January J

Can we hope a picture of Myles Garret with a marijuana gas mask on Leaks 10 minutes prior to the draft? Don't think we'd pass this time!

If we stay put ideally I'd take Jones. If he's gone then Wilson. If theyre both gone I'd trade back for Feeney.

Only way I'm trading  up is if Mike Williams falls to 12 or 13 and all we have to give up is our comp 3rd and a fifth.

Tankersly and Tabor wouldn't even be on my board. 

Jones-Lattimore -and Wilson are my favorite... and in that order.

On 1/30/2017 at 5:36 PM, ArsenalRaven666 said:

To trade up would only use our comp 3rd to trade up a couple of spots for one of the DE Garrett/Allen/Thomas/Barnett, WR Williams, CB Lattimore or possibly ILB Foster.

IF draft board is blown up by our pick I would hope to trade back but only if we recieve additional 2nds/3rds and at value.

Only way I would trade completely out of the 1st is for a huge haul way above value

We gotta remember we did the most damage in the fourth round last year. First and seconds are great, but there's alllllot of hidden talent in them in between rounds and stacking picks gives you a better shot at finding quality starters as opposed to putting all your chips on one player. That said if a guy like lattimore or mike Williams is sitting there at 13 I might jump. Such a tough call. I'd be way too indecisive to make decisions like that.

On 1/25/2017 at 10:26 PM, JO_75 said:

Am I the only one who thinks this QB class is weak and that unlike most years where we can count on prospects falling due to teams reaching on QBs, this year we won't be able to? I really don't see any QB that sticks out and I feel it could be similar to 2013 where only 1 QB is taken and then we end up trading down because teams we expected to take QBs take guys we thought were going to be at 16

i agree and disagree . I think the class is weak..but qbs always move up closer to draft time and teams always reach for them no matter what. Id venture to almost  guarentee Atleast 2 will go before we pick. 

On 1/27/2017 at 4:23 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pocic eh? I've thought since last season that he would be a guy we take a keen interest in. 

I really don't like basham though... his tape was pretty bad

Yeah he's def my OL prospect next to Feeney. Either of those guys and I'm chipper as hell.

On 1/28/2017 at 0:05 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

i am a big fan of cooper kupp, i was on his wagon a while ago, but man i just cant call him a mid 2nd. i love him in the 3rd and if we were to trade back for a late 2nd i would be ok with him assuming: evan engram is off the board, ethan pocic is off the board, and none of the popular 2nd round db's are off the board. 

budda baker is a guy im really getting big on, if we trade back for another 2nd hes a guy i hope we are focusing on. he could be an elite nickel player and really change the complexity of a defense by turning a weak package into a strong one.

There is talk he could slip into the bottom first. I tend to disagree but you never know.

On 1/28/2017 at 2:44 PM, Wildabeast88 said:

RB Donnell Pumphrey is looking good on this first drive

On 1/28/2017 at 2:46 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

Man I love Donnell pumphrey. He's a little tough guy. If he can handle punt returns like he just did I love him in the 4th round. Funny thing is as mayock said he's never had any durability issues throughout hi career

Yeah it was said by i believe Davenport that he's the guy we've spent the most time with so far.

On 1/28/2017 at 6:05 PM, Tyler said:

tell me this guy isn't Russell Wilson

Lol def see the resemblance. He looks like a damn baby- don't play that way though. Very high character guy - I can't imagine him not being on our radar.

On 1/28/2017 at 8:29 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

i still think kupp is undoubtedly better than jones. his separation skills, deep speed, twitch, acceleration, all of it are better. hes got better pro tools and kupp is no slouch in catch radius/contested catch/general toughness either. 

I agree- I think kupp better fits the mold of what we need as well. I'd snatch him in the 2nd in a heartbeat. Would even consider moving up a few spots if we think he might get sniped. Don't like the idea of losing a pick but I think he may be worth it when all is said and done. We need to finally land that star receiver and get that monkey off our back.

