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15 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Love his ball skills but dislike his ability vs. the run, he isn't the best open field tackler, and against Penn St. he got caught multiple times on the play action - a product of maybe not having the experience, but possibly not. He might be able to hit pretty good but he's not laying out anyone

From what I've watched of him he compares pretty well to Eddie Jackson from Bama, great range and ball skills but can't really be trusted against the run. He's pretty darn good but I think he'll go higher than he should. In my opinion if we're talking taking Hooker at say 10 or getting Jackson a round, maybe two after that injury, later, then I say go for Jackson. You get the same type of player with the added benefit of a great return specialist packaged in and I'd argue that he's a more willing tackler than Hooker - that isn't to say he's a better tackler but he's more willing to stick his nose in there and try to get the ball carrier down.

Im looking the alabama defense. They probably have 5 guys who could possibly go in the top 15 in jonathan allen, tim williams, marlon humphries, reggie ragland, and eddie jackson(maybe not with his broken leg) we could use any one of those players in our defense with maybe the exception of ragland. 

Had a long look at malik hooker recently. This kid has unvelievable range and ball skills. He has a nack for going up and getting the football as a center feilder and he can lay a hit as well. The only thing negative is he seems to be out of position at times to make plays. Happened a few times vs penn state but he always has those flashes of brilliance. Its hard to tell with him only having this year under his belt. He def needs more experience. He wont be nfl ready after thus year, theres no way hes just too raw. Another note on him is that football isnt his first love. Its basketball....he almost gave up on football too..wouldnt be able to tell by watching him play but that is something to watch out for

34 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Joe isn't going anywhere, so I think you have to improve the talent around him as a result. We are married to Joe Flacco whether we like it or not for at least a few more years. I like Joe, but I know many don't. That said, he's playing poor lately and it needs to improve. We can cry about it, but I think it's best to accept he's going nowhere and recognize that his escalated salary cap means we cannot move him for many years. Therefore, improving the OL around him is the best option or getting a #1 WR like an AJ Green or Julio Jones. These are the best courses of action to get a ROI for our franchise QB.

I like him too i just think he needs weapons around him. Hes not the type of player to carry a team on his shoulders. He needs talent around him to thrive. Which he hasnt had since the superbowl run. 

20 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

That would mean he either started looking at twitter stuff after we drafted Elam or he hasn't been paying enough attention.

I think its ever since the ray rice debacle. It was an article by kevin byrne right after last years draft

7 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I don't think players should be completely removed from boards solely over arrests, but I definitely think that character matters a lot. He's going to get grilled by teams over it and who knows what his answers are going to be. It's easy to look back on guys who had character concerns and moved past them (Mathieu, La'el Collins, etc.) but we can't overlook guys who never did overcome those concerns (Justin Blackmon, Josh Gordon, Aldon Smith). I'm not trying to equate any of the player's actions to each others, but if you're spending a high draft pick on a guy, you don't want him to be at risk of suspension every season. 

Ya i agree. I just have this feeling were looking way too deep into that. Ozzie said he looks at the kids twitter account to see how smart they are and the things they say. Thats why i was saying that. 

2 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

nothing for the offense?

I mentioned fournette

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I can't blame you for being disappointed. I am as well. Just give it time and see what happens. We could go on a tear and really light it up and still compete for the playoffs. There's a lot of football left and we're not even halfway through the season yet. Just be a little patient and see what happens. Right now, we could use many different positions. A #1 WR, starting C, Pass Rusher from the Edge, #2 CB who can fill in as a #1 CB, and even S are all positions we could really use right now. Arguments can be made for all of them. 

