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13 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's got a true injury bug. He doesn't have multiple freak injuries, he just has one small nagging injury after another. He just isn't built for this

I know, it sucks. He showed potential during those few flashes though. I would think this season is his last chance to make an impression.
Fingers crossed for Mike, go out there and represent #15 (my lucky number)!

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would take Justin hardy in a heartbeat. I was shocked to find out he was only 5'10" because he looked like he was playing at 6'2" on film the way he was catching in coverage. 

He was a good prospect coming out, really wasn't much to dislike about his tape. As a slot receiver for us he would get force fed the ball and get this... he would actually catch it lol. He's got great hands and I haven't seen him in the pros but he was a nifty route runner at ECU. He would probably be the third best receiver on the ravens, which is more an indictment on the ravens than anything, but an upgrade is an upgrade. 

One word: Camp! Another word tho: health! 

1 hour ago, atomicfront said:

You are saying 190 yards and 20 receptions is your over and under?  I am sure there are ton of undrafted guys out there that could do much more than that if they were top 2 on the Ravens.   Torrey put up 1100 yards in his third season. I would say anything under 800 yards would be a big disappointment at this point. Shoot Aiken got more than that when he was a top 2 receiver.  

I guess I got carried away, over exaggerating to prove a point  Then let's say the threshold is 800 yards - imo Perriman exceeds that with a clean bill of health. IMO you can't say he underperforms once again, with 650 yards, if he's out half the season with an injury. As I recall he had no injury concerns coming out of college - it's part of the game and happens to everybody. 

I will agree that we need to add some experienced depth (a Boldin type guy), and I'm convinced Ozzie is at work trying to make that happen as we speak.

Torrey put up 1100 as he was the number 1 (only viable) target. Let's see what Perriman does in his first season as a starter.

10 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

only a yr away wow think i'll wait til the team actuly gets in the playofs and makes it past a rd for I say the superbowel is here

well thats cristal clear he is strugglin some wiff defence to now

u wuldnt be the firse raven to misjudge boldin, torey and jacobys worth. biggar fish than you hav dropped that ball heck even kubiac culdnt get his head rnd jacoby

 

truar words nevah written

ur askin periman to make a monument jump will have to see if firse

torrey is stil young Wallace gassed out on us last yr an we need 10 tds from him wil he delivar? likely the only reason pitta is still a raven is the injury an joe gets use to a guy and pitta is his guy.  by know the front office has to now u cant take joes go to guys from him he doan adjust well

I don't think I'm misjudging, but to each his own. I specifically stated that I like Torrey, and Boldin + Jacoby as well for that matter. I was merely comparing the talent level of the to receiver corps, and personally I don't think the SB cast was significantly more talented than the current one. That's where the discussion started. Add to that the FACT that Ozzie will add another weapon before the season - perhaps our old friend Anquan. Then I think this passing offense is ready to produce adequately along with a suffocating defense.
However, this all depends on the line blocking, the running game becoming viable, and Joe's confidence and comfort level returning to pre-injury status. 

7 hours ago, atomicfront said:

Well so far Perriman hasn't produced like Torrey did.  I believe in giving him a chance to be one of our top 2 but we still need another proven wide receiver on the team.  To go into the receiving core we have now is likely to lead to a season where we don't compete.  

We are all aware of that. Are you aware that Torrey played his rookie season allowing him to gather yards in about 32 games? Did you know that Torrey was the only dependable WR other than Anquan (that's how despicable depth was back then compared to now imo) so he had a good amount of targets as the #2? More targets usually equals better production simply through more opportunity. Did you know that Torrey hasn't really had to deal with injury throughout his career, thus allowing him to hone his craft consistently without major setbacks?

To your second point: rest assured, Ozzie will add another veteran presence to the WR corp. No need to worry about it 4 months from the season.
Perriman will get a starting shot this season. If he stays healthy throughout the season yet underperforms in a mad way; say 20 rec/190 yards/1 TD, then I'll happily agree with your statements and worries. But I hardly doubt that's gonna happen, do you?

