PurpleCity5

The Ravens tend to find gems and contributors among veteran cuts. I personally view Mangold in that category, he would love to stay in NY but in a lot of websites and sources I've read, it seems that he's not returning and that there's a good chance he's cut. If so I could certainly imagine him coming here. As you said in regards to other FAs, sell, sell, SELL on him playing with a franchise as good and managed as the Ravens. Playing for the Jets takes a toll on a player and I know he wants to know what winning feels like again. He's made his money, I don't think he wants to waste his time playing for an underwhelming franchise like Cleveland unless someone severely overpays which I doubt will be the case. I think he'll compliment Yanda very well and both will further influence Stanley and Lewis to be more physical linemen. You can't let him leave the facility without a deal.

Out of everyone on that list, as soon as FA starts, the only guy I'm interested in is really Nick Mangold. If I'm making an improvement at CB/OLB, then I want to go big or go home at each of the respective positions. I'm looking at the market for the top FA OLBs/CBs and if the price is right then I'm certainly for bringing them in, if not then I'm okay with looking towards those other guys, but Mangold would be a solid signing, he may have declined but we need as much maulers as we can get here. I haven't kept up with him honestly but I know what he was at his best, even if he's declined a bit, I just want a Center who can push the pocket and help big on inside runs. I just don't know about Ngata, I don't know how much he has left and I think he can delay bringing a guy like Michael Pierce who has big potential into the mix. I just don't think Ngata is a need if we bring back Brandon Williams as heartbreaking as that sounds. Back to Mangold, a lot of his struggles were attributed to his injuries, and it's not like the Jets are desperate to let him go, they have weighed in keeping him at a restructure but the cap savings is too much to do so. Personally I would say bring him in for a visit and don't let him leave till he signs.

I think Wilson's speed is pretty good to go along with his size but I still need to watch more so I'll take your word for it on Humphrey's speed, I did watch plenty of Humphrey's film and he is pretty fast. The 40 yard dash isn't a big deal for me but I'm interested to see how Wilson does there and in the shuttle drills. I'll keep up with that.

I agree, I don't like the comparison either but we do play plenty of Tampa 2 coverage and cover 3 as well so that will help the learning curve. Personally I do like his size traits and that's what compares to Jimmy best. He's still my #2 CB even though he might have a little trouble in man but we don't play it that much. At the moment I have Wilson as the #1 CB considering Lattimore's injury bug. I know Wilson is more of a man-cover guy but he looked solid in zone and has the ability to play press and off. He's more refined than Humphrey's while having similar size-speed traits. Wilson looks more like Jimmy

Red-zone scoring is about team execution and creativity, that Rams and Jeff Fischer do not come to mind when I think of that. I can't put that all on Britt. Also, he's not physical as his size indicates? I disagree look at the 0:26 mark, Darius Slay did as much as he could to execute the tackle, he got low, wrapped up and tried to force the receiver to the ground, unfortunately with the end-zone in front of him, Britt used his strength and dragged him to the end-zone. Any other receiver who doesn't poccess the size or physicality there would have been brought down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k1F1JF7o_M Look at his 2nd TD vs Detroit on the 2:37 mark, the guy took a CB, Linebacker and a dragged Kerry Hyder(DT) to the end-zone and completely bullied his way there. On the slant pattern, Britt already got the first down, if he was finesse like other receivers he would've went straight to the ground as soon as he made the catch, he didn't and broke those tackles thinking touchdown. In Aiken's case, he got a stupid amount of targets when Steve Smith went down and while he preformed well, he did play with Joe for 10 games, who we know is far better than any Rams QB. Aiken later on played with not the best of guys behind center, but he didn't have much competition to take targets away from and once Steve Smith, Breshad Perriman and Mike Wallace arrived, he was back to the #4 role. Also, it's not just the Rams way of doing things, the Falcons who nearly won the SB gave Mohammad Sanu a $7M per year deal coming off a 394 Yard and 0 TD season and can anyone in their right mind justify that? In Pierre Garcon's case, he's not coming from a worse situation, I would legit say he's coming to a worse situation offensively speaking here considering that I'll have to admit that the Redskins offense is a good amount better than the Ravens. He's coming from a passing attack that ranked 2nd in the league and a QB who last year ranked among the top 5 and this year among the top 10. I don't know if you're getting a better Pierre Garcon here than in Washington. Kenny Britt is a different story and I'm certain you're getting someone who can play better than the 1,000 yards he put up in that horrendous offense.

