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24 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i dont understand this as an argument - the ravens dont draft for need (when a BPA fits the need it's great but they dont always do it)

lewis is great and all but he's not proven himself to be a probowl type lineman so if robinson were to come in that doesnt preclude him from winning the job at guard over lewis - we'll pick the player and worry about lewis later - i like him but he hasnt proven himself unbenchable at this point - i see no way that ramzyck or bolles are worth a top 20 pick (or maybe even top 25) either whereas i think cam as a guard is worth a high pick - no one here would complain if we brought in one of the top safeties despite having two starters entrenched already and no one would complain if we brought in barnett because judon's here already - now im not saying cam is quite as good a prospect as hooker/adams/barnett but i dont think he's got probowl potential which is hard to pass on - hell we were gonna potentially take zach martin in 2014 despite having KO and Yanda before the cowboys took him just ahead of us

No one would complain about Barnett because Suggs is on his way out, Judon is nothe being talked about as an every down player and unlike with Lewis they are not talking about Judon in the same way they spoke of KO which means there is a very real chance your 1st round pick doesn't see the field for 3 years.  

BPA always comes with the qualifier that you are able to use them. Corner, LB, Dline, Center, RT, WR, and even TE are all positions where you can easily upgrade and not have to worry about if there is room on the field so why pick one of the only positions where that isn't the case.

7 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

there's no guarantee ramcyzk a natural fit at right tackle either though - if he was a sure fire prospect like that he'd be in the conversation to go top 10 like jack conklin did last year but he's as flawed if not more flawed than every other potential first round lineman and he's the only pure tackle prospect of the ?5?

so if you bring in one of these guards then who's shifting out to right tackle? (or do you make bolles or robinson play right tackle?)

my question is do you take the lesser lineman because they fit slightly better or do you take the better prospects and deal with the right tackle issue later?

i think it's got to be a no brainer that you take the best player and deal with it

If you do not think he is the better RT than he is not the better prospect.  The Ravens believe both their guards (obviously Yanda but they seem to believe Lewis will be that as well) are probably bowl level guards and Lewis is not moving to the right.  So the only reason you draft Robinson is you either think he is the best RT prospect or you want to move Yanda over. 

Anything else leaves you even in the best case with pro bowl level talent on the bench and a hole at RT.

37 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

I agree - I think Lewis will not only work well at RT, but moving him there should make it easier/cheaper to find a replacement. Fundamentally, guards are cheaper than tackles. 

Unfortunately, Jensen looked anything but amazing last year. Huge disappointment. I honestly was surprised Lewis took what I thought was his job to lose. After seeing him last year, I'm extremely reluctant to see us planning to have him be our starting LG and I'd think the Ravens would be too.

Lost a center, lost an RT and no one has come in to replace. The draft is weak at that position, so it is unlikely that we'd be getting a stud in the 1st round and unlikely that we'll find a late round gem if the overall class is weak. Sure, we might add a camp cut late, but right now this position group is very, very scary. 

The Ravens have said he doesn't look good on the right so he isn't going to play RT.  Also you are arguing for a possible upgrade with some flaws to work out (possible because Lewis did look pretty good in his limited time.

Alternatively you take the natural RT who is almost certainly an upgrade because you do not have one on the roster.

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Where do you plan on having these discussions since this board will be dead?

I mean the replacement board would be a good place to have it.

14 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

so when my point is that flacco needs to play better for us to make the play offs its ignorant , yet you yourself say he needs to play better.
interesting.

you do know that if he played better last season we would have made the play offs regardless of jimmy going down right?

offense was the biggest issue last season and im pretty sure jimmy does not play offense....

 

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Yes but the offense is literally just Flacco vs 11 defenders.  Receivers needed to get separation, the run blocking needed to actually well exist which caused the running game to not exist, the pass blocking got better towards the end of the year but thats about it.  

15 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

So making the playoffs and losing the first game is somehow worse than not making the playoffs at all?

The Patriots ran through the AFCNorth. I don't know what I am failing to admit? That they would not do as well in our division when the results say they certainly would? 5-0 against the AFCNorth last year. 5-1 in their division. What's better? 2013: 3-1 vs. AFCNorth. 4-2 in division. 2011: 3-1 to 5-1. The results show that they fare better against the teams in our division than their own. That isn't conjecture. That's cold hard facts.

Some of you have such extreme purple colored shades on that it's impossible to get across a point. 

Of course making the playoffs is ideal but let's not be delusional and pretend that the,teams that make the playoffs are always the best teams.  Miami played a soft schedule in a weak division and got crushed when they played decent teams.  Despite being one of the 6 AFC playoff teams in wouldn't even consider them in the top 8 in terms of best teams in AFC last year.

8 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

I don't care what happened in the game between us and the Dolphins. The fact still remains that they made the playoffs and the Ravens did not.

