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40 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Mister Bosa tweeted and promply deleted these tweets; sounds like a smart guy...

LMAO was just about to post this. Ive just been realizing bosa's personality and honestly its not getting much better, whats next? Lol peds?

7 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

VH3: 4.50-40, 15-bench press, 39 inch-vert and 130 inch-broad.

Ramsey: 4.42-40, 14-bench press, 41.5 inch-vert and 135 inch broad.

Great showing by both of them imo.

I agree. Really impressed with vernons athleticism, only knock i have with him at the combine is his arms are only 30 5/8 and his hands are 8 3/4 kinda scares me and makes me thinkg he will have problems playing press outside.

Also wasnt expecting William jackson iii to run a 4.37 lol. Very impressed by that number 

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Bosa's falling all over the place. He doesn't look like a 3-4 OLB, too stiff.

Agreed. Too robotic in his movement, wasnt as fluid as id like to see. Seems like a guy who needs yo play on the line. I dont trust him in space

I find it funny how theres 55 votes for treadwell and only 16 for buckner and jack lol something is wronge with that and i picked mackensie alexander i would change that but at least i feel better about it then treadwell lol

Can we pleeaaaaasssssseeeee have have a re vote with an updated cenario, maybe have tunsil, goff, buckner, bosa, and ramsey picked idk just change it up. Its a good topic and would be better of we can re-vote. This thread makes no sense anymore

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I never use the up vote button, but I did there.

Same here. Lets break the record! ?

11 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we end up with Ramsey in that scenario since I think Jacksonville may take Jack. 

Really? Isnt jax hot for ramsey. Or are they that determined to stack their front 7

6 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Stanley, Hargreaves, Spence if Goff isn't drafted by the Browns, since all the players mentioned could be gone.

Its scary that we are betting on a qb to be drafted before we pick. If not i dont think theres a prospect id take at 6. Id trade back and take Mackensie alexander. No doubt. If ramsey, buckner, jack or bosa arent there then its spence the least because at least his talent matches the pick. Otherwise it would be tough for me to feel confident in my pick

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we end up with Ramsey in that scenario since I think Jacksonville may take Jack. 

I would cry tears of joy

I could also see dallas take wentz after ramsey goes to san Diego, jax takes buckner and we have to pick between bosa and jack. Id pick jack. I dont trust bosas character seems to off. Went to ft laudy high school st Aquinas which i heard has issues with drugs. I live half an hour from ft Lauderdale so i heard it from local residents and know the area. Seems to be legitimate sources

10 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Makes it that much easier for him to tip passes.

1.tunsil

2.Goff

3.Buckner

4.Bosa

5.Ramsey or jack?

6.whose left for us?

Although san Diego could take ramsey. I honestly have no idea how it gonna work out. I just feel like well end up with one of the four

Lol anyone check out Buckners hand size. If not you should ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Pac12Networks/status/703312784826757120

So apparently deforest buckner is tied for the biggest hands measured at the nfl combine https://mobile.twitter.com/Pac12Networks/status/703312784826757120

Just watched mackensie alexanders combine interview. Boy can that kid talk lol he is at no loss for words or confidence. So far the 2 most entertaining interviews are him and bosa. Bosa seems like a stoner surfer dude though lol

Really likr what i saw from sterling sheppard, did an excellent job in the gauntlet and posted better then expected numbers. Already liked him and probably secured himself a second round pick. Will fuller also really helped himself out. Showed great speed which we knew he had but he looked fluid in pass catching which i was really looking at. 

Didnt see a forum on this so decided to create one. Here you can post any prospect who you think is overrated try to find some articles to add to your case. Heres mine:

Joey bosa-some people see him as a first overall pick. I dont think he has that upside and this article perfectly illustrated the all the flaws you see on tape with him, and those flaws continue to show up on the tape when i went back to take a look.

 https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2016/2/25/11059596/2016-nfl-draft-profile-joey-bosa-ohio-state-defensive-end-breakdown?client=ms-android-metropcs-us&espv=1#fpstate=amp_viewer

Whats your take on this? Who else do you think is overrated? Let the debate begin. 