On 1/29/2017 at 2:32 AM, kjbmore said:

What are thoughts on trading out of the first if we could swap with, 49ers, bears, jags, jets for their 2nd n 3rd

End up with an early second, then our second.

Early 3rd, our 3rd, comp 3rd

 

On 1/29/2017 at 3:15 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

thats too deep of a trade. a lot of times trades are calculated risks, like saying "we have X amount of prospects we want to draft, we can trade back to Y and one of those prospects are guaranteed to still be there". youre talking about 17+ spots here, at that point they better throw in a 2nd next year as well. 

however... with 2 seconds and 3 thirds we could bring in a haul. you got guys like tj watt, budda baker, jourdan lewis, tanoh kpassagnon, dan feeney, ethan pocic, evan engram, desmond king, curtis samuel, christiann mccaffrey, dion dawkins, ryan anderson, there are some serious prospects we could land with 2 seconds. and then in the third there is some quality as well. with the senior bowl im seeing a lot of the quality third rounders now look like seconds, but there is still some solid players there. i wouldnt be totally against it but moving back 17-20 spots would need to bring in way more than a 2nd and 3rd

Yeah we wouldn't have to trade out of the first in order to pick up an extra 2nd. Move back into the 20s and take a guy like Watt or Feeney - then still grab an extra 2nd to attack  cb and Wr.

16 hours ago, ArsenalRaven666 said:

Going on the points chart our 1st is worth a 1000pts, the trade with 49ers would be worth 820 without out picks/future ones added.  It would take a huge haul to tempt me to trade back that far and for the draft board to completely collapse at that point. (Passrushers, Safeties gone and no one taking any of Quarterbacks)

I wouldn't be against trading back but I wouldn't trade out of the 1st round for just a 2nd and 3rd.

 

If your looking for a draft haul something along the lines of trading with our 1st to Cleveland for both their 2nds and combination or 3rd/4ths would be more appealing (2nd 2nd 3rd comp and 4th).  This would give us three 2nds, three 3rds and two 4ths .... 7 in the top 100.

Could only see browns trading up that far it they didnt take a QB with their first 2 picks and one had fallen to that point they really liked Trubisky/Watson and thought one of the next few teams will.

 

Now this would be something to consider. Getting an early second would allow us to still get a  top notch player that slides down- and then we still got two other 2nds to work with to grab guys like Pocic and cooper kupp. Not too mention the thirds- this is a deep draft as far as our  needs are concerned- so we basically could knock out every single need in one swing with a trade like that. Unless a guy like lattimore or Williams fell in our lap I would absolutely jump on that. Cleveland def has the firepower. 

How often to teams trade with other teams in their own division or do y'all think that even is a factor whatsoever? I guess draft  positioning means more than anything- I was thinking if the browns are trying to get back into  contention they'd much rather find another trading partner as opposed to giving us a haul like that when they have to face us twice a year- but If they have a player they really covet such as a qb and they think he will go right after us then im sure it'd be irrelevant. Who's drafting at 17 would be a better question?

12 hours ago, Edgar said:

Wilson seems to be the popular pick of late for us at 16.  I don't like him at 16...awful tackle form in general and doesn't appear very interested in being invested vs. the run.

 

He does a better job than many pro corners at getting his head around and finding the ball. 16 seems a bit rich for him.

I don't mind him at 16. Not my favorite but I think its a safe move. And him being able to get his head around and find the ball is my favorite trait any corner can have. I get so frustrated BC it seems likeso many corners struggle with that- ESP ours.

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I agree completely the FO needs to be aggressive. They like a lot of the players out of last year's draft and they drafted 11 players last year. Only 53 roster spots to go around and you can't fill it with rookies. Trade a pick or two to move up and get guys you think have a better chance of contributing to this team long term. I liked how they traded back last year and got a milion picks and got quite a few players they like, but this is the year they need to be aggressive. 

It's important to have depth and the chance at finding starters are better the more picks you have- but like you said theres only 53 spots. And do we wants starters or stars? That's why we just need to walk that line and balance out with a little bit of both. Stack some picks but don't hesitate to package them and move right back up if there's a guy there we really covet go after him!

