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1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

C'mon man, here we're talking about one guy breaking down one game. I know you watch Voch Lombardi, I just looked it up and he also made a video about Cam that breaks down multiple games (50 mins vs. this one that's just one game and a 10 minute video) and he ends up echoing the same things I said in the other thread about him. I can't tell the future obviously, but we can't just act as if this one video makes a world of difference, when i watch Cam I come away with a very different opinion and I'm not the only one that thinks the guy should be a guard at the next level, and you're not the only one that thinks he'll be a tackle at the next level, one guy's opinion of one game doesn't really alter my opinion at all. All players have good games and all players have bad games, in this one Cam had a good game, against Tenn this year he had a very, very bad game against Barnett, you can't form an opinion of a player based on one game. That's basically the crux of my opinion of Thomas and why I don't think he should go top 10, people are judging him based entirely on his UNC game, every other game there was just a different player - and that happens to all players, watch one tape and you will come away loving or hating anyone.

I didnt mean to come off saying this one game proves everything but it gives you other angles and gives you a good idea of his strengths abd weaknesses. I was just trying to show that he has traits  that can translate to being a tackle at the next level, which i think he can. We can agree to disagree on that. Thats fune with me no harm in disagreeing

@rossihunter2 i wish draftbreakdown had the 2015 tape of cam vs tennessee so we can compare both games

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

yes so he's great vs a guy who only threatened his outside (which meant he could close the space and arc of garret's edge rush and a guy who tries to athletically overwhelm him - watch him the week after vs derek barnett and watch him get destroyed - you cant just take the best tape and say look this guy's a great tackle - he's brilliant in small areas without threat to his inside which is why i think he projects better on the interior but vs any rusher with polish or with moves he will struggle or at least initially at tackle will maybe be a liability - there's no way cam at tackle is the BPA - he's probably not the best tackle in the draft - i think he's the best lineman in the draft but he's not the best tackle

Id be drafting him based on him being the best lineman. I understand the fact of what your saying, barnett toyed with him all game and i think thats more of a positive to barnett than it is a negative for cam, but we can always chip the pass rusher if we feel cam cant handle him. Its easier to put a TE or a RB by the right tackle with out being predictable

Also thats really the only game where cam was really taken advantage of in his 3 years at bama. They also had a weird scheme run in that game and pretty much gave barnett the outside all game.

I wouldnt want to pick cam and just plug him in at RT but rather let him compete for the spot and have a true option of putting the 5 best guys on the feild. And if that means putting him at LG and lewis at RT then thats what it is. However if theres any injury we have the luxury to move cam to that spot and he will do the job just fine. Not sure you can say that about anyone else in this class or on our team for that matter, we just dont have that kind of depth. 

1 minute ago, hn68wb4 said:

What makes you so confident in him at tackle? honestly I see him as somewhat similar to Osemele, sure you can put him at RT - as we did with KO his rookie year - and you'll get an overall solid performance, but put him at guard, specifically LG, and you'll get something special. Just my opinion, but I hate his footwork at tackle, speed rushers are a real problem for him, and the guy's biggest positive attributes from what I can see is his strength and his mauler mentality which I feel would be best utilized inside - and inside you can alleviate some of his footwork problems. Maybe I just need to watch him again, but that was my impression when I watched him back in, I think, February.

Well i think you take him as an offensive lineman in general and figure out where he fits best in training camp. I think he should do well at tackle in the nfl. I mean he started at LT for Alabama since his freshman year. That has to say something, he has the length and lower body strength to play tackle. Im not too worried about him playing speed rushers because there really arent any in our division. I posted a breakdown of him in the prediction vs preference thread and in the comments section of the video the guy who did the breakdown(who is an oline coach) sees him as a tackle. 

Those of you who question cam robinson as a tackle need to watch this. If you can. Its a great breakdown

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

Ya know what, I guess I should re-evaluate this situation.  Considering Yanda's age this could be a great draft pick.  The issue I have is that there are so many game changers in this draft, especially the defensive talent in the first.  We need to find a replacement for Suggs and Yanda, two very important positions and waiting till one of them retire to draft the replacement (ie Torrey situation) would be a huge mistake.  Thanks @ravensnation5220

Not what I would prefer, but I would understand it and not be disappointed. 

See i think hes a tackle through and through. Theres plenty of talent in the later rounds at other positions like reciever. Id either want us to go with oline or pass rusher with our first pick

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I just think we can find adequate talent after the first

Like who? Theres no one else in this draft with Cams caliber

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

I'm going the other way a bit - I was initially kind of excited about picking cam on the interior but I'd be disappointed now - he's still a top 16 player on my board for me but only just - I just think there will be better players available at other positions

see to me hes a tackle. If you had youtube theres a great breakdown of him vs myles garrett

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I'd be fine with it if I felt there were any natural tackles worth the pick this year and they were the BPA - I don't see that this year

The theory was proven to work by the titans last year and I don't think anyone would suggest that Conklin wasn't a great pick but I don't see the value at tackle this year

I honestly think Cam Robinson is worth it. He can provide quality depth at each position on the line (besides center) and fill obe of those holes. Id much rather have cam fill in at left tackle then anyone we have on roster. To me its the best move to make especially with what we want to do on offense. Have a great run game and protect joe. Its not like Cam will have to go up against elite pass rushers all the time other than myles garrett maybe who he has experience against. Guys of Cams caliber dont grow on trees. Id honestly be on board with taking Cam and Elflien with our first 2 picks. Wed have continuity on the oline for years to come and the more then same group of offensive lineman plag together the better they get

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Robinson is one of the players I would be disappointed with if we used 16 for him.  This just isn't a good OL class, I love this analogy:  Sometimes you don't have to be the hottest girl at the bar, just the only girl.  I feel that applies here, if not, I just wanted to say it. 

