Number23

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not a very good player anymore. 

I think I'd just like him more than Arthur Brown at this point.

A.J. Hawk's available now, could be solid depth for us after losing Smith. Probably cheap, too.

I don't know if we still want Jack after the new news on his knee, but I could still see it. Artie Burns seems a bit high to me, but I might just be biased toward some other guys at CB. But I really love the idea of Higgins in the 4th.

Red Star - Su'a Cravens, Alex Mackensie,  Karl Joseph (despite the ACL), Ronnie Stanley (got a weird feeling we have him higher than most)
Black Dot - Anyone you could label as a "Cleveland Browns" type

42 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

So I'm 99.9% sure Myles Jack will not be a Ravens. Reportedly two teams in the top 10 have flagged Myles Jack's knee taking him off their board. We know the Cowboys are one of those teams because he is on their "sub board" 

Los Angeles and Philly had 0 chance of taking Jack so it doesn't make sense for them to flag Jack as the earliest they could take him was late first early 2nd at which that point risk outweighs reward. 

Jacksonville worked Jack out after this came out which tells me they cleared him and wanted to be absolutely sure after hearing that teams took him of their boards. 

San Fran would reportedly think it a dream scenario if Jack fell. 

Cleveland was reportedly prepared to take him at 2 if they couldn't trade

NYG reportedly ok'd the knee and have him on their board. 

That leaves Tampa, Bal and SD. SD worked Jack out at several positions at his pro day so you have to assume that he is on their board for similar reasons as Jax. It's possible Tampa didn't clear him, but at that point, risk v reward has to favor Jack. That only leaves Baltimore. 

That's a pretty damn good analysis of the situation. We can't be sure that the Ravens took [profanity deleted] their board, but it doesn't seem impossible. I know Ozzie wouldn't just ignore the kind of talent Jack has, but with the Ravens injuries over the last two season I wonder if that would have him more worried about taking a guy with questionable health.

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I doubt they trade Bradford after their recent investment. They'd be out for a ton of dead money. It would require immense compensation in terms of picks or players to make that trade reasonable from Philadelphia's perspective.

I'm just wondering if a team like the 49ers would be desperate enough to give Philly something ridiculous, not that they're really in a position to.
Realistically though I think I see Bradford pouting on the bench for a season.

I do like what I see from Buckner but man if you could snag a franchise left tackle I'm not gonna complain.

11 hours ago, Tru11 said:

id be worried if perriman wasent running at full speed when TC starts.

now it really that much of an issue TBH.

I wouldn't be worried normally either, but I think most fans are worried about the extra level of secrecy around the injury. It's like they found out Breshad's a space alien when they did the surgery and they don't think we can handle the news.

I think the picks are realistic considering some of the guys who's rising stock has pushed Alexander, Boyd, and Beavers back into those spots. The picks probably get the BPA and fill needs. Get two birds stoned at once, you know.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645688/article/ravens-tray-walker-dies-from-injuries-in-dirt-bike-crash

Unfortunately, Tray didn't make it...

3 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

No to Upshaw for me. 

1. He can't pass rush which is what we need out of that rotational OLB

2. Let him get a contract somewhere else to help our comp pick situation

I feel like him signing somewhere else would be ideal, but I was wondering if the FO thought that they could get him back cheap, would they? But so far it looks like they're as over him as the fans are.

Maybe with the money cutting Will Hill adds to the cap the Ravens would feel more comfortable paying Upshaw? I mean it's been a week and they (or anyone else for that matter) haven't signed him.

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Brooks should step up this year since it's his third year and usually you see progression in safeties in their third year as they start to finish their development. Elam may also surprise. I'm not getting my hopes up on Elam. I think Webb and Weddle should do a good job back there. Hopefully Webb stays healthy. 

Webb's health is a massive concern I think, and Elam I've almost given up on but I understand where you're coming from. Brooks on the other hand I was really excited about when we drafted him, and man I hope this is his year. 

Makes sense that Hill was released if he's being suspended, but man does that hurt the team, cause I don't think we have another good safety after Weddle.

