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safe to say everyone who enjoys rooting for this team is frustrated with the lack of success the Ravens have had with all the promise Flacco and the Ravens showed. The Ravens have not been the perennial playoffs contender we all thought they would be. The reality is that the problems do not begin or end on one side of the ball or a player for that matter. Luck has not been on our side over the last couple of years, can you imagine what could have been if Kubiak stayed with us and Flacco?

we are all frustrated

17 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Yup in Buffalo now with McDermott--we have no OL coach right now...not sure who is on our radar. Obviously we would all love Dennison in such a position and I am sure he would be great for that position. Mike Tice's contract has expired with the Raiders, he would be an even better pickup imo, he sits in that rank of OL coaches of Callahan, Tom Cable, Scarnecchia, and Munchak who just really elevate the play of OL

I haven't heard that guys name is a LONG time

8 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Not with pitta starting.. 

Maybe it's a sign he won't be starting anymore and to be honest I don't think he should because he can not block. We drafted Maxx way to high to keep him on the bench

50 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

And he sucked this year

Exactly, no run game or defense and all of the sudden the ship sunk.

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

While I think we address pass rusher or CB in the first round, I wont argue a playmaker is needed here.  Outside of Fournette, Cook, Williams is there any that stand out? This is getting off topic, damn

Any guy, offense or defense....as long as we feel he is the best pick there. I watched Fournette since last year, would be nice to have a real RB again...Dixon shows promise though.

11 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I loved RR, I have numerous signed gear from him and photos.  I think if Joe had a guy like that we wouldn't have seen such bad play these last two years.  RR was easily a top 5 rb and was catching 50+ balls after his rookie year, finding him in the second was huge.  Look at how much an offense can change with guys like Bell, Elliot, and im really intrigued to see what happens with Fournette.  Also, I wonder if the Rams would trade Gurley, not for us just curious. 

I have been saying this for a while, can you imagine Ray in Kubiaks system with Flacco? His off the field misconduct set us back in my opinion worse than any released player or injury we had. That being said, nobody knows just how effective he was going to be considering he looked bad his last year with us. He was positioning himself that year to have a big year, lost weight and was healthy. What a pity, I hope he and his wife found the peace they needed to never harm each other and disrespect each other anymore. That was disgusting and shameful.

I miss Ray Rice

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I still think if the Ravens deside to cut ties with Wallace then they need another deep threat. Desean Jackson is a name to toss out but I have a feeling he will be payed more than Wallace is currently getting. They need a chain mover badly more than anything. I think the team needs to hold onto Wallace so Flacco can have a little bit of consistency. 

Wallace played well, why would we release him?

4 hours ago, Hardbaugh said:

Flacco is a game manager. The two seasons he's been counted on to do more than game managing has been an unmitigated disaster at the quarterback position.

IMO they were this past season and the last season with Caldwell. The problem is Flacco's payday says he can bring to the table more than what he does.

The main problems with his game is he doesn't see the whole field as well as other quarterbacks do (that can't be fixed), he's constantly late with his throws because he doesn't process what he sees quickly enough (that can't be fixed) and he lacks situational (can't be fixed) and pocket awareness (can't be fixed).

Those are issues with his game I've always complained about but nine years in those and others still ail his game. Going forward it looks like Flacco has lost something off his fastball and that could mean big issues for him because touch and accuracy has never been his forte.

 

The injury issue is just an excuse. The front office made a huge mistake paying this guy and then compounded the mistake by extending him. The Ravens will do nothing until the contract is off the books. Coaching isn't the problem, Flacco and his bloated contract is.

Game managers don't win Superbowl MVP........but go on. You're right, the front office made a mistake and should have let Flacco walk after a SB season? Are you nuts? You know how far it would have set us back? Do you even realize how few Qb's even play well in the playoffs?

Flacco deserves criticism, but to call him a game manager? Seriously? Did you call him that when we went to the SB? Or when we were close to knocking out the Pats with Kubiak? 

Flacco has lost trusted targets and an O-line which included Matt Birk.... 

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

This is my thing right here. If we are going to critique him let's do it, but at least be honest and objective on both sides. I can't tell you how many times I bashed Joe for throwing off his back foot earlier in the season, but he got better with it. The "worse call ever' saga I placed squarely on Joe because you still have to go out and make smart decisions especially in the redzone. Joe missed a slant route to Aiken for a TD early in the NE game that could have changed the complexion of that game. Joe being so quick to throw to the check down is something I've be hard on him about this year. But it seems like with certain poster, they bash Flacco without substance and when you challenge them, you either get called a homer or they don't reply at all. 

I agree with you, as the year went on his mechanics improved and his pocket awareness did to. All in all and I was much happier in the 2nd half of the season with him, that being said the production from the defense dipped and when called upon he did make some HORRIBLE throws (Eagles game)

He needs to play better, and he will now that he has had a year to comeback from that injury and an O-line coming back healthy

3 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

I did not know it was 2 games.  I apologize.   Looking at the game Julio wasn't there, it didn't affect him statistically.  