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

If the Ravens somehow came away with a combination of like Charles Harris and Cooper Kupp I would be super excited.

You and I both Buddy. Or how about  if we could trade back a few spots and still land harris- then grab kupp and Pocic in the 2nd?

18 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What I really would love to see most(aside from an elite corner or edge rusher falling) is a trade back for a second, draft feeney in 1, and use our 2 seconds for Evan engram and either white, king, Lewis, or tankersley. Great offensive overhaul and another good cb to really round out the roster

Bingo. And just listening to an interview with decosta my interpretation is that OL and corner are equally at the top of the totum pole. If Feeney can play center, AND we can trade back and get him while getting an extra 2nd ....wow I can't even finish my thought thinking about how great that could be. Imagine this:

1)Feeney

2)Cooper Kupp

2) Desmond king/ White

21 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If it takes anything more than a 3rd I wouldn't. I like Mike Williams a lot but I like Corey Davis almost as much, different skill sets and all, but I don't see a big drop off there

21 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Depends on the price and I agree.. Plus his neck injury a couple years ago is still a bit concerning. 

 

I wouldn't for a 3rd. If the Ravens didn't give up a 3rd to move up 2 spots to grab Jalen Ramsey they won't for 3 spots for Mike Williams. But if it is like a 5th or 6th I could see it. The Ravens drafted 12 players in last years draft. There are only 53 roster spots. 

But I do want this type of receiver for Joe. One that plucks the ball out of the air. One that goes up for the ball. One that is a huge target. 

Cooper Kupp reminds me of Doug Baldwin he may be a good pick if there in the 2nd round (which may become more and more unlikely the way he played at the senior bowl and depending on his combine stats). The Ravens need to get taller in both the secondary and at WR in my opinion. 

Was just about to say the same thing. I think cooper kupp in the second would be a great move. May not be feasible tho with the way he's been showing out at the SB - he just might sneak into the first. Its a shame too BC before that I think we may have had a real shot to pluck him in the third.. But yeah if he falls to us in the second I say we pull the trigger. He could possibly eventually fill the void left by steve- and he can do it all- inside and out. If he even gets close to us in the second I would consider giving up a 4th or 5th to move up a few spots if we think he's on somebody's radar or think another team may snipe him. We need to find that perfect balance between being aggressive but still being conservative and stacking picks. And our guys are the best in the biz at doing so - so I fully trust them. The only thing is after listening to an interview with decosta I don't think WR is that high on the totum pole of needs. I know alot of smokescreen is used pre draft but what I deciphered from his words were that CB and the OL were equally the top priority followed by pass rushers. After that I think WR comes into play- but then again you just never know with them- they could surprise everybody and easily take a RB round 1... Its anybody's guess. And I get the feeling they are going the FA route with WR unless one falls into our lap. 

21 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

People post on forums but hate the opinions of others. Ironic lol

So true. And I get negged just for agreeing with your assessment. Lol The pettiness.

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I still think Mike Williams looks like AJ Green. Every highlight reminds me of AJ Green plucking the ball out of the air. Strong hands to snag the ball. One inch shorter and 2 pounds lighter. Would be nice if he became even half of that.

If he slides to 13 do we make a move  or stand pat?

I do think he has that AJ potential as well but i don't see him as a "can't miss" 

the juice could be worth the squeeze..

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

tim williams is tumbling. corey davis doesnt appear to be a trade up type of guy atm and could be there at 16, mike williams isnt quite great enough to trade up for. 

mckinley is horrible value at 16 

tankersley looks like hes projected 2nd round and will likely stay there, tabor is a bust in the making.

Not sure why you got negged so much and where all the haste came from? 

I agree on all accounts.

My dream scenario would be trade down once or  twice for Watt- grab Pocic in the Second - grab desmond king with the pick acquired from trade-  take the highest wr and then cb on the board with both thirds such as cooper kupp / westbrook and then  Corn Elder. Then just go BPA from there on out.

