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pinning our hopes on 6th & 7th round picks is the reason we're still looking for a return and slot guy, Michael Campanaro, just need to spend some decent picks on it, sterling shepherd - available after our first trade back, Stefon Diggs - 5th rounder Jamison crowder - 4th, Tyler Lockett - did he have a 2 touchdown game against us? Guys that were just there for the taking No we're hoping reynolds a 6th round - converted qb will catch fire and be our guy or Campanaro will miracously go from mr glass to iron man - well we'll still be waiting for all that promise to play out, Hester will probably still be fumbling punts and Harbs will be looking for a new job

I'm not saying necessarily trade up to fill a need - I'm saying if they like somebody irrespective of need - don't be scared to go get that guy. i trust ozzies assessment in that instance we tried to move up for Ramsey - oz obviously saw something - look at Ramsey balling, make that move stick if oz makes a move to grab he's guy I'll live with it did we really need Mosley when we grabbed him? All hindsight anyway, just like to see us be more aggressive as opposed to we seem quite passive, trading back, stockpiling picks, playing it safe = quantity not sure about the quality

The injuries are a reflection of lack of talent which is a reflection of poor drafting when your best players are Steve smith, Suggs, dumervill, weddle - all old guys - don't be surprised when your talent is sitting why are they our best players? Because we haven't found or in Steve smiths case - even really tried to find their replacements or even peers to share the load

100% we tout that the more tickets we have in the lottery the more chance we have for success - bit i mean look at some of our picks - Robert Myers, gone, Keenan Reynolds, ps id like to see picks packaged up to manoeuvre up the board - I'd like to see oz be aggressive and go get his guy think we need to see were closer to being top 5 pick side than, than SB side - need to build that core with elite playmakers

I think we'll be picking above 20 this year - so in accordance with the theory being touted we should pick up another quality piece. if this is what oz needs to be successful - I'd much rather we package up picks to move up into that range and grab somebody we truly like than sit on our hands and see who's leftover for us to pick, which doesn't seem to be working great Would like the FO to say - ok who do we really like that's realistically in our range - lets work the board and get that guy - even if it doesn't fit our needs we needed a safety we took Elam, we needed s recvr n a TE we took - breshad n maxx - maybe need to get back to our favourite guy - take him in the first 2 or 3 rounds, we might be a bit off contending lets just stockpile talent regardless of position (within reason) - we might look a lot different maybe we just have to actually start taking the players we like in the higher rounds - instead of needs based and then throw some late round picks at the areas of need and hope we turn up some players - which oz generally does in the later rounds

2007 - Grubbs 29th Yanda - 3rd round Le'ron McLain - last pick in the fourth im not sure bout before that, bit before my time im not so much on Ozzie - just curious to how much input harbaugh has with drafting - since he's come on board were winning but seriously who's the best player we've drafted?? Mosley, jimmy, kO, Brandon Williams think we need to up our game start getting some players given we pick late generally might have to start taking fliers on guys that drop to us because of issues like spence, get first round talent in the second

Referring to your last bit - 'Oz used to nail them' Our lack of drafting success coincides with Harbaugh joining the team. obviously the first draft he was involved with we grabbed Joe and Ray Rice but given his newness in the role not sure how much input he would have had. im very curious to know how much input Harbaugh has into who we draft and also into who we retain and who we let walk seems like we let a lot of people walk and don't really replace them in that instance surely the head coach says, I think we have the horses, let's run with such n such like letting boldin go and trotting out Marlon brown, jacoby and torrey - hello 8-8 Does Ozzie sit down and ask him - you think shareece can hold the second CB spot or should we look to upgrade there

How often are they pressuring the qb?? probably more than our pass rush at the moment hahaha correas not receiving playing time cos he cant get on the field could have picked up developmental lbs in the 5th round high 2nd should be guys getting out there and making a difference - now still remember this article http://www.espn.com.au/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/201167/ravens-believe-they-have-three-first-round-picks-this-year That's why the Ravens' second-round pick at No. 36 overall has a first-round feel. Baltimore expects one of their top-30 players to be there at that point in the second round. "That pick to us should be a first-round type player," DeCosta said. we came away with correa

let me know when correa starts getting to the qb, meanwhile yannick and spence are racking up sacks

if wed used a 4th or our comp 4th pick and whiffed i can live with it - exactly the kind of pick you have a swing for the fences, guy produced is a playmaker but had a couple freak injuries - not knees, not soft tissue problems lets take a flier, get him in the weight room and hope he recaptures some magic for us we can pick up rb's, linemen and ordinary lbs any day of the week

