January J

Got a strong feeling we are going to pick up 2 veteran receivers post draft- one of which will be Boldin. That combined with a Wr in the draft from the top 3 rounds( Williams, Davis , Kupp, Zay , Juju ) and we will be just fine. Y'all better stop sleeping on Perriman.

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Barnett will be there at 16

then Barnett will be a Raven. 

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Whats your opinion on Reddick and McKinley?  I don't know much about those guys.

I'm not real savvy as far as scouting guys and what not but I definitely know these two guys are on our radar.  I think that Decosta might believe we can trade back into the early 20s and still land Tak too. Would be a gamble but genius if it worked. Plus either way there will be nice alternative options there if it didnt... Feeney- Conley - Wilson- Harris- White- Williams. Could even trade back twice and then take Watt and wreak absolute havoc in the 2nd & third. A lot of depth and talent in those rounds. We could take Pocic, Zay / Kupp, Moton,  And still get a top graded corner and have our pick of the litter. That would give us a potential 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. And don't forget about the now early third we got from moving jernigan. We can do some real damage if we play it right. We currently have ALOT of roster spots to fill too so I think we will be doing a lot of moving around-  back and forth.

On 4/7/2017 at 10:53 AM, RaineV1 said:

Thought this could make for an interesting thread. Basically, who do you think will go in the top 15, and which one or two guys will be left on the top of the Ravens' board.

Round 1 pick 1: Browns: Myles Garrett, edge

Pick 2: 49ers: Jamal Adams, S

Pick 3: Bears: Marshon Lattimore, CB

Pick 4: Jaguars: Solomon Thomas, DT/DE

Pick 5: Titans: Malik Hooker, S

Pick 6: Jets: OJ Howard, TE

Pick 7: Chargers: Jonathan Allen, DE

Pick 8: Panthers: Leonard Fournette, RB

Pick 9: Bengals: Rueben Foster, LB

Pick 10: Bills: Mike Williams, WR

Pick 11: Saints: Haason Reddick, OLB

Pick 12: Browns: Michael Trubisky, QB

Pick 13: Cardinals: Patrick Mahomes II, QB

Pick 14: Eagles: Quincy Wilson, CB

Pick 15: Colts: Ryan Ramczyk, OT

If this happens, then I think Corey Davis or John Ross will be the pick; it just depends on if the smokescreen was a bluff or a double bluff where DeCosta just told the truth thinking people would think it's a bluff. So, who do you see going ahead of the Ravens?

Absolutely not- first of all Ross wouldn't even be a consideration. In this particular scenario I think Davis would give us some initial pause - but Barnett would be the pick without question.

I still like Rasul Douglas and Kazee.

I also think we need to add some real height and get an outside corner though.

21 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

The Webb deal is fantastic.

 

There are several possibilities now.

 

1. We can move Jefferson down to ILB on nickle/dime packages while Webb plays safety. Allowing Jefferson to cover TEs(something he does very well), and having two good safeties over the top

2. Webb can play slot CB when Jimmy goes down. Tavon proved he's more than capable of holding his own on the outside. Webb provides much needed depth and veteran experience.

3. 3 safety sets could be a thing now. We use a third safety a lot in the rotation, and Webb would still be playing a lot.

 

All in all I think it is safe to say we have the best safety core in the entire league. We need to go draft an edge rusher and I like the direction of the defense 

 

BINGO!

15 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Onwuasor** pretty sure is how it's spelled. 

And to your point he was earning defensive snaps as the year went on. Yea it still requires a big leap to project a breakout year for him, but it's not solely based on the training camp skirmishes like the other poster suggested. 

If a rookie UDFA Safety that's a converted WR is getting defensive snaps at LB on a top 10 ranked defense in the NFL -- the kid is a football player. Period. 

I picked him as my surprise guy to make the roster and have an impact last year, and I'd say he accomplished that. 

And honestly, barring Foster dropping to us at 16 or us signing an obvious FA upgrade, Onwuasor is probably in the competition with Correa and Levine for that starting ILB job along with a draft pick or UDFA. 

Dont be completely shocked if he wins it either. 

Thanks I knew I probably botched it. But yeah there's something to be said about him earning more playing time like you said- I mean he wasn't going to be playing over Orr the way Zachary was playing- but had Orr not balled out like that Peanut could've had a nice season last year. Now that Orr stepped down I believe its his time. Don't get me wrong I'd LOVE to see KC step up- but I think Peanut ( lol much easier to spell) literally man-handles his way onto the starting roster. We need some guys that will strike fear in our opponents and play a little nasty. Not quite like Burfict - but you get the idea.

