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If Sean Payton gets fired, I think he'd be a good fit for the Ravens :/ 

1 minute ago, darklight1216 said:

The Steelers are the same way vs the Ravens... haven't been able to win against Baltimore (usually) and even when they do it comes down to the wire. Pees is as predictible as I don't know, but it's the same story

It's just a rock-paper-scissors situation in the AFCN for the last few years.

You might argue that the Pats have been running the same dink-and-dunk offense for a decade, but still no one can stop them consistently except the Giants.

Yea. Bengals are the Ravens Kryptonite :/ Even during some of their best seasons the Bengals have always played the Ravens tough. They're worse than the Steelers. 

Just now, ellicottraven said:

Let us all grieve in peace and be thankful for an 8-8 season. The good thing is we will be drafting in the early to late teens now so we have the opportunity to botch another first round pick!

16th I think. I feel like the Browns finished better as at lease they have the 1st overall :/ going 8-8 is almost worst than going 0-16 in that sense. 

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You clearly don't understand what the roster issue or situation is in New Orleans.

Identify who you think the Saints offensive "playmakers" are and tell me how much they are making? Outside of Brees, its chump change. Ingram, Cooks and Thomas are playing for cap hits of like $8M COMBINED... that's about what we pay for Dumervil ALONE.

New Orleans problems come mostly from prior seasons, where they spent a bunch of money on bad contracts, mostly on defense. In 2016 alone, they have over $45M in dead money on their books, which is roughly 30% of the overall cap. Guys like Junior Gallette (a whopping $12.1M dead money cap hit), Keenan Lewis, and Brandon Browner are big cap numbers the Saints are eating now because they gave out some bad deals in the past. Really poor team management if you ask me.

That's why they are in the position they are in. Its not because they pay a crap load of money to offensive players.

It's not about money it's about availability...well and I guess money too but availability. When talking about this I am heavily focusing on building through the draft, although trades and stuff will help too. If one is focusing on building a great offense, then most likely the defense is going to suffer, especially considering they are already suffering at the corner position. Folks are saying Brandon Williams will be traded, and Suggs is most likely in his twilight years now. If they are going to focus on ONE particular side of the ball then the other will most likely suffer. Rarely do teams have both a great O and great D...thats rare...

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It was one more game, but again- concussions aren't exactly easy to deal with and can greatly affect the way you play for an extended period of time.

ok, so what about when he was with the Dolphins before coming to the Pats? 

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Was more in reference to the part about Harbaugh being the problem. That narrative seems to change on a week to week basis and depend almost entirely on whether or not we win or lose. And even in losses, there's plenty of cases where John wasn't the problem... last week was certainly one example of that.

And yes, players are evaluated heavily based on their ability to "make plays", though that's also a highly subjective term. A WR is a different kind of "playmaker" than a FB or an OLineman, who also get drafted and get evaluated heavily.

As others have already said, its great to say that they are evaluated on their ability to make plays, On an annual basis all 32 NFL teams draft a player that they think could be or will be a "playmaker", and every single one of those teams whiffs on at least one guy in that category every single year. Some whiff more than once.

Everybody wants "playmakers". They just don't grow on trees, and no team has a tree that they can just pick one from whenever they want it.

I already stated this in a different way. John H DOES seem to be a problem when it looks like the players gave up on him during the game. This isn't just my opinion, this is something shared within a good amount of fans. Still though who exactly IS the problem is hard to evaluate as we are not in the locker room so the only thing we can do is speculate. 

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Think this might have to something to do with drug suspension and concussions...

he played in more games in 2014 than he did in 2013 yet had under 500 yards...but ok. 

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Having potential doesn't make you a "play-maker."

In the eyes of the coaches/ coordinators/ GMs that are making those decisions, yes it does. The draft is entirely based upon POTENTIAL hence why someone like Reggie Bush (probably the best college RB ever) was drafted as the 2nd pick of the 2006 draft to be a "play maker" for the Saints, but ultimately failed to live up to his POTENTIAL in the NFL thus the reason hes been on so many teams lately and will most likely remain mediocre. 

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

All depends on whether the "opinion" has any basis or whether it was even reasonably well thought out.

If its an opinion intended to troll some topic to fit some sort of personal narrative against somebody that really has no backing, then yes, your opinion won't be received well.

Or if that opinion comes from somebody who doesn't appear to actually watch games or understand anything about the game they are watching, then your opinion won't be received well.

