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14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He led a TD drive in the second half and put them at the 22 before Shanahan called two pretty inexcusable pass plays.

Flacco only led the Ravens to 10 points and threw two interceptions in the second half.

Flacco and the offense put us up by 14 twice that game. That was until the defense completely was massacred, Brady attacked one side of the field....they even threw in a WR throw for a TD.........

2 hours ago, redrum52 said:

...our offense damn near did the same thing vs the Niners.  They managed all of 6 points the 2nd half.

 

There's 2 playoff games I feel that are comparable.  Divisional vs Pats and vs Steelers.  Just know I didn't even get of that Steelers game til the we knocked them out the playoffs combined with having a SB at that time and the Pats loss still stinks cause that was a wasted opportunity.  This could sit with the Falcons til Ryan to retires if he never wins one.

our offense also managed to move the chains in the second half. Remember all those big thows to Boldin? On top of that we get the luckiest halftime performance by having the lights shut off.

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I've never heard that the NFL is rigged more than after this SB. I almost believe it. The comeback almost seem staged. The Falcons just played dead and they were in FG range twice in the 4th, but opted to throw instead of kill clock and kick the FG? 

They gave it to their MVP to make a play, and look at the turn out

2 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

If y'all are going to say that Ryan choked away the game last night, which he didn't, at least say that Flacco choked the game away against the Patriots with two 14 point leads and throwing a pair of interceptions, but nah, Flacco for president because of what he did four years ago. At least Ryan can read defenses at this point of his career. 

Flacco thows 4 TDS, everyone knows the reason we lost that game was bc of injuries to our secondary.....Ryan did nothing in the 2nd half....If the Flacons were going to win it was going to have to be through their high scoring offense.....2 TDs from Ryan was not going to cut it

19 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

joe got a deal where they spected xactly that!  if joe was costin 10 mill a yr, (maybes his truth value), maybe less problem

well mat ice ryan is a big ticket qb too. pricey. but hes earnin  closer to it

nope jus sayin if 2014 was as good as it gets the real value is defanitly trade value.  wasn't disagreein that the kubiak yr was one of joes better yrs. jus that he did not excell even then.  his best yr was like 2010 but neither good nuff to pay like we pay. as goes the pats they wuld have found a way to beat us fur sur. they always do. cept when we had our superstars. doan remember 2014 being the uge injury yr, that was 2015, but we was down in the secondary. had nothing. maybe we a lick better there now.

hate to be the bringer of bad news, but anyone thinkin joe is leadin us on is sererious hopin. id take a first and second for him in a ny minute but I kno we can get two 1's if we don't delay. sam darnold is out there and id hate to mis him

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1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

LMAO!  The Ravens would have been recognized as the dumbest franchise on the planet.

if you ask most of the guys on this forum, apparently there are options I nor the organization could foresee lol 

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Ugh. Fine. Want something done right you better do it yourself.

1. This is why fans don't run NFL teams. That decision would have run us into the ground and instead of us being a "losing" organization(which is more attributable for us not retaining certain players and/or certain players getting older) we'd be trash. That off-season there was the worst QB class in recent memory.

your choices were
EJ Manuel(who sucks)
Geno Smith(who sucks)
mike Glennon(good backup. Not a starter though)
Tyler Wilson(who's out of the league. Because he sucked)

the draft after, we could've taken Mariota(who's probably going to be injury prone in the future even though he's pretty good) 
Winston(who we probably wouldn't have considered due to character concerns)
Derek Carr(only QB on here who's not only great, but the only one I'd honestly take over Flacco).

You clearly have no understanding of how difficult it is to find a franchise QB. At all. 

2. Okay ravensECONbeast let's talk the economics of the NFL for a second and allow me to teach you something. Economics is predicated around supply and demand. The supply of QBs who have won a sb in the league is very low(Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, Flacco, Manning, Brady) Flacco has proven he can do it, and he was the catalyst for it. Even if his supporting cast was good during the run, a good supporting cast can be put to waste by a truly lousy QB. See. Brock Oswilier, and all the Arizona QBs post warner and pre Palmer. Yet, the demand is high. We have 31(except the browns since they seem to be content with sucking) teams who want someone who can do what Flacco has done. That's why idiots like Colin Kaepernick, Jay Cutler and Brock Osiwiler got paid as much as they did. Had we let him go, he could've gone to a team that was a QB away from being very good, say the Arizona cardinals, and turned them into a better organization than they had been over the past 5 years. Or the Houston Texans. Hell, even coming off an injury, if Flacco is on THIS YEARS Texans team, with Hopkins, Fuller, CJ, and Lamar Miller, and a very good defense, we might be talking about them in the SB right now. 