Buckner all the way, higher ceiling same floor

2 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I agree. I really like Jack and I think he would help our defense tremendously. That said, if Buckner or Bosa are there they have to be the pick. They're just way too good to pass up.

Bosa is at the bottom of my list between those four. I just dont think he has as hi of a ceiling as any of those guys, odds are hes not as likely to bust but i see him having a career like Jarrett johnson. Maybe more productive but similar. https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2016/2/25/11059596/2016-nfl-draft-profile-joey-bosa-ohio-state-defensive-end-breakdown?client=ms-android-metropcs-us&espv=1#fpstate=amp_viewer

6 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think Jack will be our pick honestly. I like his ability in coverage but should we really pick an ILB this high with other needs on the board? Based on this, should Joey Bosa be there, I really think he should be our pick over Jack no question about it. We should desire Bosa's ability to potentially rush as a OLB/DE hybrid, similar to McPhee who we badly miss. 

The one issue i have with bosa is how hi his upside is. I dont think he has a very high upside and we need a homerun pick here. https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2016/2/25/11059596/2016-nfl-draft-profile-joey-bosa-ohio-state-defensive-end-breakdown?client=ms-android-metropcs-us&espv=1#fpstate=amp_viewer

This is how i feel about bosa

To me its down to 5 guys. If none of these guys are there ou trade down

1. Tunsil

2. Ramsey

3. Jack

4. Buckner

5. Bosa

The later of the 3 can be put in any order really. I just did it out of preference. If none of those guys are there then id trade down to the 10-12 range and hope someone like vh3, billings, spence, alexander, or treadwell are there. Im becoming more and more certain of this

On 1/29/2016 at 2:07 PM, GrimCoconut said:

@JoeyFlex5 Nothing wrong with that and that's an argument with which I can agree. Not everyone always sees eye to eye in terms of how good a prospect is, so I'm perfectly fine with your statement here. It's just comments that suggest we should pass on someone because they're not a fit just really get me going.  

I always argue against those arguments because I just find them poor. You have to take the best player and it's the coordinator's job to put them in the best spot to maximize their talent and if they can't then it's time to find a new coordinator. 

I'd really be happy with any of those guys here. You know I think highly of Spence and see him as a future Suggs replacement, while I like Ramsey a lot and I think he could do much for our secondary, potentially functioning as a LB in nickel sets if we need him there. I see Bosa as a better McPhee crossed with Watt. Alexander is a good cover CB. 

Ultimately I'll be satisfied with any decision here. I don't care if it's Jack or Spence or Smith or Buckner or Ramsey--we just better get the best one available because we can't afford to miss. I feel they can all significantly improve our team. I feel they all help this team immediately, which is where I didn't see eye to eye with you with Jack because I see him as an every down player. 

That said if Jaylon Smith can play 3-4 OLB we better take him. He could play ILB or OLB then, and that would be awesome.

On 2/13/2016 at 6:37 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ok so I watched a lot of film while I was at work the past 2 nights, and I've changed my mind on Jack, he is a lot tougher than I gave him credit for, he actually does play with a punch, and when playing downhill he can really deliver a jolt to a blocker, and the ground he covers is incredible. He also diagnoses plays as well as any college lb I have seen. I would be ok with drafting him. 

 

However I still maintain that he gives up far too much ground when trying to pursue laterally in the run game, he struggles to find a lane and just circles around and let's the play advance, I think Mosley can make up for that though because that's what he does best. And I still prefer buckner or Spence by a mile, but I'd be ok with Jack.