I think at #6 going with the BPA is more important than ever for the Ravens, because unless you get a total bust or someone who doesn't fit into the team, you're almost certainly getting a game-changer. Jack could be that guy. (Of course a lot of guys could be that guy, but Jack too)

I guess I could call this the 2016 Optimist's draft!
Looking at it again I would agree that Jones is now likely a mid-high 3rd rounder and Dodd won't make out of the first. For Westerman I have 10-12 OL ahead of him but considering how weak many offensive positions are this year we could have a lot of O-Lineman taken by the 4th.

This is my first mock draft ever and I think if several miracles occur we could get enough guys this draft to be serious contenders again this season or next. 
Also I based my player draft positions on a few sites so they may be a bit wonky.

Round 1 (6) - Myles Jack ILB

• If Jack makes it to 6, which I think his injury this season might allow, I think he has too much talent for us to pass up on (said me and everyone else who mocked him to us). He could play inside and be a solid cover linebacker, or its been suggested that he may be able to play outside as well which would fill a major need on the team as well. (Having said that, I think his best option seems to be inside). His ability to cover could actually help our secondary without us having to just draft a DB, and his intellect could only improve the defense. Not only would be very characteristically Ozzie to ignore the position and go with the best possible player, but NFL.com compared the man to Navarro Bowman, and I think he could match him in play style and talent. 

Round 2 (36) - Kevin Dodd OLB

• Kevin Dodd, more than anything, is a very large man with tons of potential. We know he has the size and length, but I also think that his speed will be adequate to be a solid rusher. His pro day 40 was 4.86 sec., and he pulled up injured from it, which I think drops him to us, but I think his speed in-game will not be a problem. If that turns out to be the case, he's shown the he can get to the QB and give our defense a good, young pass rusher.

Round 3 (70) - Tyler Boyd WR

• I think Tyler Boyd's combine drops him from mid-2nd to early 3rd, and we snatch a very good WR. I feel the most important thing for a WR is for them to have strong hands, and I Boyd's are some of the best in the class. If he can keep catching as well as he has been, he could be a great possesion guy for Joe to target and use as a safety net even. If his route running fluidity improves, he could also become a massive outside threat to help strech defenses in ways we haven't been able to the past few seasons.

Round 4 - Christian Westerman OG

• Westerman fills what is now a need, giving us good depth on the OL. He's strong and his frame compares to Marshal Yanda's. Speaking of the greatest gaurd to ever run block, Westerman will get to learn from the best gaurd in the league and could very quickly iron out some of his deficiencies by watching Yanda's game. He likely wouldn't be a plug-and-play OG, but has the potential to become a starter withing a season or two.

Round 4 - Cyrus Jones CB

• Remember when I said Myles Jack could improve our coverage without us having to draft a DB? Well since I've seen the IR list from the past couple seasons, I still think we should take at least one in the draft, especially is someone like Cyrus Jones drops to us. He doesn't quite have the size you'd like, but he's strong and plays hard, which you have to at least respect as a Ravens fan. He could help us with depth at DB, and even maybe even offer us a good slot corner starting this year. 

Round 4 - T.J. Green FS

• T.J. Green is gonna get passed over a lot because of his tackling and lack of experience, but he has a lot of the physical traits that you'd like out of a DB like length and speed. He adapted fairly well to the safety position, and that makes me confident that he'll be able to refine his coverage and tackling. It's not an immediately impactful move, but could give us a good special teamer and rotational guy while he develops.

Kind of related to free agency, I was just really surprised to hear that Osemele said this.

Just no coverage from the defense. The secondary minus Will Hill looks like they could get beaten by my old high school team.

Do I get a chance to work out for the team yet?

We've had some serious bad luck and bad play from some of our players, but at least some of the younger guys are showing promise on defense.

From what I saw our front 7 made an effort but the lack of leadership isn't helping them.

Our coverage in the secondary and the defensive plan as a whole looked like it was designed by Wile E. Coyote.

Flacco looked bad technique-wise a lot of the game, but honestly some of our receivers are so unsure that I'm starting to think Joe didn't think they could catch anything that wasn't lofted to them.

The loss of Suggs is gonna seriously hurt.

I don't know how good he is, but Stanley Jean-Baptiste was just cut by the Saints. He's a cornerback, a 2014 2nd Rd. draft pick, figure he might have some talent.

I don't know what to think of Asa Jackson anymore