Its funny that you bring up how useless the Bills offense was when ours was just as bad as theirs. We scored 13 points. 

The Jets game, we lost plain and simple. I don't care what happened.

And exactly what would the Patriots do in our division every year? The Steelers were 0-2 against them last year, Bengals 0-1, Browns 0-1 and Brady almost threw for 500 yards in the spanking they gave us. 

You could make the same argument that they would do just as well in our division. The Steelers and Bengals do not match up well with them. We play them tough once in awhile. And the Browns are 2 free wins. 

The fact that they made the playoffs and what happened to them when they did kind of proves my point about the AFCEast as a whole.  I suspect that you actually see that but are avoiding admitting it because there is no way you honestly believe the AFCEast and AFCNorth are the same quality of division year in and year out.  Even in a down year for the north they were still a better division than the East.

Unlike most years though NE was just the only complete team in the NFL with every other AFC team either being a year too early or missing a core piece.  Judging by how the off-season played out and that said year has passed that likely will not be the case (though the Jets and Bill's will still stink with Dolphins being at best below average)

3 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

The Bills, who we barely were able to beat, the Dolphins who made the playoffs and we didn't and the Jets who also beat us last year... 

If those three teams are all horrible in your eyes, where do we rank as a team? 

I like how you focus on the result of the Bills and Jets game but ignore the one for the Dolphins game because it hurts your point.  Also considering how useless the Bills offense was against the Ravens at no point did I ever think the Ravens could lose.  The Jets winning that game was an upset.  Upsets do happen though otherwise the Pats would go 6-0 in the division every every year but sometimes they go 5-1 or maybe on crazy years 4-2.  It still does not change that the AFC East is notoriously bad and has been and will continue to be.

5 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

If we are aspiring to be the best team in the league, then why can't it be easy to make the playoffs? 

The Patriots have made it look pretty dang simple the past 10-15 years. And I don't want to hear about the level of competition in each teams division. They are still NFL teams and they have owned their division year after year and have had great super bowl success.

Playing in the AFCEast the division of basement dwellers that have no desire to ever be good sort of does that.  You can put blinders on about the level of competition all you want, there is a reason the Bills have not made the playoffs in 18 years, the Dolphins are never more then average (note how they were the 2nd best team in the AFCE last year and how badly the Ravens destroyed them) and the Jets who are well they are the Jets.  

All you need to do is get to the playoffs with a playoff QB and you have a chance in January as long as those 2 things happen you can compete for a SB every year.

Just now, usmccharles said:

Yea I know, its just seems so many people are caught up having a elite WR group which I think is overrated.  I think we just need a collective group, like in 12', Im with you on our WR group needing to be addressed, but I also don't think we need a top ten corps, imo a running game is far more important. 

You build a top 10 or top 5 ideally OLine and the rest of the offense will fall in line.  You give any WR enough time they will get open, you give a RB. American home he will get yards.  OLine wins games more than any other position on offense 

11 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

That analogy is probably one of the worst I have ever heard. It's just an SMH type comment. 

Even if Perriman comes along and has an even 1,000 yard season. (Massive stretch already) we still wouldn't have one of the best WR groups in the league. We'd be the middle of the pack. Can Perriman duplicate what SSS did last year? Well even if he did, we still had a pretty poor passing game. 

That's why I said above average.  Also SSS was not very good last year.  He lost a step or 2 due that injury.  He had moments of greatness but he couldn't recapture his previous form

53 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

There's a massive difference from already having one of the worst WR groups in the league compared to the Steelers and Cowboys. 

Also, you missed the point completely. Outside of Dez, both those teams don't really have any injury concerns at WR. So I'm not sure what your comparison is getting at. 

Perrimen has been in the league two years and has had two major injuries to his lower body. I would consider that injury prone. 

I'm not even going to comment on Camp because he can't stay on the field long enough to deserve a comment.

My initial point meant that we are a couple plays away from having the worst WR group in the NFL. We already have one in the bottom 10 and I know it's hard for some of you to accept that.

Saying someone is injury prone due to 2 freak injuries is like saying they are an all pro after catching 2 deep balls.  He had no injury history before this and they have no connection to each other.

How good the Ravens WR Corp is comes down to how much Perriman develops in his first off season and TC.  If he does one of the better groups in the NFL if not it's likely one of the worst.

If the Ravens took a WR I wouldn't be shocked nor would I be shocked with a pass rusher corner or tackle.  The RT beingby far the Ravens biggest need.

On 3/15/2017 at 8:13 PM, purpletide said:

I still think Lewis can make the move

The Ravens can not possiblydo anymore to show they are not moving Lewis to the right.  They say he does not look comfortable on the right and since they have the benefit of seeing him practice I am going to trust them. So right now it's draft a RT, draft a guard and move Yanda, sign a RT, or trust James Hurst.