9 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Im convinced our target is Barnett to replace Suggs.  His numbers at the combine werent very impressive, but neither were Suggs.  Barnett or Mike Williams....im pretty happy

I think Barnett is at the top of our list of players ( that atleast have a possibility of dropping to 16) unfortunately I dont think he will make it. I'm almost positive that it will come down to these 6 players one way or the other:

Derek Barnett- Corey Davis- Mike Williams- Reuban Foster- Haasan Reddick - Tak  McKinley

Ofcourse anything can happen and a guy like Lattimore or Humphrey could be there but I doubt it.

15 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I would use him all over, and maybe even feature him when it's called for. My outlook would be to see him used mostly in the slot, with Dixon or West in the backfield. Drafting the likes of a Chris Godwin or Zay Jones in the second would catapult us up with the best receiving corps in the league. Can you picture that? Even if we opt for another position in the second, we could use our fourth on Amba Etta-Tawo a real nice possession guy. Then we could run out Perriman, Wallace, Etta-Tawo, with McCaffrey out of the backfield ,motion or the slot.

Sorry bud but I just don't see it. Would be a huge mistake IMO. If he miraculously fell to the 2nd then sure.

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

does anyone else find it odd that there has been almost no connection between the ravens and corey davis? i cant find anything suggesting the slightest interest, all ive seen is decostas comment which meant absolutely nothing.

That means he's right in our crosshairs

17 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I guess you don't get the concept of what McCaffrey can do for an offense. What he brings to the table as a wide receiver, running back, and returner.

I understand the concept perfectly.. Just don't agree that his style would be a good fit for our current needs. Don't think he will be on our radar whatsoever.

21 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Onsuwaur?? He is known for some training camp cheap shots and he is a step up candidate? How much of that is based on superstition? because of undrafted linebackers playing well like Bart,Ellerbe,Orr

Yes Onsuwaur. Some of it is just a hunch I'll admit but I like his feirce  attitude. Some looked at it as cheap shots and some looked at it as giving his all until the whistle. We need him to take that type of mindset out on other teams. And the coaches seem to have a lot of confidence in him.

You heard it here first!!

On 4/5/2017 at 3:58 PM, ravensnj said:

When you finally have the opportunity to grab a number one receiver (Williams or Davis) you do. We drafted defensive help last year and there are many "next man up" on the roster. We also filled holes in the defensive secondary through free agency, therefore, I can't see us not using the first pick on an absolute offensive stud. My pick is well known on this board and hopefully the Ravens staff catches wind of it. ......Christian McCaffrey!!!

I was with every single word you said all the way up until you said the name Christian McCaffrey...then you lost me along with all credibility. What in the world makes you think he would be a good fit or that he is even worth a first rounder? There used to be a time where nobody would even touch a running back in the first round period.

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we move ahead of the bengals I have a hard time believing it's for anyone but Barnett or foster. Both big needs and great fits who eh bengals are almost certainly taking one or the other

For sure. That extra ammunition from the Jernigan trade will help with that if so. Thank god the comp picks are finally trade-able this year.

17 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

What from the presser suggests to you that Harris is in the conversation out of interest?

as for some of the tradeback guys I think taco won't be on the board in the 1st for us - decosta specifically mentioned edge guys who don't fit the system which i think refers to him - he also mentioned 4/5 rushers potentially going in the first which I'm having a hard time pinpointing:

Garrett and Barnett are the obvious two, I'd say takk McKinley is probably also guaranteed to go, reddick if they count him (not sure if he would count or not but I think he probably does), im going to take a punt and assume Thomas isn't one (projects more as a versatile d-line guy) so I think that the "maybe" 5th guy is probably either Lawson (injuries making him a maybe) or Tim Williams (off-field making him a maybe)

unless taco is the 5th guy they think someone might reach on because as much as I like Harris I don't see where he fits onto this list of 4/5 if it is only 4/5

i don't think dan feeney is a target, nor peppers (they were way too effusive about him to realistically take him in the 1st), I also think as a rule you might as well take all the potential tackles off the board in the 1st given how they spoke about the middle rounds and having a paucity of tackle options in each round they would target compared to other years

Didn't say anything from the presser suggested that. I'm taking into account everything. And who knows he may have specifically mentioned those things as a smokescreen. We can always take a guy who doesn't necessarily fit if we think the natural athletic ability/ skillset is there and think he's teachable.

Depends how far we tradeback and who's left- anybody can be a target if its a position of need and the board doesn't fall our way. But that's why I had those few guys near the bottom anyway. For some reason I think if one of the top 3 or 4  guys isn't there at 16 that our major aim would be to trade back for Tak McKinley. Just a strong hunch.