I hope that team is us because I think Oz would go after someone who can be a bargain. If the price is right than I certainly think he would be a great signing.

Garcon is a possession receiver so I would anticipate that he got plenty of targets, probably even more than Britt given that he plays in a considerably better passing offense. In regards to DJax and Reed, DJax missed a large part of last season and Garcon had stretches of the season in which he was pretty unimpressive. Reed also missed a couple of games as well and there were talks that surrounded Garcon on him being a cap cut, this was during Kirk Cousins career year where the Redskins offense exploded and took off once they got DeSean back and Jordan Reed broke out. I think Garcon rebounded very well but I don't think you're going to get a better Garcon here than what you got in Washington.

Yeah, I'm just stating my opinion, I just don't think Garcon is a better option right now than Britt and I would 100% take Britt over him right now.

Of course you don't have to cut Wallace but that $6M in savings would help any one of the CB/OLB a ton. We certainly have a replacement in Wallace with Perriman and while he's not a #1 WR, he's certainly might be relied upon as a #2 and I think the team fells strongly about that. I don't think it stops there, I can imagine cutting Wallace would contribute to signing a low cost WR or invest early via draft. I certainly don't think Britt would be the final answer to our WR problems.

I don't think he's underachieved, so much has been expected of him but he's played in a dreadful offense. Everyone is talking up Pierre Garcon but let's comparing him side by side to Britt, I don't think he's been all that much better. Pierre Garcon G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD 2016 Washington Redskins 16 16 79 1,041 13.2 70T 3TD 2015 Washington Redskins 16 16 72 777 10.8 39T 6TD 2014 Washington Redskins 16 14 68 752 11.1 70T 3TD Kenny Britt SeasonTeamReceivingRushingFumbles G GS RecYds Avg LngTD AttYds AvgLng TD FUM Lost 2016 Los Angeles Rams 15 15 68 1,002 14.7 66 5TDs 2015 St. Louis Rams 1614 36 681 18.9 60T 3TDs 2014 St. Louis Rams 16 13 48 748 15.6 63T 3TDs Like I said before, Garcon played in an offense that was up there with some of the passing offenses in the league and ranked 2nd in the league and 3rd overall offensively. Comparitevly Britt played in an offense that ranked as the 31st ranked passing attack and 32nd ranked offense as a hole. I'll also keep in mind that Kirk Cousins is light years better than anyone the Rams have. I like Garcon, but it's like if Julian Edelman were to come here from New England, that's nice but is he going to be better here than what he was with New England? I could certainly say that in our case, we would get a much better Kenny Britt from LA coming here and that's taking into account his impressive season.

Garcon is cashing in as well and I would anticipate that he makes as much as Britt if not a bit more. His market is very much up there and he's looked at as a top 5 receiver on the market so someone is going to pay him and going onto age 30 you can expect him to be very aggressive with his offers and trying to maximize his earnings. Britt nearly matched Garcon's production, or in my opinion exceeded it with Garcon playing in a high-octane passing offense that ranked in the top 5 two years in a row, Britt played in an offense that I would rank in the bottom 3 and yet matched Garcon's production.Side-by-Side the past three seasons his numbers doesn't look all that much better than Britt and the funny thing about this is reports out there are saying that the Redskins want to replace Garcon with Britt. I think they view Britt as the better receiver as well. I don't know about Britt getting $10M, his value is tough to gauge given that the Rams haven't made an offer on him, so teams will have to figure out just what Britt's value is worth and I don't think they're starting at $10M and going from there. If we get him at $8M than I'm fine with that, it's typically what a prototypical #2 WR makes and nothing near to what OBJ and Mike Evans are getting when they hit FA.