That gives us

1)Pass rusher

2)Center

3)Safety/ Cb

4)WR

5) CB

6) Depth

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd be upset with taking cook, honestly. I think cook is an incredible prospect, I love his style of play being powerful enough to hit all holes and stay on his feet after contact but having breakaway speed and great elusiveness. I just wouldn't be happy taking a rb in the first. Hell I'd rather trade back and take feeney and then hope to land pocic and run with Dixon who I think has top 5 potential. Dixon and cook are incredibly similar backs anyway so it's not like we'd be adding diversity to our backfield with him. 

Very true. I'm kind of torn on the idea. Part of me hates it and part of me thinks it might be a good idea.

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we're at 16 and you have Corey Davis, Charles Harris, Quincy Wilson, Sidney jones, dan feeney, tj watt, and dalvin cook still on the board, and you have a trade back for say 8 spots(8 players in that list) for a 2nd. I would take it in a heartbeat, I wouldn't be able To decide between those guys. 

That would be a really great scenario.

4 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

New excitement is the possibility of Roethlisberger walking away.

He's not going  anywhere bud. Best believe he's pulling his little drama queen act. Just like suggs said Benjamin will be right on the feild come game time. His ego is too big to walk away without announcing it beforehand and getting a "farewell tour"

5 hours ago, K-Dog said:

He is WALKING away from the game.

I would suggest he is amazingly over the top lucky. 

Ofcourse he is. I meant we are unlucky as far as having the ILB position sewn up. His health is more important obviously but that still doesn't mean it doesn't suck.

9 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'd venture to guess Orr was playing at more than 224.  Regardless, go back and watch the preseason games and watch how easily Patrick was taken out of running plays.  It's not as simple as telling him to pack on some weight and he'll be fine.  Do we know he has the frame to support additional weight?

ill admit I haven't studied him much. Just going off of what I've heard. And ofcourse during the slow offseason/ training camp everybody's the next superstar according to Ravens writers.

 I do know however we need more players with attitude.

7 minutes ago, berad said:

Can Pumphrey return kicks and punts? Makes him more valuable and it's been a weakness for the Ravens ever since Jacoby started declining.

Good question. That's what makes peppers intriguing- but his lack of producing turnovers turns me off quite a bit. I'd like the pick but wouldn't love it.

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm not seeing it.  Ozzie certainly tries to live by his BPA mantra but I think he's got to know at this point that pass rusher and CB have been holes for far too long, and this draft is a prime opportunity to try to fill those holes.  His seat has to be getting at least a little warm.

Bisciotti certainly will be gawking over the pass rushers and cbs- but Ozzie doesn't let anybody persuade him away from his vision. Might turn out that those positions are the BPA anyway. I disagree his seat is even warm though. Harbs's will be getting toasty  before Ozzie's even gets Luke warm. He's earned a ton of leeway- and everybody knows he's grooming Eric anyway. So almost undoubtedly Steve will ride it out with oz until he steps down- which I think may be in the near future. 2 or 3 more years tops. Decosta will be our GM by 2020.

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think he could be in line for an expanded role, but I'm not sure he's much more than a nickel LB.  He's pretty small for an ILB and gets washed out of run plays.  The speed and temperament are nice, but that didn't help him get off of blocks.  Maybe we just need a 2 down run stuffer and we hope Peanut steps up, but I doubt he's just going to take the job and run with it, and that's because of his size.

he's listed at 6'0 ft.  217 lbs....only 7 lbs lighter than Orr. Pack on a few this offseason and I think he'll be fine. Plus the speed will help in coverage situations-which both Mosley and Orr did a great job with this past year. Mosley struggled big time in 2015 with that- so he def improved quite a bit.

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I like Cook but I don't think we're at that level yet where we can afford to go RB in round 1.  I have no problem with doing it, but I feel like you need to have some other pieces in place first.  I wouldn't be mad with it, but I also don't feel like he's the best fit for the team at this time.

very true. We could be though depending on what we do in FA and in the later rounds. I dont know just smells like an Ozzie pick to me.