I find it a little funny how some folks here find the smallest of details  protect joe, but never answer rest of statement i made.  

 

I suppose 11 TD @ 11 games is more than fine enough to be ignored im sure.

 

You have no idea how big a deal Julio Jones is for an offense do you? He is arguably the best WR in the league. He lines up everywhere and does every single thing a WR can do on the field with better hands than ODB (spectacular catches don't mean a thing over sure hands, ask Eli yesterday)

We do not ignore Joe and his struggles, but your point was Matt leading or should I say carrying the team without Julio and that just is not true.

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Julio Jones played in 14 games, had 83rec 14,000yds and 6TDs. 14 out of 16 games isn't missing half the season. Not to mention the 2 games that Julio missed were the 9ers and Rams, I'd hardly call them studs defensively. I give Matt Ryan all the credit in the world for what he's done this season, but if we're calling a spade a spade, well. 

Seeing as thought both SSS and Wallace had better  production than Sanu and Gabriel i'd say you're right to say SSS and Wallace are better, when you have a freak that can put up 300 yards a single game and often draws double if not triple teams, I'd say it's safe to say he impacts coverage for those guys. Again calling a spade. 

LMAO I was waiting for someone else to catch that. If we are going to critique Joe then let's do it. Do not pretend like his team has anywhere near as much talent as other teams because that's a lie.

3 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Offensive line is more important than wide receivers.

Also: see the system.

Also also: see the Patriots' punishing running game.

Also also also: see the Patriots' balanced attack.

Are you caught up now?

Guess which running back leads the league this year with TD's....NEVER EVER GUESS lol

1 minute ago, gtalk12 said:

Julio missed what??????????????????????????

He actually missed 2 games.

But you know....same thing as half a season....

7 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Im pretty sure Mike Wallace and SSS is better than Gabriel & Sanu.  With Julio missing half a season Ryan led Falcons to a bye-season.

Tom Brady has Edelman and another random receiver that pads stats every game.    Don't tell me Edelman is a premier receiver.  He drops at least +5 balls a game but Brady still moves the chain.   

If you play great, you can move the chain and score points.   

If you told me with SSS & Mike Wallace that a QB will go 11TD in 11 games to start the season that is no good.   Whatever way you want to spin it.

Julio missed what??????????????????????????

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea the weak division has a lot to do with it. But when he plays out of division he still plays pretty well. He destroys teams like the Steelers, Bengals, Chiefs and Colts. The only teams that seemingly give him issues are the Ravens and Broncos. So even if the Pats weren't in the East, I still think they'd be a strong team. 

Brady definitely has talent around him, i'd never say that. I was speaking more to the things he does with guys who aren't as special. I watched a offseason workout with Edleman and those guys work hard to make that Patriots system work, down to the smallest details. So I was just speaking to Brady's accomplishments withing in really great system. But he definitely has had talent around him and the truth is, the Pats have tried to surround Brady with 1st and 2nd round talent as well, they just missed on those guys. 

They at least give him very good O-line. remember those commercials with his offensive lineman? lol they were funny

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I know the weak division has a lot to do with it, but Brady has only missed the playoffs like one time his entire career. I can't stand him, but I respect his greatness. It doesn't matter who he has around him, the combination of he and Billcheat will find a way to get it done by hook or crook

by far the weakest division, I live in South Florida so I'm forced to watch the Bills, Jets, and Miami do nothing. Brady when he makes his runs to the SB always has talent around him. Brady has done more usually with less on offense compared to Manning.

23 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

My point is the REGULAR season. It would be nice to read the actual post.

again, who does? this isn't basketball where one player can will his team on both sides of the ball....there are over 30 players coming in and out of ONE game

22 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

We are expecting him to play up to his salary and to the salary as other QBs in that class.

It's pretty clear you did not read that.

FLACCO is NOT a QB that can carry a team to the playoffs. So knowing that, then surround him with player's that can carry the load.

Who can? there are too many pieces on a team for a QB as talented as he may be to actually "carry" a team into the playoffs. Name me one QB who carried the team on his own and Ill look at the roster.

34 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

Ten years = 0 Pro Bowls. And now in his 11th year, we are expecting him to play to the level of a Pro Bowler that can carry the team.

My point is Flacco needs MORE good players than other QBs that we are expecting him to play to. The reality is at some point, Flacco supporters need to call a spade a spade and stop expecting him to be THAT type of QB.

We need to surround the team to compensate for his weaknesses. And to mention him in the same breath as Rodgers especially in the regular season is a joke.

Here's my question then, why does he play so well in the big games as opposed to the less meaningful regular season games? Is it because he has better players surrounding him in the playoffs? 