In relation to player health and injuries: they just happen. You can only carry 53 players on the squad (and likely a max of 6 WRs) so how do you select your corp. Mediocre/aging players with no history of injury? And do you simply discard a player with immense potential and talent because he had a knee injury?  

11 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

Both free agents

Yup, that's why I mentioned them. Think they'd be good fits. We probably can't afford both so if the FO is most concerned about RT they might target Dunlop. Vice versa if Center is most concerning Mangold would be the target obviously.

11 hours ago, Davesta said:

Trade for Nelson agholor for a bag of peanuts and hope a change in scenery will work for him. His stock gotta be at a all time low, he just have to get over that mental hurdle 

That could be interesting, and he might come at a very reasonable price as you mention.

1 hour ago, atomicfront said:

Why was Perriman the 3rd or 4th option.  If Torrey was on the team and Perriman wasn't I am sure you would have the opposite feelings about them. 

Because he got injured the first day of TC the year before and was sidelined much of TC the following year - i.e. he had to get up to speed, get reps in, get his footing etc. Don't get me wrong I like Torrey, and he was a valuable, if one sided, down field threat for us. But he always caught the ball in his belly, and he lacked physicality in a big way. Very seldom would you see him go up and out-muscle db's - cue that last play in the AFC championship vs NE. Perriman had his rookie season last year, and despite being used sparringly he displayed incredible feats we never saw from Torrey. 
You'll be smiling midway through next season when Perriman is balling. 

1 hour ago, atomicfront said:

The injuries all the more reason to be concerned about him being our #2 next year.  Torrey was definitely the better player at this point in his career.  Torrey didn't drop as many balls as Perrian either.  Probably the reason that Flacco didn't throw to Perriman more. 

Sure injuries suck, but ALL players get hurt at some point - it's part of the game. Torrey had produced more, but he didn't miss an entire season. Don't know about the drops (anyone have statistics?), but I think most of Breshad's drops will vanish next season because he's getting settled in. Torrey was a starting receiver opposit Bolding because the rest of the cast consisted of Laquan, Doss, Reed etc.
Perriman had to compete for targets against Smitty, Wallace and Aiken. You know Smitty and Wallace are the starters there, and Aiken proved productive on occasion - and again Perriman came off major injury. Not the case for Torrey.

 

10 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Torrey had 841 yards his rookie season which is significantly more than Perriman had his second year.  So anyway you slice it he did a lot better.  

That's an astonishing analysis - 841 is "better" than the 0 yards Perriman had his first year (due to injury) and the 499 yards he had his second year as 3rd/4th option.

9 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Torrey as a rookie still put up better numbers than Perriman did in his first active year. Just sayin'. And Perriman was supposedly more well-rounded with better hands. What gives?

Numbers are one thing, actual play is another. Torrey hadn't dealt with season ending knee injury (to stunt his growth), and was also fortunate enough to participate in training camp.
How many targets did Torrey and Breshad have their first (active) seasons respectively?

  

13 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

I can't stand the Steelers, but I do respect them, if you know what I mean.  Most of the time they play fair, although the infamous 'trip' wasn't an accident.  Total belichick move

I'd have to agree here, kinda liked Tomlin until that move. Lost a lot of respect for him and his smug grin. But I still hate the Pats more - do you remember Brady's sliding tackle on Reed. Still infuriates me to this day - such a tart Tom is.

6 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Boldin hall of fame receiver in his prime.  Torrey first two seasons destroy Perriman (1696 yards vs 499 yards).  And Torrey had 1128 yards his third year. So you are predicting that Perriman in his third year breaks out and still has a worse season than Torrey in his third season.  Pitta was playing well back then and Jacoby was basically what Perriman was last year.  Plus you had Ray Rice who was good for 500 yards from the back field.  

