hit after giving up ten yards for a first down while all the while being down three scores.

Can't turn the ball over in opposition red zone and expect to win most weeks.

Like to see the run game be something we can use to put teams away post season.

Noticed that too and thought it was ridiculous

One Ugly - can be easily taken care of and should be, totally unnecessary and it's coming from some of our supposed leaders. 

The personal fouls, taunting, hands to the face. 

Jernigan with the taunting and Steve Smith last week with the personal foul and this week with the hands to the face - we just need to be smart - play hard within the rules, between the whistles.

Steve Smith tough guy act can wear a little thin if he's picking up penalties every week

The good - the interceptions - soooo refreshing to see ball hawking secondary play after all the emphasise on turnovers.

Our unit may not be spoken of in the upper tiers but when Jimmys out there - its dangerous.

We've added some pieces and shuffled stuff around but I wonder how much adding Leslie Frazier has made a difference - not seeing his name much these days.

30 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And the thing is we didn't have to commit to the run to be effective. We still put up over 120 yds rushing on over 6 YPC with limited attempts. 

We did today what Brady and the Pats did for years to supplement the run game... the short, quick hitting screen game. 

Those quick designed dump offs worked like a charm. And it gets our guys to the second level before contact. Dixon in space is a beast. 

And once the passing game was going the run was wide open when we used it. So we don't have to commit to 25-30 carries to establish the run so long as we hit on the screen game and pick up first downs passing. 

Id much rather a highly efficient run game like we had today than to force 25 carries for the sake of balance. 

Space and Pace

with our oline we can't force the run but if we space n pace it will be there and it'll be a lot more dynamic and effective 

it's painful watching west fight for a yard or 2 when we try and force it, luckily we overcame those situations today

18 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Boyle > Crockett. Better route runner and hands. Hope we continue to get him more involved in the offense. 

Think Boyles impact is under appreciated.

His blocking is helping with the run game and in pass protection - freeing Pitta up to be the pass catching tight end he is.

The future looks like Maxx & Boyle 

Well that was a lot better.

Need to stick with uptempo, spread Offense.

Really think our key to success is to establish our short quick passing game first and then work from there.

it would be nice to come out and just pound the rock but it seems pretty obvious our best chance for success is to come out up tempo, spread teams out, establish our rhythm, let Joe get in a rythym and everything else seemed to open up from there.

We clearly are a pass first team, can't really argue with the results we saw today - when was the last time we had nearly 500 yards of Offense - I think this is what everybody envisaged when we looked at all our weapons on paper

Man Tannehill is dumb

I don't think we're about to over power anybody with our offensive line and establish the run game by sheer will and force - as much as we pride ourselves on that power trench type game.

Also contributing to so many holding penalties - I think our line has and is just overmatched - starting with Zuttah, Yandas got one good arm, Stanleys a rookie -how many penalties does he have on the year, Ducasse and Wagner have been serviceable but we're not steamrolling anybody.

Everytime we seem to break off a decent run its called back.

Spread teams out, 3 n 4 receiver sets, we've got the personnel, go no huddle, get the quick, short passing game going to Wallace and Smith, pick up the pace, run out of the multiple receiver spread formations.

Rewatching the Pitt game, with our full strength oline 50 rushing yards on 30 attempts.

We come out against Cinci, go no huddle, spread them out, no huge passing plays, just a couple quick sharp strikes to smith, Aiken and a couple passes to Dixon in space - makes guys miss picks up chunks, few nice runs for Dixon, bouncing to the outside space, then we take a shot at the end zone = Perriman TD - no penalties on the drive

Then We come back out with the huddle start trying to power run, go away from spreading cinci out and we just bog down.

think this approach would def help against Miami and their front

100% - AFC is wide open.

Pats losing Gronk and sending off their best defenders leaves them ripe for the picking in my eyes

also having enjoyed some success in the post season may give us a small edge over the other teams in the mix

5 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's pretty annoying that some around here cry that we don't draft enough playmakers and too often fall on safe picks with limited ceiling, but when we actually take a chance on a potential playmaker people aren't willing to give them more than half a season to prove themselves. Instant playmakers are not a dime a dozen, a few instant playmakers can be found in the high first but after that it's a total crapshoot. After that you take raw guys with playmaking potential, which is what we've done with Perriman and Correa, neither of which have had a full season and people are already whining that he hasn't done anything yet when neither are getting significant snaps, Correa isn't getting any snaps at all. I realize those that complain the most are the Einsteins among us that have never missed a draft pick - interesting though that Art Brown and Terrence Brooks were widely celebrated picks - but us mere mortals that have missed on plenty of players before realize some players take time, certainly more than 11 games of barely seeing action.

There were soooo many playmakers to be had, I really don't think KC falls into that bracket.

We spent a high second on a OLB we want to play inside. We got an undrafted guy holding it down just fine. 

Spend high picks on skill positions, the oline, the secondary

I remember in the preseason press fluff - whoever the chick is who covered the team described KC as the Tasmanian Devil - just running around like a crazy thing - it was highlighted as a good thing at the time, I'm not so sure the guys a natural baller more an athlete.

If we were sitting here waiting on Jack to get it together or waiting for Jaylon Smith - I'd class them as potential playmakers and I'd have patience, this just seems like a wasted high second round pick

Hopefully KC shows something on the outside or we can scheme him into our game plan otherwise I can see him riding pine again next year - Orr isn't going anywhere, we draft pass rush, he'll be further down in that pecking order, not that he showed anything in that regard - where or how exactly is he getting on the field - barring injury to Mosley or Orr?

Maybe in 2 or 3 years he'll start getting a look smh.