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Well this all turned into a big stinking pile of poo

15 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Denver didn't really have much of an impressive offense and Seattle certainly didn't either. The Broncos got under 200 yards of passing offense in SB50. They both ran the ball really well but when they both won it all neither had a passing attack to brag about. I think the Ravens can manage points but there could be times where the offense underwhelms. I think the team is banking on Flacco and Perriman to at least make this a top 15 offense. I don't think the Ravens need to have a top 5 offense, if they're at the 15-10 range they will be a very good team. I think they certainly need to add a receiver and they will. 

Denver had sanders, Demaryious Thomas, Owen Daniels and Vernon Davis even if he was a shadow of himself along with a running game and Kubiak

Seahawks had a pro bowl running back, harvin, Baldwin, Tate, a qb who could make plays with his feet

I think people overlook the offensive facet of those teams.

Still need some semblance of an offense

think if we make playoffs fo n coaching staff get a pass, we load up for the following year

24 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think I'll agree with Jeff here, I think the Ravens are certainly going to add a WR. I definitely understand the frustration with the lack of action on offense, but do you guys remember how the Patriots completely broke out "#1 Ranked Defense" down? We can't go into NE with that same unit and expect to win. I think this unit can certainly hold it down, just need the offense to put up, which seems hard to put your money on. 

Our offense couldn't keep our defense off the field - doesn't matter how good your defense is if it's b2b with a 3 and out offense - it will eventually tire.

Talk of Denver and Seahawk like D, both those sides still had weapons and offensive identity.

well only need an average offense to be able to compete with our new look d, but will we be mired In the bottom third of the league offensively??

this season could be painful to watch from an offensive stand point.

Wonder who our return man is going to be too - woodhead return?

Our defense held up reasonably well, our offense just couldn't sustain drives or get into the red zone

we havent done anything to change that other than the addition of woodhead 

im just being a realist, our offense struggled last season and so far it's a year older with a few less pieces

im concerned

Please tell me why you're expecting any great departure from the team that put up 10 pts against the redskins at home

Is anybody else worried about our offense heading into next season??

we haven't added any significant pieces so far, we have lost some guys who were positive contributors last season.

im not seeing any reason to be overly optimistic 

A chance to pick up 5 guys in the top 100, particularly in a class that is deep in pass rush, cbs and has some nice linemen,receivers, backs, floating around in the 2/3 

i think it's an opportunity to really build on last years group and put 2 good drafts together and build a solid young foundation 

id hate to miss on another first round pick

IMO - we seem a bit away from grabbing a piece here or there and contending - I think we need to add another GROUP of top level guys just just to lift the level of talent across the board

Then we can get aggressive start trading up, making plays for FA

What are thoughts on trading out of the first if we could swap with, 49ers, bears, jags, jets for their 2nd n 3rd

End up with an early second, then our second.

Early 3rd, our 3rd, comp 3rd

I imagine KCs got an inside track on the vacancy created by Orrs retirement.

18 hours ago, Davesta said:

Anyone else annoyed with how coach harbaugh answers his questions? Maybe I'm just fed up lol

yep, just feels hollow and he doesnt seem to sure of himself - not exactly coming out on the front foot, seems defensive

On 1/6/2017 at 4:36 PM, GrimCoconut said:

I have been thinking about the whole character thing and our draft picks and I want to suggest something I don't think I've yet heard but one I think makes sense. People are quick to say this focus on character is a Harbaugh thing and that may very well be true but after thinking on it some I believe it may be more of a Bisciotti thing. The owner obviously wants to protect his team's image after the Ray Rice debacle and if you look at Harbaugh's comments like that one late hit out of bounds Jernigan delivered a year or two ago and Harbaugh said I wouldn't change that. I feel like if Harbaugh was petitioning for choir boys he'd have made that clear then and he is a master of Coach Speak 101 but looking at everything I think this good guy thing is a Steve Bisciotti deal more than anything else

may very well be, because at the end of the day who has more to lose if we have a repeat of ray rice - the club image, public perception hence biscotti and what his investment is worth or harbaugh who might bring a few bad boys in but gets results

11 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Not a good look for him this year to lose four straight after starting 3-0 then losing three our of his last four, I understand that it was against two tough opponents on the road but your backs are against the wall in a must win scenario. 

Yeah that 0 - 4 stretch was our downfall.