I feel like Britt and Marshall both fit the prototypical WR the Ravens want.

Ravensfan23 summed up my thoughts but I don't consider $7-8M to be paid like a #1 WR. Mohammad Sanu, Marvin Jones, and Torrey Smith are all making this amount or at least close to it and these are your prototypical #2 WRs, so I wouldn't consider 8-10M as #1 WR money. Britt fits everything the Ravens want, they want to pick up 1st downs, they want to move the chains, they want to be more effective in the redzone and Britt can contribute in all areas. You brought up Marshall and Garcon and while I agree that Marshall is more talented, I don't think even his stressful offenses are as bad as Britt was. In Garcon's case he played in a high octane passing offense that ranked top 5 in passing yards last 2 seasons and a QB who is light-years better than anyone the Rams had(Yes, it was that bad for LA.) With that said, Britt preformed pretty damn well given the circumstances and I think he could be a stud with Ravens/Joe.

Britt is not coming here on a 1 year, he's cashing out as he should. 1000 yards on a dreadful offense like that is what I would consider to be impressive. He fits everything the Ravens are missing in a #1 starting WR and that's a chain moving physical presence who can be an asset in the Red-zone. As far as Wallace goes, he's not expensive but I wouldn't call him cheap either going into this season. At $8M his cap hit is decent but with $6M cap savings it makes it a rather difficult decision to digest. Furthermore I would say that Wallace replacement is already on the roster, Perriman can be that deep threat for you but it's apparent that the Ravens are banking on him being more than that, they said he's not ready for a #1 WR role at the moment, but he'll probably move into the #2 role going into next season.. The Ravens need something that Wallace can't provide and that's a chain moving prototypical possession WR that we're trying to replace with losing Steve Smith Sr.

I certainly think we bring in someone and I think that guy is an upgrade whether it be Britt/Marshall or whomever, I think we pay up for a WR.

I might be in the minority here, but after thinking about it and talking about it I think we keep both Williams and Wagner and make some cuts that will include Pitta, Watson, Wallace, Wright, and Doom. I think the team views them both as priority 1A and 1B and I think we're going to try our hardest to retain both guys.We will have more to work with and both guys should be highly valued and I don't think Williams is making a lot more than Damon Harrison is. I don't think Wagner is setting a new record for RT money and both guys remain here.

Britt's market might not be as great as he hopes it would be. I don't think in results in him making significantly less than what he expects, I think it's going to cost the Ravens some money, but not as much if the market doesn't view Britt as valuable as he thinks. I like Marshall, but he keeps bouncing around, I think that has plenty to do with his locker room issues, I wouldn't mind him and Woods, that would be a great combination but that seems pricey, I think an early draft pick is probably added in place of Woods.

I feel like Perriman just needs to refine those routes over the off-season. He doesn't have to be significantly great in that aspect he just has to improve due to his fantastic size-speed combination. He definitely has to improve selling those routes for sure and running sharper patterns, but Joe needs to be able to find him at the top of his routes because there are times in which he has missed him. I feel like if he can do that, then he'll enter the season as our #2 WR and maybe as our #1. I think he has to play more physical as well but he does a good job of winning inside position and boxing out CBs, I personally think that signals that he's not the finesse type of receiver that some believe him to be. On the topic of his routes, he played in a Pro-Style offense in UCF and you saw him run the full route tree and while they weren't great routes, a lot of them were not as bad as I thought they would be. They weren't that good but I thought they were somewhere between below average to average, nothing above that. I honestly think that a lot of his struggles in terms of his refinement comes from missing a lot of time. I personally think the Ravens are banking on his development big time whether we like it or not. Honestly, I'm happy we picked him, if it wasn't for the injuries I think we would've saw a much better Breshad Perriman, if given the opportunity this off-season I personally think the guy is going to be a beast once he improves on his routes, QB-WR chemistry and physicality. He said it himself, he finally knows what he has to work on now.

I'm fine with cutting Wallace if we bring in Marshall or Britt since they're capable of #1 receiver production, but in the case of Garcon, I don't know. He played in a very high volume passing offense and isn't what I would call a #1, I would probably hold out on cutting Wallace if we bring in Garcon.

