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Peppers is my faller. I think teams will have trouble deciding what to do with him. I understand the versatility that's being touted but he's 205 LBs, that's not what you want at OLB/ILB unless he bulks up big time. The average ILB is about 220-235 or something like that. If he does gain that weight, then it rules him out as a safety/corneback because he might not be fast enough. Not to mention he's not much of a play-maker either at that spot. To be honest his only fit might be as a SS. 

23 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Looking at Marshon lattimores injury past. It's definitely a cause for concern. In 3 years at Ohio St. He's played 1 full year. His 2 previous years he dealt with hamstring issues on each leg. We've seen how hamstring issues always tend to come back as has been the case with camp. I haven't done much h research on hamstrings but they always seem to be a problem throughout a players career. Who ever is drafting lattimore has to be very wary of this issue 

That's pretty much why I wouldn't take him. Injuries can happen to anyone but when it happens consecutively like that then it becomes a trend. Sure the Ravens would love to take a risk on a guy like that but they can't afford it in the 1st round and they certainly can't afford to miss on a CB pick. 

On 2/12/2017 at 5:25 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

Wow finally someone else who like Humphrey on here. I thought I was the only one. The only issue I have with him is his ball tracking skills. When he's in man 15 or more yards down the field with his back to the an he seems to panic. Apparently those are things that won't ever go away. But he's great at cover 3, tampa 2 and press coverage which are pretty much our coverage schemes. I think he'd be a great fit here

I think Humphrey's size trait is what we could really use on the outside. Of course you don't want to fall too much in love with a players playing strength but Humphrey's is not as raw as he's made out to be and like others have said he's been given way too much flack. I think he did a good job of covering Mike Williams. Even if it frustrates us early, we don't need a shut down CB at the moment because regardless we're not getting one, we need someone who can play on the outside and just not get beat for big plays Period. I don't know if Humphrey can do all of that but I just wouldn't be mad if we took him, but I think I have Quincy Wilson ahead of him at the moment. 

On the topic, there's a lot to like about Jones, I'm not sure if strength is one of them. He got muscled plenty of times, most notably by JuJu Smith and it's going to be a bigger problem for him. Even if he bulks up, that's not what comes with being a physical CB, he actually needs to have to mentality of being one and being able to comfortably get close to big guys and not have to worry about being muscled there. I like Jones technique but his strength limitations might hurt him. 

10 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

The argument against Peppers is too many positions if you bashed KC for playing ILB and OLB then Peppers will be the same deal. I would not take him period he has terrible hands and will not make it as a FS so I feel he is very limited in what he can do.

Bringing up KC exactly proves a point, he's struggled to maintain at one spot and that has to be influenced from shifting from ILB to OLB. Having to get the entire play-book down on both positions and develop as well puts a strain on a player. I highly doubt Peppers knows all the coverage/formations for all the positions he's played, and even if he did (Which would be very impressive), he didn't refine himself to the point to where he can be equally effective in all those positions. Besides that point, if Peppers weight is indeed 205, then his playing position is not as diverse as advertised because he's not seeing snaps at OLB/ILB in a 3-4 base in the NFL at that weight. 

I've watched a few of the CB groups and I think Marshawn Lattimore is for sure the best CB of them all. I really do like Sidney Jones but I think he's going to have to bulk up, if he had strength he probably would be the #1 CB in this class. My problem with Lattimore and it's pretty much the reason why the Ravens won't pick him is that the injury concerns are very legit and the last thing this team needs is a talented CB who can't stay on the field. Marlon Humphrey makes a lot of sense here and would be an outside presence that we desire. I prefer him over Jones due to his size-strength traits that Jones sorely lacks. 

48 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I would agree with this and I also believe if he slips to our spot in the 2nd round, which he won't, we would have to take him.

If he slips that far I think we could realistically trade up for him if we think he's that good, which he certainly is but I don't think the team needs to hit on an ILB pick as badly as they need to hit on a CB/OLB pick. 

2 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Cody Whitehair would have been a great pick. That being said, I agree, this book isn't closed on KC and we have no choice but to give him a chance.  Let's hope he shows something this year.  If the Ravens take Reuben Foster, we know what they think.

Whitehair would've been a good pick there, but is the team thinking OL back-to-back when the pass rush got shredded by the likes of the Cleveland Browns? The team got exposed for their lack of speed there on the pass rush and in coverage and felt picking Correa would kill two birds with one stone, I was thrown off because I didn't even know much about him nor did I think of him as an option here, but I certainly wasn't surprised that we went for a speed guy. 

The Ravens could take someone like Foster but I would be stunned if they do so and if they do that doesn't mean Correa is history considering that they could opt to assume the OLB role they drafted him for. 