14 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I have a hard time believing Harris is a guy we'll take at 16.. 

im starting to think that the wr visits with williams and Ross are smokescreens, i think there's a chance that we fully expect williams, Barnett, the 2 safeties, and foster to be gone, and that our top target at that point is Corey Davis, and that we've seen enough from non-private visits to be comfortable, and we are throwing smoke screens that we are interested in Ross hoping that we can get trade back offers for a team who wants him. 

Ross to ravens hype train has picked up a ton of steam, a LOT of people think we are bound to take him at 16, but I just don't see us taking perriman at 26 and then seeing an injury risk(with less spectacular catch ability) like Ross at a value of ten spots higher, Corey Davis on the other hand, I think the ravens could fully justify that, and maybe could be confident that a tradeback of a few spots can still allow us to secure him. Seems they are adding fuel to the john Ross fire, but I would be truly surprised if we took him at 16

Couldn't agree more about Ross- like I said I don't think he is on our radar whatsoever. His stye just doesn't fit with what we need at all. Hopefully another team needing a speed demon will jump up for him.

Ofcourse we expect those other guys to likely be gone but it's a possibility they won't be and that doesn't mean they're not higher on our board obviously. If i was to guess right now who our pick will be after those other guys are gone- I would without a doubt say Corey Davis.

14 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Considering its decosta, it seems more like a smokescreen lol. That guys pokerface and ability to act like he could care less about any situation is just great. 

But then again, considering that... it could be the exact opposite of a smokescreen

You never can tell with Eric. Could be either.

11 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

There are 4 players I would be okay trading up for and they are: Fournette, Foster, Jamal Adams and Jonathan Allen. Other than these guys, if we stay pat I expect us to draft Barnett, Mike Williams, Corey Davis or John Ross in that order of preference. If none of these are available I would like to trade down and target a Jabrill Peppers or Cam Robinson. I don't like too many others in the first round. Tim Williams to me is a target for our #47 pick. I doubt he'll last that long, but that's where he should be picked.

I would absolutely not be OK with trading up for Fournette- that would be a huge mistake IMO as he's a big boom or bust guy- right now I'm leaning towards bust and think he's way overhyped. Would rather have cook but due to his history I see us not touching either. We have our eyes on somebody in the 5th or 6th I'm sure.

A lot of people disliked my post I see - I'm very interested to see you alls current top 15 board of picks that are actually within the realm of possibilities.

5 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I wanted to cut Wallace to give our young WRs opportunity. We need for a young receiver to break out. I like Chris Moore better than Perriman. We should draft a WR in the first 3 rounds. I like Davis in round1, Stewart, Westbrook and JuJu round2-3. 

Our young WRs as in all 2 of them? You know we need 6-7 receivers to feild a team right? And you wanted to give up our only current veteran in that group?

Im looking for Perriman , Patrick Onsuwaur , and Matt Judon to take that next step. Waller as well. Would be nice if Zadarius did but as of now I'm just not seeing it. KC is a big question mark. Moore can't do nothing but trend up BC he played god awful his rookie season. Had high hopes for Dixon but that suspension really dampened my expectations for him- hopefully he powers through and provides a spark in week 5 once the team really settles in and we begin to see things shape up. 

Several sources saying we are actually very close on a deal to bring back Ladarius Webb.

I certainly wouldn't mind if its cheap. He'd be great depth and has always been a team player.

Trying to decipher through the possible smokescreens; taking into account the FA signings and the performance of prospects at the combine/pro day while also considering our needs- I wanted to create a top 15 board for players we are MOST LIKELY to draft. Top 7 if we stay at 16 and top 8 if we trade back. Its my personal opinion that trading up will not be a consideration for us this year when taking into account how the board is likely to fall and considering the multiple holes we need to fill and the stacked talent in the middle rounds of the draft. It is also of my belief that the CB position which I originally thought was our best bet in the first- will NOT be addressed until the 2nd and probably even third round unless one of the top guys falls and others are also gone. This is due to multiple things that include injury but it mainly involves getting the best value in the first and still being able to land a starting caliber corner later on due to the depth in this particular draft. As you can see I also think a few players who have been recently mocked to us will not even be on our board in the first- including John Ross. Anyway here we go.

Pick 16:

1) Derek Barnett

2) Mike Williams

3) Rueban Foster

4) Marshon Lattimore

5) Corey Davis

6) Haasan Reddick

7)  Charles Harris 

TRADEBACK TARGETS

8) Tak McKinley 

9) Dan Feeney

10) Taco Charlton

11) Cam Robinson

12) Jabrill Peppers

13) Gareon Conley

14) Ryan Ramczyk

15) Tim Williams

17 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If you're bringing in Boldin, then that 1-2 year stopgap means that the guy you drafted isn't playing much for a year or two, or if at all.