I just feel like were a bunch of average joes out there led by an average JOE flacco, but your right. Theres still time to turn things around. Its just not promising especially with that gruesome schedule

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

The Cowboys are winning games because they invested a lot into their OL. Yes, they drafted Elliott and Bryant, but they invested the most into their OL and had success after that. It starts up front, and winning the battle of the trenches is a big deal. Center, LT, and RG are probably the most important pieces on the OL. We've got a rookie at one, a weak center at another, and an injured elite veteran who's getting up in age at the third. We need OL. I'm not advocating taking Elflein over Julio Jones here, but we certainly could use him over many other prospects. I'm not sure where we end up drafting because that'll also impact where we'd go. You don't typically draft a center with a top-10, top-5 pick, that's true.

Im not saying ignor the oline because we definately need to beef up there but we can do it later in the draft. I see us picking in the top 10 again unfortunately. With a remaining schedule consisting of 2 vs pittsburg, 2 vs cincy, at new england, philly and dallas. I dont see us winning many of those games.....

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I understand, but you have to look at impacting everything you can and I'd rather improve the OL before a WR because the impact is more significant. Don't get me wrong. If the next AJ Green or freaking Julio Jones is there I'd take them right this second, but don't overlook the importance of an OL because they impact a lot of the offense and can completely turn around the offense. If we run the ball better, we can draw the defenders in and take them away from the deep part of the field to open up the long ball. Since the threat to run the ball is less, that's why we have become so ineffective at running the ball because teams sit and take away the long ball and use the same recipe to beat us every week now because we can't run the ball and we don't have time to throw deep. You solve those problems and it makes the WR job easier. 

We havent had stanley and yanda either for a while. I dont think thats helping but even when we did we still struggled to make plays. Flaccos qbr is practically the same when he has pressure vs when he doesnt. Then look at the dolphins. Jay ajai has had 2 straight 200 yard games behind an terrible oline. Why? Because he can break tackles and has quickness to get to the hole while its there

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'd argue very strongly that an OL is a playmaker. In fact, an OL may be one of the best playmakers on the team because they allow multiple playmakers to make plays. If you have a good OL, your QB (playmaker) can have time to throw to a WR, who can get open because the OL gives the QB time in the pocket so the WR (playmaker) can eventually beat the CB coverage, and the TE (playmaker) doesn't have to stay in-line to block, which allows the TE (playmaker) to make plays while the OL opens up holes for the RB (playmaker) in the run game. 

I like Cook slightly more because I think Cook is slightly more explosive than Fournette. That's the edge that makes me like Cook more. Else it would be a coin flip.

Right but what happens when you have no WR who can catch or get open and dont have rb who can hit the whole quick enough before it caves in....thats my point

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Fournette would fit here because he's just too good to be unconfortable anywhere. Cook is as good as Fournette but he's just made to run in a ZBS, and he's a better fit because he can get outside much faster and turn it into a big gain. I think he's also a better receiver, which obviously is really important here.

 

 

Fournette can get to the outside just as well and i dont think he has any problems as a reciever. He just doesnt get many opportunities because of lsu. Fournette is plenty explosive enough and really wouldnt ve surpirsed if he ran a 4.4 the kid has wheels. He also more powerful between the tackles. Cook is just a bit faster but lacks in the upper body. Personally i want a guy that will wear a defense down by running them over 24/7. Bring back the black and blue football to baltimore. 

4 hours ago, jboy19 said:

Yeah... being in a publix parking lot at 2AM with pot and a pistol isn't good face. 

Dont you think its time we stop caring about that. These are all football players theyre not meant to be smart. The old ravens were known for being thugs. Im starting to think this orginazation is caring way too much about character rather than just seeing if the kid can play.....all the ballers out in the nfl right now arent your smartest bunch

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Cook is a better fit here than Fournette, and I don't think it's even a discussion.

Fournette is a fit for any team. I dont wanna hear the whole zone blocking scheme isnt what fournette is good at. Hes a running back with all the tools to succeed at any scheme and an elite talent that we are desperately missing. 