The player's surrounding him are the exact SAME.

And also forgot to mention, with the exception of the Seahawks, you can't name a SB champ in recent memory to win a chip with LESS talent then we had on offense.

20 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

Ten years = 0 Pro Bowls. And now in his 11th year, we are expecting him to play to the level of a Pro Bowler that can carry the team.

My point is Flacco needs MORE good players than other QBs that we are expecting him to play to. The reality is at some point, Flacco supporters need to call a spade a spade and stop expecting him to be THAT type of QB.

We need to surround the team to compensate for his weaknesses. And to mention him in the same breath as Rodgers especially in the regular season is a joke.

Here's my question then, why does he play so well in the big games as opposed to the less meaningful regular season games? Is it because he has better players surrounding him in the playoffs? 

The player's surrounding him are the exact SAME.

Really now? That is an interesting statement, here are some facts.

Our superbowl year the following players were pro-bowlers Yanda, Ray Rice, Ngata and Ed Reed. Our ranking for offense and defense was noted and nowhere NEAR the dominant defense. This we all know..

That's it...Joe went on a run and the rest is history. Here is a look at the recent SB winners.

Broncos with by FAR the most dominating 1-2 combo on the defensive line I have ever seen and can remember (im 25) and they literally carried Manning into a SB chip. That defense was incredible and dismantled Cam and the Panthers need I remind you. not to mention all the weapons at WR he had which included Emmanuel Sander and D Thomas at the WR positions.

The year before? the Pats, Bradys weapon of choice? Edleman and GRONK not to mention a defense that included Revis and Browner/ Mcourty and Chung

Seahawks, the offense did not even need to show up...honestly...embarrassed Manning.

So this whole he needs more than every other QB argument is ridiculous, he needs SOMETHING....that being said, he needs to play better but do not make him seem like he needs a golden path laid out for him.

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I agree. This is the biggest factor to me and exactly why a big part of me wanted to keep Marty around. He has his issues no doubt, just want to make sure I say that because I don't want this to be about him. But the system isn't broken, the players just have to develop better. 

The talent is clearly here, it's just getting these guys comfortable in the system enough to be the on same page at all times. I can't tell you how many times I saw guys running routes to the same spot on the field or just looking like they didn't know their assignments. That will improve with a full offseason in the offense, so I don't worry about that too much. But those guys must step up and play better going forward. In the last day or so I went back and broke down the Dallas and Pit games offensively. The amount of times that SSS and Pitta couldn't win against LBs were sickening. The amount of times Flacco had to hold the ball because Wallace and Perriman didn't run good enough routes painted a very clear picture of why this offense struggled. In the Dallas game Pitta was covered by a DE lol. I can't put everything on the coaches.

If you give the offense a quality Center and a strong route runner at WR, I think this offense explodes honestly. I really like Perriman, Waller, Maxx, Dixon, Boyle, and 4/5 of the offensive line moving forward. Given his development and opportunities I think Moore can replace Wallace as a 3rd or 4th option. But like you said guys like Perriman, Waller and Maxx developing will be key. 

Really need to see these 2 guys playing together

12 hours ago, YorkCountyRaven said:

We NEED to draft a CB. I know pass rush is a problem and Cook is tempting but we have Dixon who I have faith is our future. And please give Matt Judon time. If Kaufusi can come back and not have a injury hangover he can also add as well. We know Suggs and Doom will prob get the start. But we really have a question mark at #2 CB we don't have a legitimate #2. Tavon's a great nickel. The Steelers and Pats have like 9million threats catching the ball someone needs to cover them.

I see Takk McKinley like everywhere for us which I wouldn't hate but... PLEASE OZZIE TAKE JONES or JACKSON or KING hell take tredavious white for all I care... I hope Lattimore declares for the draft so he will be on the board as well. Tim Williams in the 2nd.

I also saw an article saying Malik Hooker. Who is an amazing player but not sure how he would help.

If we did go offense please go Corey Davis or something like that. I honestly don't think we have a true #1 receiver.

A good CB or a good DE/OLB fixes the same issue. One gives the D-line more time to work and the other gives the QB less time to throw. I wouldn't mind either as long as it's the best player available. Hey if its a S then grab him even if we don't need him.

17 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I dont see any resemblance in the two.  I feel Rice was a lot more shifty and Dixon kind of just powers through holes.  But its still early to judge

Dixon is a much more powerful runner.

On ‎12‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 4:35 AM, Davesta said:

I think Dixon is taking over next year. This feels like ray rice rookie year when he split reps with McGhee then eventually became the workhorse. I think more pressing needs like OL, DL, WR should be drafted. But you know Ozzie, BPA.

but if some how Fournette drops to us, youre not taking him?

Oz isn't going Cook. I do not think Cook is the 16th best player in the draft.