Yannick Ngakoue another maryland kid we should have grabbed - just keep it simple, we need pass rush - get it im not expecting anything from bronson - guy turns 26 next year before camp even kicks off, was always worried about him having a few years off - then he gets a broken ankle out for the season - meanwhile Yannicks 21 this season and just getting started i know he was taken ahead of our pick but just get crafty oz, god knows we have enough picks to play around with move up and grab him easy to sit here in hindsight but guys like diggs and ngakoue are just matching up with what we need, theyre hometown guys and theyre on the board when we pick or close too, lets just Keep it simple stupid - grab them just dont understand why when we have a need we dont just address it and hard - we double dipped on tight end - why didnt we do the same for our pass rush and corners - we can always pick up tight ends but areas which impact the game - we just whiff or dont address we stay put in the draft and grab spence, kids coming on, we double dip and move up for yannick (maybe it took a 5th to move up to the top of the 3rd)- boom we've got our pass rush for the future, stay with young in the 4th got our slot, grab another corner in the 4th - keep looking at rashard robinson who dropped cos of off field flags - unless its domestic violence lets stop being so damn pc we lose moore and henry - could live with that

Watching bears v vikings Would happily swap ALL our 3rd & 4th round picks from 2015 for Stefon Diggs. Carl Davis, ZDS, Buck, Tray - RIP would have only taken one though. here we are scratching around for a returner and saying we need playmakers, we need playmakers oh yeah and he's from Maryland our FO feels like our secondary and our pass rush, just a few steps too slow lets take a flier on a 4th round receiver THIS YEAR - hope Moore can be half the player Diggs has been

too many balls in the air - guys coming back from injury, new guys, rookies, young players, people playing out of position - boom all came together but in the opposite way the front office had planned and here we are

Agree with everything Maryland said - it's absurd that we keep drafting d linemen when we so badly need pass rush and corners and the rest of the NFL is constantly adding dynamic WRs sitting here talking bout Carl Davis might be a player Need guys on the roster now, who can help - God knows we have room for playmakers

i feel like we (ozzie ) draft like we work free agency - on the cheap, trying to be smart and cute we need corners and have for a couple years - we grab tray (rip) in the 4th, young in the 4th - looks like a baller though and canday in the 7th we need pash rush - we just seem to sidestep the issue and grab a few players who might help but not seeing it how about just spending a high draft pick and live with the results, not like were getting return on the picks that are being made much like our contracts we're handing out - guys we are paying arent performing how about packaging up some picks to move up and be aggressive - i know a handful of these are comp picks think the front office needs to take a long hard look at our roster and truly understand where we are as a team - need start identifying blue chip talent and go out and get it, time to start paying up think we'll be picking high again - happy with the stanley pick but hope we have more to show from the second and third than we've been coming away with last 2 drafts

haha exactly - slots into a top notch defense and looks legit exactly what guys were doing with us - pollard leaves, looks lost, even ed reed was done once he left - its a team sport - a good unit makes ordianry players better we cant generate that now though because just dont have that - at some stage you have to stop being cheap and establish your core, then you can fill it out with cheap signings - think were stil trying to add cheap signings but they dont have anybody to hide behind im sure lewis and wright probably would have looked ok - playing in our superbowl side

Maybe because we haven't had the other horses around them to allow them to be successful. When you're sliding into a defense full of pro bowlers, HOF guys and young studs, you just need to do your job and you probably have the luxury to cheat and play a bit more aggressively. when you're sliding into a unit in flux, don't have the same cushion case in point darian stewart

Should we constructively tank the rest of the season?? Put all our picks and younger fringe guys on the park and let them play. Get Perriman, Moore, Waller, Dixon, Correa, Judon, Henry, Elam, Canady etc out there After today - does anybody realistically have expectations for a Super Bowl this year or next. As much as its disrespectful and I hate to do it to guys like Steve and Suggs - we have nothing to gain as a franchise from playing them - as for guys like Webb, Hester, Wright, Powers, Arrington, Lewis, not going to be able help us moving forward. Borderline throw in guys like Aiken and McClellan - need to just have our picks in their getting snaps. Weve just lost four in a row to a handful of teams who 3 or 4 of them probably aren't even making the playoffs. Im looking at big boards and mocks already