29 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Yeah, I have to say the KC pick has to be the biggest head scratchers for me atleast over the last few drafts dating back to 2014.

Questionable pick, but the team felt that they needed speed on this defense. I was thrown off by it because I didn't even know the guy all that much, but at the same time the Ravens need to own up and put him in places where he can succeed and not shift him from OLB/ILB in his first year. Let him take care of the rest, if he fails to do that then your questions about him are answered. 

Talking to ravensfan23, I honestly think we should give him a chance, not a lot of the guys who was picked before or after him were all that better. It was a weak 2nd round to say the least. 

I think we were a good tackling team this season. Weddle, Webb, Mosley, Orr(Sadly he's gone), Suggs, and Brandon Williams were exceptional there. 

On the speed end, we do have Correa on the team and we'll have to put him in a position to ball out. I do agree with adding more speed at the CBs at OLB but I would like to see us expand on Correa's role. 

6 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

one thing I've decided on linebackers after our last 2 draft picks in the second round is this: While speed is great, it is more important that they love football a whole lot and their football IQ is off the charts. For linebackers to be successful, they need to react quickly meaning diagnose plays fast and move fast. Now, if we find these guys and they happen to be really fast, even better. But, I would emphasize football IQ over speed.

Same here, Arthur Brown was an athlete but he couldn't get the playbook done what so ever and his play recognition was not good at all. 

I would be disappointed if we picked Peppers. He doesn't have the play strength to play OLB or even ILB for that matter. He's not enough of a play-maker at FS so his fit might only be as a SS and do we need to take one early at the moment? No. I honestly think Peppers could legit fall out the 1st round, guys like him make to tough on themselves to develop as players when they try to play so many positions, it doesn't allow them to refine and get better at one spot. 

6 hours ago, regz1997 said:

His hands are so inconsistent though. Some games he has perfect hands, and others he looks horrible.

What do you think is the biggest specific issue with his game?

Route running is something he'll have to fix for sure and his biggest issue. I don't think it's all on him though, those two off-seasons where he didn't get to refine his game hurt badly towards his development. I'm okay with route running being the issue he needs to fix because lots of guys out there didn't start out great there, it takes a lot of practice and dedication and he'll get there, he just needs time. 

3 hours ago, regz1997 said:

I'm rooting for Perriman too, but I'm not holding my breath. At best, I could see him being a good receiver. What holds him back from being a great receiver is his hands. Great receivers catch big passes even though being covered well. His route running also needs to improve, but that can improve with age. 

I don't think his hands are the biggest concern for me. Plenty of great receivers like Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall, and Demaryius Thomas have hands problems of their own and that hasn't stop them from being great at what they do. I think hands are a thing he has to improve on but its not whats going to restrict him from being great. 

23 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Again not saying KC is or will be the exact same player that Clay is. Clay Matthews is a All-Pro and I don't really like comparing players like that. My comparison comes from how Clay is used and how KC should be used. 

I agree that Clay plays with a lot more strength than KC does. I personally don't think that Boise cared much about him building strength as a collegiate athlete. I think what we have to realize about some of these rookies and the impact they do or don't have is that all college programs don't place a great emphasis on strength and conditioning. That's why that year 1 to year 2 transition is so crucial for most players because they are actually focusing on developing strength and conditioning for the position they are being asked to play. It'll be interesting to see how KC returns after the offseason. 

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but I think he's gonna be a 2nd round pick that has really good to great production and will be one of those guys the Ravens keep around long term when it's all said and done.

I get ya, I understand that you weren't saying they're the exact same, and I definitely see how they can be used but even if Correa wants to assume that role, he'll have to bulk up and get better with his pass rush.

I personally like hearing your opinions honestly because I like the aspects you bring up. I never thought about how committed Boise State was towards him building up his strength and it looked like they really weren't invested in that, much rather they had him beat LTs on his speed alone and I think that commitment hurt him his first year. 

I'm crossing my fingers on his development because it could be a huge difference maker for this defense. 

13 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

He was drafted to help provide speed on the outside pass rush, which he still can honestly, not sure why some many seem to think he's just worthless outside, but while that was part of the role they wanted him to fill, from day one they lined him up at ILB and asked him to learn every LB position on the team and I think it eventually became too much for  him mentally. 