And mind you, half of the fan base stood with you. Fans had no influence on this decision. Letting him go would've been a death sentence for us as a franchise. We had no choice but to keep him.

Just. Smh

Someone gets it finally...sheesh....Flacco does not have to be Drew Brees at all. They can blame him all they want for our failures but he is not the biggest issue nor is the amount we paid him either. Look at the market and tell me who we could have replaced him with? Look at what QB's that have accomplished less are getting paid. It's as if they do not see what is going on around the league and how teams are being constructed to win. 

2012, let's pretend we let Joe walk after a SB win.....then what? 

On ‎1‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 8:22 PM, RayRayRaven said:

kubeik s year was joes best?  Kubeik proved joe coul d do it every year?  omg  joe had a 91 pass ratin a great play action pass game and still threw 12 picks. I feel sick and am goin to bed on this

Did you forget the yards and TD's? or.....

Seriously what games where you watching? Do you even realize how good of an offense we had that year? How balanced the attack was and how efficient Flacco looked? I can not believe I am arguing this point with a fellow Raven fan that supposedly watches the games. Had our defense not gone down with all those injuries we would have placed Brady and the Pats to bed.

You want to be critical? Go ahead and do so, but do not be null and void of the facts. Kubiaks tenure here was Flaccos best if not PROVE me wrong and tell me when he managed to surpass 27TD's??

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 1:37 AM, ravensnation5220 said:

 https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000690216/article/sources-tell-us-what-were-hearing-about-fsu-rb-dalvin-cook?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcollege-football%3Bplyr%3Djamaal_charles&p.ct=CFB 24%2F7&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23ffffff&p.bgc1m=%23000000&sr=amp

That's were the quote came from

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13252235/dalvin-cook-florida-state-seminoles-strike-woman-attorney-says

And some other info on the topic

The problem here is that it's not just one incident. That's what worries me. Kinda like the Tim Williams problem. It's a repeated off the feild issue with these kids

They are kids, it's time to act like adults and talk to them and straighten them out. I understand that this is something they as young men need to do for themselves however, this is a work environment that rewards it's employers with stellar play...not a model citizen. If this guy is the best available, we can not afford not to pick him up. The same way we passed on Tyronn Mathieu*

On ‎1‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 10:19 AM, RavensDieHard21 said:

My biggest knock on Flacco is he still lacks coverage diagnosis 9 years later. He often doesn't see the opening in the zone until the receiver passes it. He rather ever audibles at the line, which seems to be coaching not trusting him. He also curls up the second he sees pressure coming. He never makea over aggressive defenses pay by exposing their weaknesses by using screens or attacking the holes in coverage 

You know what is very odd about this (I agree with you that it seems like Flacco doesn't see what the defense is doing) is that come playoff time the play calling always changes, DRASTICLY. It seems to work entirely on Joe's strengths to which he then proceeds to be everything we could possibly want from a QB in the playoffs. Something is off about that, Caldwell unleashed Joe and we had success in the playoffs with Cam C as well.

Kubiak was the only one to use Flacco DURING the regular season.....all of the concerns we had about Joe vanished that year...

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Well because a lot of the talent has been on offense. Hasn't really ever had a great offensive line, nor even a serviceable defense.

I will point out that this season is a great example of when fans start labeling QBs as guys who "can't win playoff games" or "can never lead their team to a SB" should probably pump the brakes a bit. 

There was a time where we lumped guys like Flacco, Romo, Ryan, Stafford, etc. all in a group and said "these guys will never lead a team to a SB". And then some of these guys do. We even lumped in guys like Cam Newton into that group at one point.

Hopefully fans learn something from this. Just because a QB doesn't win a SB in his first like 5-6 years doesn't mean he never will.

 

Matt has been on some very good teams...he got the brakes beat off of him during big games in the playoffs.

19 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Flacco should at least try to build some rapport with those 2 guys @ offseason.   To build on that we can draft a receiver and lineman @ draft im sure.   I have a feeling we will add another veteran FA WR in the market.   Not sure how our market caps are but I don't like the inclination that we don't do anything to help Flacco.

At some point, Flacco has to lead and get better this offseason.  Dont you agree?  

How about Matt Ryan turning a 8-8 season with the same crew to becoming a SB contender?    If Matt has the will to self-improve, Flacco can also.   I like to see Flacco bringing in Maxx & Perriman to his place instead of hanging out with Pitta all the time to get something going.

 

Agreed

1 hour ago, AnthonyGames said:

Agree with Perriman, Judon, Maxx, and Dixon. I'm going to go with improvement of run game, the 2017 rookie class, and delveopment of 2016 class. 