So you're saying Perriman should have gotten more yards from the bench his first year... or? In Torrey's third season he was pretty much the only pass option, kinda like when Aiken had a 1000 yards a couple seasons ago.

I'm predicting an offense in which the ball is spread around with a healthy dose of rushing, in which Perriman still goes for more than a 1000 yards. You are saying worse than Torrey? I believe Perriman is 5x the player that Torrey is and will reach his 1000 yards way more effectively and without the force feeding. Besides that, Perriman is able to make those contested/agile catches that Torrey would never make. Better player, more impact.

Pitta is still a good player in my eyes, now removed one year from his latest injury. I wouldn't compare Jones to Breshad, besides we're talking about Perriman THIS season not LAST season when he was the 3rd/4th option.

Dixon/West/Woodhead will easily eclipse 500 yards from the backfield.

Btw I'm not saying our current cast outshines the SB cast in every way. That was a championship caliber crew who played lights out during the post season and remained injury free to a large extent. What I'm saying is that the two casts aren't massively different from a talent perspective.
We add a vet, Perriman develops, the line blocks and we run the ball. Team game.

34 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Yes the 2012 group was better and it isn't even close 

Agree to disagree. 

-Torrey has nothing on Wallace. 
-Jacoby = Moore (speed and inconsistent hands - although Moore might have better routes). 
-Pitta is still Pitta in my eyes albeit a step slower. 
-Dickson basically never caught anything - so maybe a mix of Williams and Waller (that's probably being generous to Dickson).
-Boldin never had elite numbers here, although he did provide toughness and clutch factor. Perriman will step up and Ozzie will add a vet.
 
That leaves Camp and Gilmore, who when healthy have provided plenty of upside.  

We need 1 (vet) WR and we're good - be that Boldin, Marqise Lee or whoever Ozzie manages to acquire.

 

13 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I do think that, unless Perriman steps up, the Super Bowl group was better than the current group. Pitta now is terrible in comparison to what he was, and Boldin made tough catches that nobody on our roster makes now.

If Perriman steps up bigly, we'll get close, but...

I'm not sure I would say Pitta was terrible last season, but he has obviously taken a step or two back because of injuries.
I'd say he sort of filled the (physical) possesion-role last season with 86 rec for 729 yards. Not too shabby for an old guy with hip dysplasia or whatever it is.
Ozzie has practically guaranteed that he'll add a WR in the coming months (hopefully OL as well).

And I'm pretty sure Perriman will contribute. He was used very sparringly last season (started but 1 game), and still put up 33 rec, 500 yards and 3 TD's. He had some concentration drops when the ball was right on his number (jitters imo), but he showed incredible athleticism and body awareness. Came on at the end of the season. I see no reason why he wouldn't double his numbers. What's your take?

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

If taking an objective look at reality makes me a Debbie Downer, then I'll get Debbie Downer tattooed on my forehead. The reality is that we don't have much reason to be excited about the "plenty of talent" surrounding Joe.

Can I just ask what makes you so optimistic about our offense? Other than the oline and running backs? Because that's all we have going for us.

That might be enough, that's what we had during the last SB run.

Do you think Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby Jones, Pitta and Ed Dickson are substantially better than Wallace, Perriman, Moore/Camp and Pitta/Williams/Gilmore? I don't. Besides,Oz adds at least 1 pass catcher before the season maybe more. Sure you can say "but injuries...". The fact is they are a part of the game, can't 

Perriman gets a starting role this season, with a full TC, and will do tremendously well: 70-80 rec, 1000-1100 yards, 6-8 TD's.   
He got rid of his rookie jitters last year and will make an impact this season imo. 

The keys are: (adequate) protection by the OL, for Flacco to gain more confidence post injury, and for the running game to become a consistent, viable threat again. 

5 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Von Miller is 6'3" and 250 now. So, my feeling is just as a matter of course under Saunders, he'll put in 5-6 pounds over the course of the year and get stronger perhaps. Based on the 'science' video I say he is supposed to have legs the size of Arik Armstead of SF who is a 6'7" giant! So that's where he gets his explosion I suppose.