I still love cook and think its splitting hairs between the 2 but i give the edge to fournette

Everyones saying they would want elfein right??? You do know we are likely picking top 10 top 15 at this point. You really want to go oline 2 years in a row!?!?!? We have a good oline. They just need to get healthy. Whats killing us is the lack of playmakerS. Plural! We need skill position players now! Someone with the talent level of a fournette or mike williams. A playmaker on defense like a tim williams or a derek barnett. We really dont need a C/G as a first round pick.....we can find plenty of thise guys later in the draft. We need an elite level talent to build around. 

I would say garrett no doubt if hes available but im starting to think fournette......he would imediately help us win games. 6 rush yards vs the JETS are you kidding!!!! We need to bring back smash mouth football to Bmore and fournette is a rare talent. Him and beef up that oline. We have thrown the ball more than any team in the league. Thats not ravens football

I dont see walker in the second round ? hes a first rounder MAYBE early second. 

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

no he doesnt, but his skillset looks like a great ballhawking safety. he would do well at corner, no doubting it, but the way he anticipates the throw and plays the ball is special, in the NFL qbs will just not look his way at cb, but if hes a FS they have no choice but to throw in his area sometimes and he would get his hand on a lot of balls playing there. as a cb he reminds me of chris harris jr who is my favorite cb in the nfl, he isnt the big long press corner but he is still very physical and tough and still plays big while not having that slight clumsiness that the really tall corners tend to have.

I dont think being a safety is really all about reading the qbs eyes. In the nfl they always look off the safety and you have to stay disciplined. Just because he can read and react doesnt mean he'll pan out as a free safety. I also dont think he has the speed to go sideline to sideline and cover ground like a safety is supposed to. I think hes a corner all the way. I can see the traits that you would like but i just dont see that ability to cover ground sideline to sideline from king. Maybe because hes never been in that position? Idk i just dont see it

1 minute ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Fournette is still my #1 back and I expect him to go top ten come April. 

Drafttek just recently had him going to us at 14. I know its way too early but its still exciting to think about lol

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

They had advantages that most teams don't have though so it works for them. If we had an elite pass rush or a clear cut top safety tandem like Denver or seattle, respectively, then we could do that.

Seattle runs almost purely zone with bump and run so it's not like they were just sticking like glue to receivers keeping them hemmed up at the line and their safeties and linebackers all played a huge part in their pass defenses, and Denver can get away with that risky play because their front seven combined with wade Phillips scheming is hell for a qb. Chris Harris is my favorite cb in the league because he's diverse, so he does a fair bit of the kind of stuff I'm talking about, he just also happens to be able to press fairly well.

I get what you're saying though, I just think our personnel is far from being able to do that and were better off with guys who can stick to receivers downfield and jump routes, constant press coverage is very risky with no pass rush.

I think thats the defensive mold were trying to create here. Which is why i strongly beleive well take a pass rusher in the first. Biscotti made that clear last year. We need more young rushers. Well..2017 is the year to do it

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm not sure white is a nickel corner. A lot of successful outside cbs are 5'10" and thags because the lower center of gravity allows them to stick better and also recover quicker. My favorite example is pat pete, hell of a corner and athlete but he's big and tall and often gets caught on double moves and comeback routes because he's got a slower cut than guys that are 2-3 inches shorter. 

I won't argue about king though. I'm torn between the 2 I just happen to think he excels more as a safety than a corner, though I think he's a great fit at either spot.

Has king even played safety though. All the film ive seen from him hes been typically on the outside

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think a physical corner is overrated these days, you want one corner to be physical and then you want the rest of your guys to be excellent mirror guys and with great ball skills, often good in zone coverage and route jumping. Its just the way of the NFL. Let a Jimmy Smith get physical with the #1, bracket a safety his way, and then go zone heavy elsewhere. It keeps the top wr in check if ran successfully and clogs throwing lanes elsewhere. 

Not to mention the increased use of crossing routes and bunch formations for "unintentional" pick routes, you don't want all your corners up right playing man because you'll just end up leaving everyone open on those crossing patterns when your dbs run into each other.