I like cam, hes not perfect by any stretch but you can work with him. Hes got plenty of upside and more than held bis own in the SEC. I just posted my opinion on this in the prediction vs preference poll thread

The more i think about it the more i think i want Cam Robinson to be our pick. 

First off hes a mauler and would instantly upgrade our running game.

Hed also provide us with bookend tackles if we decide to use him there(unless lewis moves out, we can figure that out in training camp). Flacco needs a clean pocket and a solid running game for him to be at his best.

Next, in case of an emergency(stanley injury) you can put him at LT and not have to worry too much on a major drop off. Without him we might have to put hurst or lewis out there and that never seems to work well. 

And finally we can always address the pass rush or a reciever later on. There is a lot of depth and guys who can contribute to the team later in the draft while there isnt another Cam robinson. Sure theres other options but none of Cams caliber and i truly believe hed be worth it at 16, if not we can always trade back a little and hopefully manage to nab him anyways

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Same. I'm getting too attached to Mike Williams as a Raven which means he won't be here

Im not that attached to him because theres similar players to be had in later rounds. All he really is is a big bodied target for joe with hands. 

To me the value of cam robinson is much greater, he can line up anywhere except maybe center. If stanley were to ever get hurt id rather slide him over to left than try and fix that with whoever we have. To me thats great value

For those of you who dont believe drafting a right tackle in the first round is a good value pick remember that most elite pass rushers usually line up over the right tackle

my point proven http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/6/28/11641306/nfl-right-tackle-vs-left-tackle-scheme-salary

If those are our first 3 picks im happy. Actually Id be bouncing off the walls

Even though part of me feels like we should go RT or pass rusher in the first round but i get mike williams/corey davis

Great mock overall. Seems realistic in every cenario

17 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Yeah I also see a good awarness for the position and how well he tracks the ball. Initial separation might be an issue on the short routes but as long as you keep him running fades and comebacks he's going to demand attention. 

As route runners for intermediate routes I prefere Kupp and Ford, hands down.

A guy that always creates great seperation at the stem of his route(before his break) is john ross. He sets up his routes beautifully. It comes so natural to him. Smooth as tennessee whiskey

4 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Okay, that's my fault. ESPN's player profile on him is wrong. That is a pretty good size for a WR.

You might be looking at the other mike williams who played for the seahawks

Didnt mean to come off hostile if i did

@Ravens4Real Mike williams is 6'3 3/4 hes a great player. High points it better than anyone in the country and Im someone who prefers corey davis but i wont question his size and ability.

Just now, RaineV1 said:

It just seemed like Williams could get more separation downfield. Davis seems to rely more on quick cuts to get separation.

Idk cause on tape i never see williams get much seperation. He only gets seperation once the balls in the air. Otherwise corners were always on his hips, he just managed to out muscle them for the ball

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

You have that in reverse. Williams is faster than Davis, and more of a bully when going for the catch. Also, Williams put on great shows against a higher level of competition. Davis is good but Williams is definitely the more talented of the two.

Davis is faster than williams on tape. I dont care what Williams ran at his 40, Davis looks much faster on tape and it has nothing to do with level of competition. Just like tabor, his 40 time doesnt reflect to his speen on the field

5 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

His tape isn't as good as his combine numbers. He's not that polished and he hesitates at times. And he doesn't have great bend. The potential is there, but he's he's not a sure bet. I'd be pretty happy with him in the third, but I think the second would be too much of a reach.

He has good enough bend for me. He may hesitate a little at times but nobody is a perfect prospect. His first step could be more consistent but i think some of that has to do with his long strides which make him look slow. I think the third is a little late for him. His tape alone says at least second round. To me at least

Why is Jordan Willis never brought up on here? I used to think it was because hes viewed as a 4-3 DE but after watching his tape i realized he can play in any scheme. His measureables and combine numbers are off the charts as well. Character, motor, polish, athleticism, and production. Why hasnt this kid been mentioned around here!?!?!?! I dont see why hes not worth a first round pick

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i didnt know there were any cbs in this class notorious for michael caine impressions...

lol well i got one for you. Jeremy Cutrer middle tennesse st. Watch his alabama tape

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Everyone says Cleveland taking trubisky over Garrett would be dumb, but if they landed him and fournette... ugh. Look out afc north, with that line and hue Jackson on developing trubisky it would be a matter of time before they're winning the division

lol let them. Trubisky is gonna need a lot of time

@rossihunter2 ya i dont see many character issues unless its a DV case. kid is majoring i  criminal justice with a 3.09 gpa, not great but not bad. Shows hes trying a bit in school

Caleb Brantly in round 2 @RaineV1 saw your first pick mock. Made me remember his tape