Good point, you can obviously get stronger without adding unnecessary weight. I'm excited about our new strength/performance coach. He seems more "sensible" and innovative than Bob Rogucki was.

5 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Mentioned this already but his weight is not an issue at all. He played last season at 252/253 lbs.

That's 115kg of quick twich muscle

Alright, guess that's settled then. Let's go pre-season!

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

A name that comes to mind is marqise lee. He's starting to figure it out. Jags already have Allen Robinson, hurns and they just drafted dede Westbrook. 

What would such a trade entail?

1 hour ago, RobertoBalarezo said:

Draft is over and I think we did pretty well but the team has a hole at WR. Which WR you think the FO can target via a trade with another team and how much would we be willing to give for a true number 1 receiver?

A vet OL is equally important. Perhaps Mangold or Dunlop depending on how they feel about Lewis as RT or Jensen/Urschel/Siragusa at C.

36 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Tim Williams is by far the most exciting pick of the 2017 draft imo. He's just exciting to watch man. Not monstrous in size but a technician who can get to the QB.

He does look a bit light (244 lbs), upper body especially. How much do you think he needs to gain to maximize his potential?

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 6:55 AM, Tru11 said:

depends on the issues.

if flacco still has his crappy footwork  like the past 2 season then its his fault.
if his footwork is poor because there is someone in his face in under a second because oliners mis their block then you can look at Ozzie and the oline coach.

blaming poor player execution on the GM is anything but fair tbh.

no different then blaming flacco or the GM for a receiver dropping a wide open pass with nobody around.

we did in fact spend some high picks on offense the past seasons and did bring in some FA.
at some point it has to pay out ( looking at perriman and maxx in particular)

 

 

Agreed.

Unsure about Maxx, haven't heard from/about him in ages. Is he rehabbing still (what injury btw)?
However, next year Perriman will erupt (assuming the line does its job and Joe delivers) for 75-80 recs/1000-1100 yards/6-8 TD's. 

As a foreigner looking in I can appreciate the Steelers - perhaps because they're similar in many ways. Tough, hardnosed, cold-weather football team in the same division as us.
Don't get me wrong I get the whole division rivalry thing, but I can still respect them in a sense unlike the suspect cheaters from New England.
An incredibly succesful team no doubt, but I've got NO love or respect for them. Just a descipable bunch of ... from the owner to the QB.

11 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I like our guys I'm excited. Ready to work. I love our receivers. We have great receivers. They're ready to compete. I'm a big flacco fan. He's ready to work I'm excited

I know what you mean, but which WR in the 6th would be an upgrade over Moore, Camp and the rest of the supporting cast?
Let's see if Ozzie can't get the Ford's, Dupre's and Cannon's in UDFA.

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

As a fellow VT alum, welcome. Happy to have you on board.

Although Ford would've been a bit sexier, he should be able to contribute on ST as well I assume. Oh well, let's grab Boldin in FA - that'd be cool.

2 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

KD Cannon here would be perfect for us if he falls.

You reckon he's sexy enough?

Let's finish off with a sexy pick - a really handsome receiver perhaps.

3 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

Hush Mayock, you are making me sick talking about the Bills' picks.

What's up with Mike? Heard an NFL.com guy saying he was "tired of the draft/wanted to get it over with".

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

WR or RB? Are we kinda set in those areas Ozzie? Are we planning to trade for AJ Green or Julio Jones or someone like that? Why would you invest so much money into Flacco and not give him the tools to earn that money? Sign at least Boldin please.

Just drafted to mammoths to protect him + there's a good chance we add Mangold for additional protection. And like you mention, we possibly sign a vet WR. We're pretty good with weapons on O, just need to protect and execute.

6 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

My guy

For what it's worth Lance Zierlein says he a guard "all day long". What's your take?