January J

He definitely could stand to get a little quicker- he seems a bit slow off the ball just from the few minutes of tape I've seen so far from camp. Ofcourse like I said earlier they aren't really playing at full speed without pads on and speed isn't one of his known attributes anyway. That said I am still highly optimistic on this guy and he will only get better. Boyle looks pretty beast too

like the F.O said - most of his drops were at the start of the season and decreased as the year progressed - insinuating that it isn't really a technique thing , it was more of an execution thing and that it's something he already has been working on and getting better at himself.

I actually just posted the same thing a few minutes ago- if anything he will be kept on as a returner - but Waller more so fits trestmans style- and we already have a handful of other talented receivers so he will really have to be lights out to make the roster.

I just don't see how we will be able to keep deandre carter - or else that means one of the other guys gets cut. So who's it gonna be- we already have SSS , Aiken , brown , perriman , camp , Waller , butler, worthy , carter - obviously there's no way we can carry that many . Would be nice if we could keep him on as a kick returner - I just don't think it's very likely.

I'm aware of that, the question still remains.

had a feelin you were going to say that- I actually accidentally left out the part in the texts from that jets game where the ball attendant dude (McNally?)actually said something along the lines of "Brady was upset about the balls", and then something like " yeah the refs screwed us they checked them afterwards". (Again I'm paraphrasing) - but yeah obviously this means there intention was to play with deflated balls but things didn't go according to plan that day.

it's so funny to think that Weeks before the draft ppl were saying the exact opposite. The minority of us kept sayin- just chill- let Ozzie do his thing - the draft is approaching. But no , nothin but panic. Thinkin Ozzie was done after the first couple waves of free agency, pssssh. And he still ain't done. He just saved us so much money and got us extremely younger. Almost time for them cuts and oz will be waiting to pounce. Can't tell much from the little bit of footage so far- but everything is looking good. Maxx Williams looked kind of slow- ofcourse they are not really playing full speed and that's not one of the attributes he's known for anyway. Perriman looking excellent from what I can see - so excited for him to be coached by engram and to be under the wing of SSS. Also have a really good feeling about Waller. This guy just looks like he's ready to ball. Anxious to see more from the defense.

I agree if your just returning kicks. But if your returning kicks and playing wide reciever obviously the more your on the feild - the more tackles your subject to- the higher the chance is for injury. But like you said feild position is extremely important- that's something the coach has to consider.

I like the analogy but it's a little off base. When you join the nfl you are mandated to do certain things like take drug tests etc. - but turning over your phone isn't one of them . If I was innocent of any wrong doing I wouldn't turn my phone over either.(not saying that he is) , in my opinion that part of it isn't the same thing. But even without the phone records there is still proof that he lied and it does seem like there was an effort of a coverup. So I think that will definitely come into play when a punishment is delivered- I just don't think him not turning over his phone is relevant. Even if it doesn't look very good. 12 games is way too harsh - compare that to the suspension Greg hardy just got and you will have another public outcry ,I could see the headline now - " the nfl places deflated footballs and domestic violence in the same category"

. I mentioned this in another post already- but if I'm not mistaken they have texts from earlier on in the year after a jets game on a rainy night in foxborough where Brady was complainin about the pressure of the footballs. It was also said he performed pretty badly that day- not that I think it matters. Not sure exactly where I heard this but I know it was circulating around several media outlets including espn- not sure if it was in the actual wells report. I for one ain't readin that massive thing ! But you can pretty much gather from that it was done more than once. That's not guessing that's actual evidence. Whether you choose to believe the evidence is on you. But common sense tells you they are not going to do something like that for the very first time in the championship game risking being punished right before the superbowl unless they've done it before and thought they could get away with it. Once again- if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a freakin duck. No need to overthink it.

if you watch the video of harbaughs speech to the rookies he said that Mosley approached him and made a comment about how long and tough the season was. Harbaugh was like dude it's not even December yet! Lol these guys might not see it in rookie camp- but wait until the ball gets Rollin and they will see the difference. I'm sure college is tough but the nfl is no joke- it takes a toll on you. I'm thinking that Carl Davis will fit in extremely well here. I just like the vibe he puts off. Also thinkin that upshaw busts out this year and dominates.

all we can do is hope for the best! He knows his body better than we do- granted he may be blinded by his desire to see the feild again to continue living his dream- but can't blame him. Pittas a smart guy- I think he knows the risk he's taking. I've got faith in this guy- and even if he doesn't make it back to the feild he will still be remembered.