I see that problem with Wallace but as you said and I very much agree with it, get an upgrade and you could/should release him if we manage to keep Williams/Wagner. I personally think Britt could rise in the open market but my theory for why it might not happen is that the team he currently plays for, the Rams doesn't have much desire to get into a bidding war with anyone else over him. Because of that, it's going to be a little difficult for teams to establish the value that they would have in Britt and where to go on from there. I also think the FO might have to force their hand into paying someone whether they like it or not, unlike past years they're not really getting the luxury of bringing in a WR cut from another team who has plenty left in the tank such as a Steve Smith Sr. He was honestly a no-brainer signing Also, going back to Boldin, they gave up a 3rd and 4th round pick for a contract that Arizona badly wanted to get rid off and we took that cap hit for a great receiver. Going way back we picked up Derrick Mason as an unrestricted FA and while I don't know the full details of the contract, it may have been a bargain signing, but it surely wasn't cheap. If a guy is talented and can propel us to SB Champs and make this team better, than I wouldn't rule out making the sacrifice for a guy like Britt. My biggest problem though, is that 1,000 yards on a dreadful offense with one of the worst QB situations in the league on one of the worst teams is pretty impressive, I think some teams will take that into account and view Britt as someone much more capable in a real NFL offense. Out of all options, Marshall seems like a realistic one, I know about his chemistry issues but that doesn't mean the guy doesn't produces on the field. His red-zone abilities, possession WR capabilities and QB-WR chemistry that he tends to have with his guys could be put to great use here and I honestly think that if everything goes right, Brandon Marshall first time going to the playoffs might also be his first time winning a SB.

People have been sleeping on the idea of Perriman becoming the starter and I don't know why. If Mike Wallace finish the season on a stronger note than I would like to believe that he stays but I think that his decline towards the end of the year opens the door for Perriman to step in and take that role. The team is and might have to rely on Perriman to step up and take over. Barring any injuries or step backs I anticipate that he will take over as the #2 reguardless if Wallace is here or not. If healthy and if his routes improves than I think he wins it, he can do what Wallace can as a deep threat and win inside position and play a more physical brand of the WCO. Not to mention he adds more as a potential Red-Zone threat and that's not what Wallace is to me. I think Wallace outperformed if deal and that's nice, but we're going to need someone to be physical from the outside while improving all other spots on the defensive end and the cap savings from letting go off Wallace would help that.

I don't see Wallace as a candidate for a re-do. He did outplay his deal and while I think he could decline next season, as an aging guy who can still contribute he might feel that he can make as much or even more if cut. I personally think Wallace is gone if an upgrade is brought in. I think the team will take a hard look at Kenny Britt because he fits the mold of a WR you want in a WCO. I think that $20M would be used for other avenues such as CB/OLB and maybe even extending players. I think Wallace getting cut would contribute to a pricey FA WR.

I still think it would be tough to keep both Wagner and Williams because I do expect the team will fill in other spots elsewhere. I know me and you talked about Mike Wallace getting cut due to his cap hit but if Williams/Wagner are retained do you believe that to be the case? Because I find it hard to imagine that we do indeed keep both of them and someone outside of Doom doesn't take the fall for it. I think Webb is taking a pay-cut but I personally feel like if we do keep them both, than Mike Wallace might be gone. He could be a casualty for someone who could upgrade him and do what the Ravens hope to accomplish with this offense, I can't imagine a scenario where we keep both Williams/Wagner and keep Wallace while bringing in a pricey Vet.

I think Wagner wants to hit the open market before signing a deal to see his worth. I doubt he's getting anything more than $8M unless he's playing LT for someone else.

Peppers is my faller. I think teams will have trouble deciding what to do with him. I understand the versatility that's being touted but he's 205 LBs, that's not what you want at OLB/ILB unless he bulks up big time. The average ILB is about 220-235 or something like that. If he does gain that weight, then it rules him out as a safety/corneback because he might not be fast enough. Not to mention he's not much of a play-maker either at that spot. To be honest his only fit might be as a SS.