You know im honestly almost sure that there are 5 guys who are truly worth the 6th pick, the blue chip recruits who just stand out to me the most are Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, and Buckner. Its hard to put them in any order but i think thats the best order i could come up with. Im really split between buckner and jack but jacks athleticism puts him ahead and i could even put both of them ahead of bosa. I still think he has his limitations to what he can do. Anyways i feel like one of them if not 2 are bound to be there at 6 and if not then we should trade back and go with the teir 2 group which includes vh3, spence, Stanley, billings or treadwell. Even if one of those top 5 prospects are there at 6 teams could try to give a lot up for a player of that caliber. If buckner falls to 6 the giants may want to trade up from 10 to snag him and may have to give up more than they should and we could walk away with a second teir player and more picks. But too me. If any of those blue chips are there you have to take that player. 

Myles jack and william jackson III

These two guys would immediately bolster our defense, playmakers and also versatility as we all know jack can do everything lol but jackson is a very good special teams player as well, something harbaugh loves and something that gives us even more value with our pick. A lot of people notice his bowl game but ill give him a shoutout for the previous game where he had 7 passes defensed lol. He had 5int and 23pds last year. Crazy production and he fits our mold of a corner

Wed then have jack and mosely then jimmy and william. Two good tandems for a long time to come. Then if we could get boyd or sheppard with our third it would be a near perfect draft. 

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

The more I see of him, the more I am convinced that if Myles Jack is there at 6, he's our guy. He would add so much more to our defense than any of the CBs or pass rushers in this draft. His talent is truly special.

Ya ive been feeling the same way. Ive watched so much tape on him lately and even went back to his highschool tape and his athleticism is through the roof. Im not too worried about his scheme fit as i think our scheme is very flexible and also asks linebackers to have speed. We need speed in the middle of the feild and he can mesh well with mosely i think. He would be very versatile for pees, and could be moved around to throw off defenses. I think it would be a tough call for us to pick between buckner and jack and im starting to think buckner could very well be off the board but if not thats a tough call. I feel more drawn to picking jack because of the need for speed on our defense. Bpa between those 2 is too much of a toss up

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

All these flaws are present, but are more inconsistencies in his game than real problems. And if I trust anyone I. The top 10 to hit their ceiling on our team under our coaches, it's buckner. That's the kind of guy Clarence Brooks dreams of.

Ya thats what i was kinda going for. He doesnt really show the inability to do something, he just lacks consistency at times and in shows in more areas than some. I think clarence will turn that kid into a monster, he still has room to grow in his frame as well, his lower half is still a little slim but hes a phenomenal prospect. Hes waves ahead of arik from last year, instant contributor for sure and could give us flexibility with our scheme cause he could probably rush against tackles with his length 

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

its no secret that i like buckner. the way i look at it, he is a safe bet. if we are looking to be certain that we get a good player with this high pick, buckner i think is our guy, i think his floor is sort of like a cameron heyward on his absolute best day, and his ceiling is.. well he has none, sky is the limit for a guy as massive and athletic as him, his high character and great motor and work ethic make him look like his upside is very realistic. 

 

at 6th overall the last thing you want is a bust, but you also dont want a low impact guy, ideally you want a player with a high floor and high ceiling to ensure you get a quality starter but also have a chance to have an elite player, buckner perfectly fits that category, i dont see how ravens fans could argue against him.

I have caught up on a lot of film on this kid and i see where your comming from. Id be hard pressed to pass on a guy like that, hes a game wrecker and really impressed me with his tape. However i do think he has some flaws and im not truly convinced on his ceiling being as high as you say. On the tape i see him tend to stand too tall at times but thats understandable at 6'7 lol. His base needs to be wider at times and he can get thrown off his feet and leveled on double teams as well as turning his back on blocks, however i dont see any of those as setbacks as he can get coached up in that area.  Now my biggest question is whether or not he has good or great athleticism. He seems stiff on tape and its hard to tell if he can bend a corner. He just seems tight in his hips on film and i want to see the numbers he will put up at the combine because that will really show if he has any physical limitations. If he really does have great athleticism than all those combine numbers should be somewhere near the top in his position. Then ill be really sold on his upside. Still i wouldnt defer the idea of picking him at 6

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/2/1/10892006/insidious-draft-myths

Good article that supports the trade theory, im all in if our "guy" isnt there at 6.