You just have to find a way, have some urgency, yes we had injuries but so does every team

If we coached and played like each one of those games would make or break our season, we might not be sitting here talking about next year and Harbs tenure

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

you're being very selective here - our 4th round O lineman has served time when we could have drafted all sorts of "choirboys" as you put it, in the same spot who would have been "safer" picks

also to say spence would have led the entire team in sacks is straight up insulting to suggs who got 8 on the season with one arm for half the year

as far as im aware the only guys who come off the draft board are DV cases and people who interview terribly

and yes of course offseason issues are going to affect draft stock - remember when everyone was high on randy gregory but didnt take him because of character issues - then he showed up early and everyone thought it was ok - and now he is literally banned for another whole year - so tell me how that pick worked out for dallas

i dont get the interview terribly bit - unless somebody just downright disrespectful or a complete nut job or just seems apathetic

these guys are football players, not looking for ceos, sales manager, engineers, not even checkout people

we just want guys who know where its at when its time to play ball

some people dont interview well, might get nervous, not be that well spoken, have trouble comprehending questions - i can imagine its quite a daunting process having possibly up to 32 interviews in a short timeframe - having ones bad enough - no doubt its a room full of people too - not just one on one, owners, coaches, scouts, dang ive heard of priests being involved

57 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

of whom only matt elam was ever asked to start as a rookie...

Had holes, drafted with said holes in mind, that's who we got, what have they done? Start or not

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

my problem with your argument is this: we have no idea who the rookies we are bringing in are gonna be especially as ozzie doesnt draft for need - we might not bring in another rookie wr or a rookie centre etc. because that might not be where bpa falls

you always want contributions from your rookies of course but to assume a random rookie will start is nonsense - what position on this team is fully reliant on a rookie coming in and starting before they are ready - yes we'd like them to win jobs and improve the team but which position actually needs gap plugging by rookies just for the sake of their existence

gotta better things to do than converse with trolls, prob another alias but here we go again

not an argument, just making a comment that i felt we may reach for some guys or we may throw some guys in prematurely and it could hurt the team and the players development

please dont tell me we draft bpa and ozzie doesnt draft for need - we lose torrey draft breshad, lose reed draft elam, owen daniels leaves draft maxx, ray retires draft brown, how are all those picks working out for the ravens so far - browns gone, elam might be, maxx spent a season on IR, see how breshad turns out, half the reason we may be in this hole is because were drafting need and not bpa

when we have as many holes as we do - i think its fair to assume some rookies will get a look and again far to say we may reach for guys who fill a need - again I say - may, assume - im not saying this is definitive - its a possibility - what makes me think this?  the fact we just did it in 2016, as in start rookies or ask them to contribute and the fact we've done it previously - please see for examples - breshad perriman, maxx williams, arthur brown, terrence brooks, matt elam  

its a comment based on track record, we might plug every hole in FA and go flat out bpa

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

The difference between my hypothetical and yours is that in my world, we have no rookies, in your world we are throwing rookies into a starting role.  Im no brain scientist (anyone gets the reference ill be shocked) but as of right now, what i said is fact and what you said holds no grounds other than 'its possible'.  So is us signing Favre, or getting RG3 as a PR., I missed nothing other than someone reaching for something to complain about without facts.  Might as well complain about Tuckers misses PATs next year two because what you proposed hasnt happened....etc etc....

you're clearly no scientist or surgeon of any kind, just mouthing off making stupid comments, no way we need rookies or expect much from them (sounding a lot like mcjack too i must say - he was jabbering about no way we can find 2 or 3 starters in one offseason after we just added 6 or 7 in the season just gone)  

i just listed rookies or as good as, who were either asked to start - Stanley, Lewis 4th round pick, share a starting load - dixon, perriman or ended up taking on significant roles young, judon, moore  (of the 6 rookies listed - all except Stanley and Perriman are 4th round picks) all of whom had rookie moments

So given the holes on our team, the age of some key players and injury history others, i think, hypothetically - now look up and read all the rookies that just played a role on our team in 2016 - theres a good chance we will be asking rookies to come in and help straight away or at some stage through out the season and youre reply is saying some stupid rubbish about we might sign favre and rg3 - you're grasping at straws

one of these hypotheticals has some credence, youre just talking rubbish

42 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Maybe i missed something, but you know who we are already drafting? because we dont have any rookies on our team anymore.   