Going back to the pass rush aspect of things. Correa isn't a natural pass rusher and you knew that coming out of Bosie. He's an effort pass rusher and a guy who has a really good first step that allowed him to convert speed to power vs weaker OTs. However in the NFL he has to become much stronger, which he definitely can and he has to maintain that great motor. I said it before the Ravens drafted him and I'll say it now. He's almost Identical to Clay Matthews. If you look at Clay coming out of USC he wasn't and isn't a pure pass rusher like a Von Miller. The Packers moved him around and allowed him to blitz more so than just put his hands in the dirt or get in his bike stance and hunt. Clay has decent moves he can pull out every now and then but much of his production comes from effort and the fact that the Packers move him around to create favorable match-ups. The year they tried to make him a full time OLB, I think it was 11' he had probably his worse seasons because that's not his game. The same is true for Correa. When you draft a guy like that you must have a plan for him and I'm not sure Pees is the type of DC to have that type of plan. Not a bash Pees moment, just my opinion. The Ravens need to put KC in position where he's moving all over the defense and the offense doesn't know if he's dropping or blitzing. Just asking him to line up and rush vs OTs all game isn't gonna garner much success consistently. He's the type of guy you just allow to play like his hair is on fire, almost like a rover on defense. He's good enough against the run on the edge to play outside on early downs, but as a pass rusher he should be moved around but he doesn't possess pass rush moves that allow him to win consistently outside. Not saying he's Clay or even AD to give a hometown feel, but he has to be used like those guys or else it's just a waste. That's on the Ravens, not the player. 

He can still provide speed outside but my problem is that many speed rusher are refined in many areas and actually play with more strength than what you usually see from Correa and that's my big problem for him, and trying to learn how to rush the passer while attempting to play ILB and that might be an immense leap for a guy who didn't play much this season. It would be different if he was sticking to OLB but if he's supposed to play multiple positions than its going to be tough for him to become an effective rusher.

I really think the decision to put him at ILB in the first place backfired. As you said, it took a tole on a guy who was learning to rush the passer. I mean, needing to know the formations and coverage of ILB and OLB while refining yourself in both areas? How many guys have done something like that? I certainly think a fair share of this falls on the Ravens but Correa has faults of his own as a pass rusher and that just speaks to how raw of a player he is, I personally think hes going to have to get stronger as well, that play where he got blown up by the situational blocker was hard to see and it shows you that he'll need more strength. 

Thing is, I think this defense can be a really good fit for a guy like him if he bulks up and refines his technique. I agreed with what should be done with him. He should be allowed to roam around the defense and keep teams guessing, in a hybrid defense like ours we can move him around the middle of the field, he's so athletic that he can cover the flats and even play the spy if need be. You could even use him as a speed rusher on physco blitzes and confuse QBs so bad because they wouldn't know if he's blitzing or dropping back. I've also noticed how when told to tone his play down, he sort of declined, it's weird since we heard a lot of things about him. 

I don't remember much of Clay Matthews but I could recall that he was able to play with decent play strength and knew how to pop offensive tackles. He also had a good speed-to-power conversion and knew how to use that. That's all I could remember and while I definitely see the comparisons I personally think there are things that Clay could do that allowed him to be more effective and those elements are what Correa is missing. 

12 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm curious about this because I know there was some crazy NFL rule about missing time as a rookie and extending a player's rookie contract as a result that, IIRC, affected Jensen drafted in 2013, who is now an RFA this year after missing his 2013 rookie season and is not an UFA. 

I've never heard about that, I don't know how that effects Perriman, he was a 1st round pick so I wonder how that will come into play. 

6 hours ago, The Raven said:

God I wish we could afford him. I'd let Williams and Wagner go without hesitation to have him.

Same here, he would be so great for us. 

12 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Very valid points, i just have no faith in our organization scouting WRs.  While i agree with all your points, i just prefer to have the dominant run game than a passing attack.  I did watch the Clemson game, Williams is a beast and i would love to have him.  Whats your thoughts on Davis. 

I think Davis will be the better receiver out of the gates but Williams might end up to be the overall better receiver but not by much. Of course you can't predicts guys futures but I think both guys are really good receivers. 

I think our scouts need to do better at WR agreed but that also falls on Oz and DeCosta because it's their decision on who to pick. 

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea i hear ya, i would just rather have that workhorse guy that can develop a running game.  Just looking back on what RR offered i think thats more e valuable than a WR who might touch the ball10 times compared to Fournette/Cook who could have 25 touches a game. 

I think an elite receiver would do more than that for this offense than an elite RB. Watching the Falcons against the Patriots, I was such in awe in seeing what Julio was doing on the field. I'm not referring to his catches but rather the attention he drew. He was able to drag the safeties so deep over the middle that it opened up so much for Gabriel, Sanu and Hooper. No RB in the league commands that type of attention. 

The Ravens would benefit a lot by forcing teams to shift to single-high safety coverage, and open up more open the middle, especially if they manage to get a TE who can get vertical, that would make this offense explode even without an elite run game. I think you would see Joe produce a season that we've never seen from a Ravens QB. 