If you have a big physical corner already then you're good and you should start looking for explosive and instinctive guys with great zone awareness.

 

I see what your saying but to me white is more of a nickle back. We already have a nickle to develop in young who i think will pan out well. We really need a guy who can come in and be a #2 and eventually take over jimmy for the #1. I think jimmys foot problem really stunted his growth as a prospect and ultimately his ceiling. Its also going to shorten his career and how long hes able to stay productive. I agree on your assesment of finding guys with great ball skills but if you want a guy who can play well in zone and has those ball skills who can also come in and support vs the run and is a trusted tackler than i think king would be the better choice over white. Not to mention a lot of nfl teams top 2 recievers are typically 6-2 or bigger. Some even go 3 or 4 deep at that size. I just view white as a very good slot corner at the next level. 

15 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Ok, now I have my laptop, so my turn. But before anything else, we're talking FAVOURITE, so I'm not naming the best prospect but the ones I had the most fun watching. Here goes:

 

WR: Mike Williams. Tough, tough call. In love with KD Cannon, but we already have burners. Really liked Juju, Kupp, Corey Davis, Ford (yes, changed my mind) and Rudolph. But Williams is a pleasure to watch, and if we get him in the 1st I'd be as ecstatic as can be. He really reminds me of AJ, he's so smooth despite his size. He's the prototypical WR1 and just is the guy you gladly trust to decide the outcome of a game.

 

RB: Wayne Gallman. I want to precise I don't particularly Clemson lol. And also the best RB is Dalvin Cook, period. But Gallman is the perfect workhorse, he's agressive and hits the hole so quickly. He's a hard runner, always keeps his feet moving, and you can see how much he tires the defense.

 

TE: Bucky Hodges. BaltimoreBird does well promoting him, he's a specimen. And he really blocks well, which is not something I expected from such a physical receiving freak. Also watch out for Jeremy Sprinkle, you read it here first.

 

DL: Caleb Brantley. Here comes the <3 definitely one of my favourite prospects so far. He's quick, strong and has great technique and IQ. He's typically a good football player who's gonna fall because he's not flashy enough, like Bullard before him. And I want us to be the team who benefits it, because him and Timmy will make the other teams regret it.

 

EDGE: Let's go with Dawuane Smoot. This class is really loaded with talent, but Smoot is the guy who gave me the best time. He just makes something happen on every play. Screw the sack, you want to rush the passer? You know who to call, he's the complete package.

 

S: Budda Baker. Again, favourite. He's smaller than Adams, but has a huge range, great agressivity, IQ, and versatility. Hhe's flying under the radar, but I don't see why. Don't expect it to last until May.

 

CB: Jourdan Lewis. OBJ, Coleman, Crabtree. Those are the WR that hurt us this year. Now if you still think height is the problem, you weren't following. Lewis can flat out cover and when the ball comes to him he's a baller.

You def got the idea of what this topic is for. Nicely done. I agree on mike williams. He really is a joy to watch and would be a major boon for our offense. Especially in the redzone where we struggle to put up 6

5 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

They've guess our last three first round picks.

That could just be luck. Im sure theyve been wrong 3X in a row for other teams. I mean they still have deshone kizer as the top overall prospect....his team is 2-5 lol

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't know. I kinda want a corner to be a bit arrogant just because of the nature of the position. It'd be a little more concerning to me if he were like a quarterback or something.

Well his play surely does speak for itself. I just didnt like the remarks he had for tennesee. Especially after how they completely chocked in the second half

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

What's up with Wilson's attitude? Matt Miller said scouts heavily lean Wilson due to no off the field issues, unlike Tabor. Although, the off the field, if Ozzie feels comfortable, may push him to the Ravens range.

Idk just the attitude and arrogance he has when i hear him speak. Nothing with off the feild.