Hope perriman signs soon- rookies need to be careful out there practicing before they sign a contract. Fowler of the jaguars just tore his acl on the first day of rookie camp and hadnt signed his contract yet. Now I think there is a rule where teams are still obligated to negotiate with the player in good faith- but I'm sure it would have been much more beneficial to have already had an agreement.

one difference between PED use and this is while PED use is giving an athletic advantage to one player- deflating footballs possibly benefits the entire team. But generally it is somewhat similar.

You got that right- ESP after he's botched several incidents over the last few years and gets boo"d every time he makes a public appearance -you can bet he cares about public backlash. I agree that it pretty much should be in the same category as PED use- but like we were saying - you have to take into account the lying, and perhaps the fact that they are repeat offenders. I don't necessarily think bellechek should be punished- mainly bc there is nothing that directly ties him to any of this. But common sense tells me that with his great attention to detail and his extremely close relationship with Brady, that he was Atleast somewhat aware of what was going on. He seemed a lot more convincing than tom did In his press conference - so maybe he honestly didn't know- or maybe he's just a better liar. He's obviously smarter than Brady, and probably 75% of the ppl he's around. So he probably just wisely kept himself seperated from all of it. Ofcourse that's just speculation. But should he be accountable as the one who oversees the team is the question.

Wow, what a shame . The cornerback curse continues

I don't know why ppl always bring up the Aaron Rodgers comment. Yes he likes his footballs on the high side of the Legal spectrum. The difference is this is within the rules. There are obviously set rules for a reason - or else teams would be going out there with a damn near flat football. Yes Brady played several quarters with the properly inflated footballs and performed very well. He's a spectacular quarterback. Which confirms nothing other than his stupidity bc it was absolutely unnecessary ! You say it's lame but cheating is cheating and I kind of wish these things would be lumped together -it would make the scaling a lot easier bc there are already set punishments. In my opinion sticky gloves - spraying uniforms with cooking oil- putting Vaseline on your arms - and deflated footballs are all generally the same type of violations and should warrant (generally) the same type of punishment. However The difference with Brady and the pats is this isn't really their first rodeo- they've been accused of cheating before. And also Brady evidentially lied his tail off during that press conference. So instead of just a small fine and slap on the wrist I think it now warrants a short suspension of Atleast a game or two. I also have a feeling that there will be a few more developments in this whole deflate gate thing in the upcoming week. We will see what happens.

don't like it either - esp with the concentration drops. But man can he fly!

getting younger is always a good thing . Ray Lewis preached about this last year.

lol me too! Was a blessing in disguise

personally I would take the word of several NFL hall of famers that have stated what affect it plays on the game. I have heard Jerome bettis , cris carter, mark brunell , and several others ( some who were even Brady's past teammates) state that deflated footballs can be easier to throw, easier to catch, and easier to grip- making it harder to fumble. I don't know about you but id take the word of nfl veterans over hear-say and theories.

. 1) your right- in the court of public opinion. But I don't really care about the publics reaction. I care about the integrity of the game- which he violated . Doesn't matter if he threw for 500 yards or threw 5 picks. And although we have a incompetent commissioner that has been on the chopping block lately and will probably Take public opinion into consideration doesn't mean that's right. Problem is nothing like this has ever really happened before so there's no general baseline to follow. However I think Vincent Jackson will look at this thing with open eyes and give a fair unbiased punishment- and my hope would be that "public opinion" plays no role in that. Bc that's how it should be. 2) it's not impossible to know when there are texts from earlier on in the year implicating him. If I'm not mistaken there were texts after a jets game earlier in the season on a rainy night in foxborough where Brady was complaining about the footballs. Sounds like evidence to me. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a freakin duck.

Pitta doin his thing !!

it's tough bc I want them to go hard in practice but They also need to be careful. Jaguars just lost there number one pick donte fowler jr. For the season with an acl tear on the first day of camp. Talk about bad luck. That's one thing we don't need. Talk about a buzz kill.

the outcome of the game and Brady's performance with or without regulated balls is completely irrelevant. If anything that just shows his stupidity bc it was absolutely unnecessary for him to cheat to perform at a high level. Cheating is cheating. And come on bro- do you honestly think that was the only game they did that ? Yeah they blew out the colts but what about the week before against the ravens when they only beat us by 4? Very possible it could have been done in that game- and that very well could have been the difference in those 4 points. Maybe if our balls were a little deflated that ball doesn't bounce off Owen Daniels hands in the back of the endzone ? There's endless possibilities - if it's not a level playing feild for each team it really hurts the integrity of the game. I'm not one of these crazy heads that think Brady needs to be suspended for 8 games - but a fairly harsh punishment is due. Now back to the greatest safety of all time !