Isnt it about a year or two too soon to start drafting Yandas replacement and the Ravens like what they have with Lewis (the words they use with him actually mirror how they talked about KO early in his career) so I dont know why an interior OLine player will help when the biggest need on the Oline is T.   I am all for BPA but that player actually has to have room to contribute.

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

i dont see how giving kirk cousins, a worse qb, a contract much bigger than the one flacco already has will improve the team let alone even be financially viable...

40M+ wrapped up in the QB position next year is the best way to go (btw if you cut Flacco that number is now 60M+).  Having 1/4 the salary cap dedicated to 1 of the 22 spots on the field is clearly the genius plan.

On 3/12/2017 at 9:04 PM, Purple Punishment said:

We got cute and missed out on Noah Spence who had a great season while KC did what??

He had almost the same numbers as Judon with Judon playing far fewer snaps so I would not exactly call it a great season and the players they got instead made that a very good trade.  Judging a pick after the first year though is moronic especially when you do not draft said player to start right away.

1 hour ago, terrynjulia03 said:

I think Lewis was drafted to take over RT. Every single draft expert said that's where he's best. This OL class is pretty weak, but maybe using a 2nd to get the best C coming out? Dunno. They have a plan, and it seems like it's pound the football and have a dominant D and therefore control the clock. 

The thing is though the Ravens have repeatedly said over and over and there actions support this that they do not want Lewis on the right side so he is not the person they are going to put at RT.  They keep saying that Lewis does not look as good on the right and that they see a massive upside for him as guard both pointing against them moving him to RT which basically leaves the problem that there is not a real RT on the team and there is virtually no depth at OL at the moment.

The only real problem the Ravens have right now is they do not have a RT.  If the season started today James Hurst would probably be starting which is a disaster.  I can give the benefits of the doubt on havingan upgrade at C on the roster and also that while a possession receiver is nice the Ravens probably have good enough weapons to win but if you don't have a real RT you have no chance of winning.

My question is when did Ray become considered a big ILB? Wasn't his biggest concern when he was drafted that he was too small?

On 3/13/2017 at 2:27 PM, Purple_City39 said:

Well, clearly the Ravens will too.  But when praising someone as being the best on the team, I remove anyone that has to be removed during obvious passing situations........in a passing league.

Yes but he is the reason you can force those passing situations.  Instead of having to play run on 1st and 2nd down and being slightly more vulnerable to a passing play you can just trust Williams the line to hold up thus forcing those 3rd and longs.

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

As a NFL team, you say one thing and sometimes go another route. The Ravens want 53 of the best players possible on their team. If that requires shifting Alex Lewis to RT I don't think that is an issue. Everybody wants continuity and for everyone to play the same position. But sometimes that is not in the cards.

They say he ISNT a good RT though and that he has the potential to be an elite guard.  Both there words and actions showed this last season and it doesnt seem like much would change between now and the next season so if you believe everything that has not only been said but done then they have no real RT on the roster.

5 hours ago, ravensdan said:

The offensive line is the biggest issue on the team. By far. 

Not having a single RT on the roster is sort of a big deal since as the Ravens have said numerous times they do not view Alex Lewis as a T they view him as a guard.

5 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Yep. 👍 But another key is also Dean Pees play calling. He need to stop have him 10 yards off the receiver. 

As a fun fact the CBs (at least Jimmy is) are allowed to decide for themselves how to cover there guy and thats not on Dean Pees in the game.  I know people like using him as a scapegoat because those are fun but if its up to the players to decide how to cover then you cant really put it on him.

1 hour ago, Edug27 said:

I'm not ignoring it. I just don't agree. I don't believe he played lights out... at all. His position was one that I highlighted as needing a major upgrade heading into the offseason. Ozzie went out and got that done. Our secondary will be greatly improved because of it. I prefer younger, faster "depth". He just makes no sense on this roster.

You can think he didnt but reality says otherwise.  You are not just arguing with us that he didnt play well you are arguing with the stats with the experts and with pretty much every rating system that considered him a very good safety especially for his first year.  He is going to be a starter somewhere and a very above average one at that which is why he has no reason to come back here.  

Obviously I do not disagree though with getting a top 5 safety to pair with your top 1 safety for only about 3.5M though.  When you can get young elite talent for that little money you do it without hesitation but it doesnt mean that people can not regret losing Webb or note all he meant to this team and all he could have meant had the injury bug not picked on him.

17 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

So..how bad are this FO. THey have turned the baltimore ravens in a mess.

No O-line outside of stanley and an older yanda

NO pass rush

No Secondary depth

No WR of any real note

Ozzie we trust ay..

Stanley Lewis Yanda is a fine core to any O-Line.  There are also not many teams in the NFL that can claim top depth in the secondary and Mike Wallace is certainly a WR of note, in fact right now he is the best bargain on the Ravens roster at the moment.