The 2016 class can go down as our best draft ever. Stanley at LT. Correa at ILB. Tavon Young at CB. Dixon at RB. Judon at OLB. Alex Lewis at guard. Then, imangine if Kafusi and Henry can contribute...that is a young nucleus that's looking great. 

We draft a legit center and CB, and a high cieling pass rusher. Sign FA WR and now ILB and I'm feeling reaaaal good. 

Very bold statement considering we drafted Ogden and Ray in one draft......I am curious

48 minutes ago, I*Bleed*Purple said:

No, John Elway wouldn't take our doofus QB. 

here we go

I came back to this thread just to get sad again.....smh....this is about as sad as Willis having to retire early. It sucks because it shows how much guys like him love this game.

He really had some much potential that he was just starting to scratch at.

On ‎1‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 3:51 PM, Virginia 55 said:

Can we put Flacco on that list?  I'm really curious how many teams would want him at his current contract.  

The reason we are stuck with him is because nobody in the league will take him at his current number. 

You don't think the Broncos would love him there? With that cast of WR's? With his arm in that stadium? sheesh...

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 7:56 PM, nextgen_RavensFan said:

I wish we could stop comparing ourselves to the Steelers. They have a great system that can develop Offensive weapons and we can not and never could. We were good at drafting many moons ago and lived off of that success for years but never got "lucky" in the draft again so we never replaced the talent. Now, just like the past few seasons it is showing. The organization dropped the ball on the contract with Joe, way too much money for him. How many teams can afford a top tier QB and field top tier receivers ? Teams need to be able to develop the young guys like the Patriots, Packers Steelers and many others do but we just for some reason develop receivers. The defensive side is not much better in developing talent, CB's, Safeties etc. 

drafting and retaining players have been the biggest issues as of late in the offseason

wow smh, this sucks

23 hours ago, Bltravens said:

Flacco is essentially Kerry Collins playing in a different era of football.  Nothing wrong with it, you can win with a Kerry Collins as seen by his many years of playing decently well on decent teams.  However he needs helps to get there as he'll inexplicably crap the bed some weeks.  It is what it is, he's not elite, never has been, he's also not trash, never has been.  He's like an 8-12 range QB depending on his year.  Its foolish to think he's actually worth the contract he got and its foolish to think you can just find a QB that wins as often as Flacco in any draft.  I don't know his contract particulars for dead money but I'd be looking long and hard at him in 2 years when he's 35.

Collins? Really? A guy who for his career only won 3 playoff games? Last I checked nobody won with Kerry Collins.

This pisses me off

55 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

 

Bell was a 2nd rd pick so someone we passed on in that dreadful 2013 draft of ours. Know who we took instead? Elam. I mean, supposedly it's BPA and all that right? That says something.  Yes Elliot was gone before our pick so there is that I suppose. But they aren't the only examples nor is WR the only position.

We aren't hitting in the draft. Sure you can't call them failures - I get Stanley & Moseley are successful - but I was speaking impact players. Where are they since 2008?

And what is the "big solution" already stated? Oh yeah  yet another veteran WR on his last legs. Imagine if we gave up trying to just plug a hole so the ship doesn't sink and got a Smith SR or Boldin in his prime. Nope let's just keep on bailing out the water.

It isn't something I am saying we should do every draft but when there is a Dupree, Shazier, Bell, Elliott, Julio to be had - perhaps we stop hording useless picks and trade up. Just saying.

 

Did not need a RB at the time, Ray Rice was the guy

all this crying about Flacco has forced to me to watch other Qb's who "hit their receivers" in stride and it's BS. Rogers threw a pass that was under thrown for a TD. His receiver adjusted his body accordingly and made the play. He then rolled into the end zone. I don't want to hear anymore how Flacco may over or under throw some targets, if you can make a play then make it. EVERY QB doesn't put it right in your hands, sometimes all they can do is give you a shot to make the play.

Why is this thread still going? what else can we possibly stress about Flacco improving and the front office putting better pieces around him. We know what must be done.

Every team left standing how a weapon with the exception of Rogers who's playing out of his mind.

2 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Yeah l know. Those losses not really even affect them besides maybe Russell Okung. But they made the right decision in keep their defensive players instead rather than keeping the offensive line because that will keep them in the playoff hunt every year. Russell Wilson is mobile so he could help the offensive line in some cases. 

I feel like Maxwell for that team was a big loss

1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

Then that great management because Russel Wilson is a mobile QB. They kept their defense intact rather than offense and that's why they been in the playoffs in recent years. The Ravens don't manage their cap well... what to sign and what to keep. When it's the time that they need to keep a player they can't afford them. It seems like a tradition. They do it to many times. Once in a while they might not be able to afford somebody and l could understand that but it seems like it's all the time. 

Brandon Browner and Maxwell left the squad as did their best OL