This is why I'm hoping Perriman blows up. If a guy with that type of size and speed can push coverage down the field, can you imagine what a guy like Pierre Garcon(or Kenny Britt) would do in the middle of the field 1v1? Even Pitta(If he remains) would feast on linebackers. 

22 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I really don't know that we have an identity on offense. Every week we tend to go in a different direction. I do know we have a quarterback that likes to throw the deep ball, but neither Wallace or Smith man up to fight for it. I say we quit with the FA market guys and finally draft a wr at 16, so we can finally put our wr quandary to rest.

Just my opinion, but I don't think run-first offense win SBs without an all-time great defense. If you look at all of the elite defenses who won the SB, 2013 Seahawks, 2015 Broncos, 2000 Ravens or 1985 Bears, they were primary rushing attacks but they won because they had a defense so great that they could control the tempo of the game and allow the offense to have massive TOP. 

We can't have that right now and I think the passing game should be as big of a priority as the run game. I would like to see the Ravens be able to beat anyone through the air and just crush teams there, teams are winning that way now, it's a passing league so why not get with the times? Of course the run game should be a big part of the offense but not the primary focus. 

43 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

That small sample of production came on a total of 48 snaps. That's like a full game's worth of defensive snaps. Reports was he started to turn the corner in practice and earning the start in the NYJ game pretty such showed that. Than he got hurt the next week in practice and that basically derailed his season. He's gonna have to put in a lot of work this season, but I expect him to be the starting ILB and it'll actually help him because it'll force the coaches to keep him in one position so he can focus on perfecting his craft. I thought the Ravens asked him to do too much in learning the OLB and ILB positions last year. This will be a huge offseason for him. 

I think the Ravens drafted him in mind that he would be a speed rusher, It sucks because we could seriously use that but he just hasn't made an impact. He looks like an ILB but it's bittersweet that he might never be able to be a pass rusher for us, I just feel that maybe the team see Correa being very effective on those 4-3 base packages. 

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea i didnt really pay attention to Spence's progress, what do you think he turns into?

Yea, Shepard hurt.....now that Orr retired, its just another whole to fill, hopefully we nail this draft because another year of zero production from 2nd and 3rd picks will extremely hurt us.  We can realistically make a case for almost every position

I think Spence is talented and can turn into a really good player, but he's questionable to me. I haven't watched him much, just going by reports and very little of what I've seen from him. 

Sheparard would've been a great addition to this team and I feel that he could be exactly what we need out of the slot. 

Orr retired but if he were healthy passing on Jack would have been the right move, can't knock the team on that end. 

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I would honestly rather trade up for Fournette, but i would be on board with all three

If that's how you feel than that's fine but give me Williams or Davis over Fournette all day long. I know Fournette is talented but I would much rather have elite talent at WR than RB when it comes to this team. It's so badly needed for this offense and franchise. 

21 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

But for Julio Atlanta gave up the kitchen sink to trade up to 5 where they drafted him. I don't think the Ravens have the courage or conviction to bet all the marbles to go get him. Steve Bisciotti maybe does, but Ozzie and John won't ever let him. 

They did try to move up for Khalil Mack back in the 2014 draft because they saw him as an elite and immense talent, and though I believe the report of us giving up our entire draft for Ryan is bogus, I do think we definitely tried to move up for him. 

I think if needed, this time will be aggressive and jump plenty of spots for a guy they view as elite, if Williams or Davis are one of those guys than I wouldn't be shocked if we go for it because we've been so desperate at elite talent at the WR position for so long and have been dying for a play-maker. 

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I was one who liked Spence, Jack, Cravens.  It just sucks seeing Spence have some impact already, still not sure what KC is going to turn into....

I liked them as well but seeing Orr's emergence sort of justified passing on Jack/Cravens. Spence has 5.5 sacks and while that's a solid number, I don't think many were too impressed this season, he struggled bad early and improved but still had some trouble generating pressure. I don't know if he's a sure thing but he's definitely talented. 

The guy I really wish we took was Sterling Shepard, who says we didn't need another WR? I mean it would have been a mighty fine pick and given us a lot of assurance next season, not to mention that it would make the decision on Wallace a lot easier. That did create the opportunity to get more guys, but It would have been nice to have him here. Outside of that, 2nd round was a mixed bag and I honestly think it was a pretty disappointing 2nd round, not a whole lot of impact guys IMO. 

40 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Basically what i was thinking, mainly to replace Doom.

I talked about Alexander a while back and he would be a welcomed addition, we're pretty young on the outside as is so having someone with experience like Alexander would work well for us. We don't need to get younger but better at pass rusher, not matter how old the guy is. I view him as a short term option(Obviously) but this team window for winning is now and an addition like Alexander would play well into that.