Also think its naive to think Boldin is just going to be the #4. He was 2nd in targets on the Lions last year, and they have a lot more talented pass catchers on their roster than we did or do currently. I also don't really care so much about his TD numbers from last season, since they are unsustainable and show great inconsistencies throughout his career.

Plus, the obvious elephant in the room is why in the world he would want to come here to play. Detroit is very much in a better position to win now, and he could easily resign with them if he wanted to... among other teams.

If we're going to draft a possession receiver, the time to put him on the field is now. We risk practically nothing by doing so.

I beg to differ on Detroit being in a better position to win now. We were literally a few plays away from winning the north and we aren't going to miss the playoffs 3 years in a row. And once we get in we tend to play very well- Detroit doesn't- if they even make it. You've got the packers- the vikings- and also the bears who are trending up. If we draft a possession receiver he can still get just as much playing time with or without Boldin- thats up to the coach. Esp if we take a guy like Williams in the first. And either way we are pretty much definitely going to get a veteran receiver regardless ANYWAY right? - or else Wallace is our only real vet. Why not make it somebody who is familiar with Joe and will come super cheap? I just dont see us rolling into the season with a corps of wallace, perriman, and a draftee along with moore. If we do IMO thats asking for trouble. I understand your views on tds and i somewhat agree but Boldin has proved to be strong in the redzone- an area we have severely struggled with. And your right he very well may not wanna come here anyway- but he wants to play closer to his home in Florida- and if he doesn't get any offers from some of the teams down there well Baltimore is atleast a little closer lol.

13 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well its certainly debatable whether it makes perfect sense or not. It makes very little sense if you recognize that the same problem will exist this time next year if we take that approach.

Its a 1 or 2 year stop gap for likely a very cheap price and doesn't mean we can't draft a receiver ontop of that. ( which we will) ..we usually have 6-7 receivers on the roster. Right now we have 3. 4 if you want to include Campanaro which I'm sure many won't. He's the exact type of big bodied chain mover/ possession receiver Joe needs. We tend to struggle in the redzone which is where he excels. Had more TDs last year than our top 2 guys combined. Not to mention he already has a rapport with Joe- and he replaces that feisty vet leadership void left by steve. So there are certainly plenty of reasons why it makes ALOT of sense. Won't hurt anything to bring him in- he's not going to demand much money at all.  He'd be a #4 or #3 receiver at best. A corps of these guys doesn't really stand out - but would actually be pretty solid.

1) Wallace

2) Perriman

3) Draftee? ( Williams, Davis, Kupp)

4) Boldin

5) Campanaro

6) Moore

7) UDFA / Waller? 

On 3/29/2017 at 8:28 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

Are the rumors really heating up? Or is this just because John said he wouldn't mind having him back?

I'm not wasting my time talking about Boldin. It'll be another 2-3 months before he even thinks about signing with ANY team.

Thats on you. But besides the fact that it makes perfect sense this is the FA thread and that's what he is. The board probably won't be around by that time if we did decide to bring him back so I am going to discuss it now.

I think peanut is going to be the next udfa to step up and  ball out at the ILB position this season.

Rumors heating up about potential Boldin reunion.

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You think that's worth it for us though? I mean it's worth it sinc he's likely gone anyway, but I feel like a simple 5 spots in the second is not big and seems like the deal is missing something

I think that would absolutely be worth it. 5 spots in the 2nd round might not sound like much but that could make a huge difference in acquiring one of the top guys that falls such as TJ Watt. Jernigan could ball out this year and have the best season of his career or he could be a penalty machine who gets hurt and leaves after this season anyway..with the current state of our d line I'd take moving up 5 spots in the 2nd no question.

17 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I realise anything can happen on draft day but I wanted to put together a list of 10 players we will not / should not have a shot at with 16th pick. Any mock with one of these guys going to the Ravens I therefore find unrealistic, no matter what the rationale is.

1. Myles Garrett
2. Mike Williams
3. Reuben Foster
4. Jonathan Allen
5. Derek Barnett
6. Marshon Lattimore
7. Jamal Adams
8. Solomon Thomas
9. OJ Howard
10. Jabrill Peppers

Who would you add to or remove from this list?

I would take mike Williams, oj Howard and peppers off the list. Foster is a lonnngshot but would be one of them ones with a very slim chance to fall to us. I'd actually include Barnett in with foster too- like you said you never know.  The rest we won't even sniff unless a gas mask is involved.

Don't like the Ross pick but the rest is cool. We need a pass rusher in the first 3. Albeit We'd still have another comp in the third. For me its pass rusher/ OL in 1 and 2 and CB/WR with both thirds.