Our talent is ancient - why we're constantly calling on our depth. At full strength with our starting units out there - we managed to scrape by a few poor teams. Our second options struggle because rather than have to slot in one or 2 - it's generally half the side all at once. Only way to solve this is to get healthier and only way to solve that is to get younger

1. Long may not necessarily be an upgrade over Lewis at LT but the combo of Long / Lewis on the left side would most likely be an upgrade over Hurst / Lewis, Lewis / Urschel. 2. Our line has been one of our biggest issues. We lost 3 one score games in a row - having said tandem on the left whilst we suffered other injuries on the right may have been enough to buy a split second here or there, which in turn could have been the difference in such close games. 3. The preseason reference is exactly what it is. There's a preseason for a reason. I would rather test my depth when it doesn't count and live with the assumptions - particularly in relation to a 'backup' than play said player in a live game to find out he's not suitable. 4. Obviously there are short and long term implications with each signing. My point is simply that of all the vets we signed this offseason other than Weddle ie - Powers, Watson, Hester - the one guy we brought in (obviously we had an interest) only to let walk away due to his refusal to sign a waiver for what - $1 mil or so (how much are we giving Powers, Watson, Hester? Could have actually helped us win games and yes I'm referring to right now, not next season, not in 5 years time. Would he have stunted somebody's growth or a chance to find depth - he's not starting over Stanley, Lewis is just a backup at the position, Hurst who cares, Urschel whatever at 3-0 when we are in every race or position we need to be as a team - im not fazed about depth at a position i just spent #6 pick on, how bout I just slide in 4 time pro bowler as his back up, rather than some bum who doesn't cut it and then I have to shuffle my line even more. 5. Its a balancing act between bringing guys in to supplement and bringing guys in that are impeding. 6. the results speak for themselves - what's been one of our biggest issues - the line, the man could have helped right now, this season and I think you'd be on your own worrying about LT depth for next year if Long's filling in and we're sitting at 4-2, 5-1

id like to get elam in at SS and throw weddle back out to free - worth a look could be a tandem we can run with for a couple years - webb and his contract should be gone after this season does anybody truly trust elam as our last line of defense - or can he actually be a playmaker back there

That's what the preseason is for - we knew after the preseason Lewis could play LT if needed. We were 3 - 0 when Stanley went out In terms of finding depth vs winning games - at that point if we had a veteran we could have slid in - we realistically might be sitting atop the AFC North. There's a time and place to test your depth, pretty much the general idea of this thread. the preseason or when you're mathematically done for the season is probably a good time - at 3 - 0 coming off a horrible season, with the raiders and Mack coming to town - probably not so much Anyhow we didn't sign him - we found out Lewis can play tackle and he's better than Hurst and while all that played out we lost 4 games - in a row. The results speak for themselves, think we might have done things differently if we had our time again. but at least we know Lewis can play LT - seriously smh

up until this weeks game we've obviously been playing to win and harbs has been putting whichever players he felt gave us the best chance to win on the field i dare say we rest up and hopefully come back healthy and have a crack at the next couple games - see if we can get some momentum and some W's on the board but if we're still losing with guys like mclellan and doom starting over correa and judon, aiken and smith over moore, wright over anybody, hopefully elam comes back and we can give him a run over webb why the hell did we draft willie henry at a position of strength then - if hes not even sniffing the field, we have sooo many holes on defense right now, not in a position to be letting guys sit and develop in areas of strength one pick after Wille Henry - 49ers pick up Rashard Robinson - 6'ft corner - pretty sure we can use one of those https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-rashard-robinson/ oh hang on had some issues in college, stuff it!!! time to draft players not choir boys if we want to start winning again sick of reading all this crap about ben watson and keenan reynolds - holy rollers - follow a football team for football not for spiritual and moral guidance get mad looking at this, what are we doing!!

yeah but if we had Long - Lewis stays at LG - maintain some continuity for the line and the player - maybe all this jumping back and forth is contributing to his penalties

In this instance I'd just like to protect our $120 million QB coming back from an ACL