But lets say we draft a WR, you think one is going to beat out BP, Wallace, Moore?  I guess if we draft one in the first, Williams from Clemson is a beast

If we draft an OLB, who are they going to start over right now?  Are they starting over Suggs, Judon, Doom (if he is here)?

CB? you get my point

Maybe a rookie could start at center but we wont be using our first round on one, and maybe we get one in FA.  So unless you think we are cutting basically everyone in starting positions you listed, i have no clue how you came to those conclusions, but im all ears, maybe im not thinking outside the box

so there's a million things that can happen between now n the next season but my hypothetical is wrong and yours is right good one wally,

 Is it possible we look to start a rookie corner, rookie centre, add a rookie and expect them to contribute significantly to our group of OLBs, who knows what receivers we have next year - Wallace, Aiken could b gone, Smith is gone, talk of a possession receiver - could we draft one and expect them to contribute

we started a rookie LT, rookie LG, looked for big things from essentially a rookie WR, were clamouring for the return of our rookie RB, were dependent on our rookie CB by mid year, had a rookie returning kicks by year end and hoped a rookie would be able to help our pass rush - did I miss anybody?? Pretty sure you missed something

I feel personally 2017 will just be a repeat of this year - any players we bring in we'll be asking a lot of them.

Will we be throwing rookies straight in the fire - we could be looking at trying to start rookies at CB, C, OLB, WR and expecting them to hold up and help this team make the playoffs

I think our poor drafting will finally catch up to us, who do we have in the wings that can step in and help at positions of need - can guys like Correa, Davis, Henry, Canady come in and help

what are we looking for from guys like Buck Allen, Taliferro, Urban, Gilmore, Elam

we found 6 starters this year, prob looking at needing a similar number this year

bit worried this year could really set us back and we reach to fill needs in the draft and then throw guys straight in the fire and it's just a repeat of guys flaming out like Elam or getting injured because we're asking too much of them - Maxx, Gilmore, Kaufasi, Urban, Perriman- God knows Harbs will be pushing in camp

as much flack as oz has been copping lately - I think he's the saving grace here, wouldn't surprise me if he's stepped back from the top tier of the draft - where harbaugh has been getting his guys rounds 1-3 but in conjunction with the scouts Oz has more say or Harbs puts less time into the latter rounds, we still seem to be finding good talent in the latter rounds - Young, Lewis, Judon, Dixon

hes also been able to bring in help relatively cheaply when required, SSR, Wallace, Zuttah hasn't / doesn't blow the bank on anybody - hopefully Oz stands firm - we let Harbs pick his guys, coach his guys, with his coaches this season and when it's a repeat of the same we get somebody in here who isn't afraid of a bit of swag and nastiness and we get back to being a hard hitting, nasty team

Yanda back to RG and a new centre and we might be able to get something going - Ducasse and Zuttah were just turnstiles, Lets start by fixing the line

But if we don't add some height, size, strength to our receivers - I'm not expecting anything different, nobody getting open, a heap of close games and tucker will still be our best weapon 

enough with the munchkins and cast offs - get big, get strong and we might be able to start exploiting our speed

Otherwise we might be looking for for more than a new OC next year

going to need to take care of home, which looked to be getting back to, kind of, this season
prob still going to drop 1 or 2 between, cinci, detroit, colts, houston, pitt

dont know if we can go and pick up a few games on the road, past the browns or jags

looks like 8 and 8 to me

50 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

All I am saying is that if we miss playoffs in 17' there are no more excuses to give. Clean house. We have had talent, but then let it leave. We have had poor player development and terrible early picks in the draft. Pretty bad in game decision making and half time adjustments. Which that is directly related to coaching. Harbaugh has to get the job done and find a OC or we need a coach with an identity and commitment to winning. 

haha wonder if biscotti is looking at the 49ers though and not wanting to repeat their mistake

theyve unravelled since they let a harbaugh go

Bill o'briens name getting tossed about as on the hot seat if Texans struggle

Given what he's done with Texans, with poo qbs, time spent at NE 

definitely feasible here

13 hours ago, usmccharles said:

This must be sarcasm 

Clearly, but our resident NFL guru will always have something to add

Yep if Moore doesn't catch it, it's Joes fault, every dropped pass is Joes fault

thats the standard I'm setting