A lot of people on here think people are just "homers" when they have a conflicting opinion that is "pro-team" or "pro-players", but in reality, there's plenty of people who just don't like opinions that aren't well thought out or can't even be defended.

That I can tell you for certain is your problem. I think you throw out a lot of opinions for click-bait and hope something sticks. And when people challenge you on them and make you defend them, you call them a "homer" and do nothing to defend your own opinion. And then you wait until an example of your opinion comes to light, and then you play the "told you so" card.

Today was a prime example of this. Its lazy.

What opinions did I not defend lol. The lack of playmakers comment is my opinion, however it is hard to quantify that opinion. The only way I can "back it up" is through using examples which I did by stating Drew Brees as he was once seen as a "bust" before partnering with Sean Payton. I am sure you can find other examples, but the one example for me is enough. As I said, and will say for the 3rd or 4th time, this is the NFL. Players are HEAVILY evaluated before they are selected and ALL of them are evaluated on their ability to make plays. 

10 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I was talking about Marlon Brown.

 

Pretty sure you quoted the wrong guy.

you responded to a quote which included Wes Welker

On 10/13/2016 at 0:58 PM, FerrariFan87 said:

Harbaugh should definitely be on the hot seat... his coaching decisions the past few years have led directly to losses, including the last 2. That's just not acceptable... that being said, most NFL Head Coaches are at least on a "warm" seat because it's all about winning, and we haven't been recently. The Super Bowl definitely bought him a few years though.

What do you have to say now that the season is a wrap? 

All good though. My opinions have been validated. I got called out week 3 when I told them John. H was a problem. Well...here the Ravens are for a 2nd season in a row. Bring on the hate, but the games speak for themselves. 

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

You should probably just stop.  lol

The lack of playmakers is a major problem on offense in Bmore and it seems you may be the only one that doesn't realize that fact. And to state the obvious the Saints don't get the "wins...talking about wins" because they have no defense. 

If the Ravens focus on finding playmakers for Flacco their D is most likely going to take cut and end up similar to the Saints but whatever. Forget I am on a board full of homers who can't think or take a different opinion and say "hey i understand your OPINION, I just agree to disagree", 

 

6 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Good for him to still find work...

Wes welker went from 1k seasons and a MAIN target to a 3rd WR who was used primarily in the redzone hence the high TD. However look at his next year after that...and that...Again you "expert fans" keep calling for play makers, and talking about how Tom Brady has them, but with how the NFL is set up there is BOUND to be a rotation in receiving corp which Brady has undergone and still been able to produce. If i am correct he STILL has never missed a playoff since being a full time starter in New England. Stop with the non sense. 

Just now, ravensdfan said:

Well we were actually just talking about playmakers in regards to Flacco's performance specifically. How pretty much every other QB deemed "elite" or "great" or whatever term you'd like to use has playmakers at his disposal. Which we don't have.

 

Again EVERY TEAM has play makers. This is the NFL. Professional football. Every one of those players were thoroughly inspected before they were drafted/ signed. Teams aren't going to hand out free money to bums if they don't bring any POTENTIAL.  You guys can argue this up and down all you want, but Baltimore has had "play makers" come through the team. 

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This is going to be the poster for the dumbest statement on the boards.

You just said a top three wide receiver EVER is a dime a dozen.

That's why teams routinely find a TO every year. 

You do you, bud.

maybe i should restate what i meant. They are "rare" as in finding WRs with that amount of talent is RARE. Ok buddy. 

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, the Saints offense was first in the NFL before this game, so they're play makers are doing their jobs.

Wins..talking about wins. But I use that as an example of how "play makers" don't automatically = wins since folks are under the impression THAT is the problem in Baltimore. Lack of "play makers". I just wonder if they realize Odells and TOs are RARE

1 minute ago, Moderator 3 said:

Tell that to the announcers who were lamenting the Ravens lack of play makers during the game.

One can say that about any team that has a "bad season"...but the 49ers don't go from playing in the Superbowl/ NFC championship to this season because of lack of "playmakers"...Same thing for the Saints who have "play makers" but still can't muster anything. If I remember correctly before the season began the Ravens were ranked pretty high purely because of their team composition. 

At the end of the day though this is the NFL. Every receiver/ RB/ QB has the potential to be great, it's all in finding the right system and right coaches who can bring out that greatness. Prime example is Drew Brees. 

Just now, ravensdfan said:

Who are they here?

They aren't being put into position to be "great". They are there though. Kenneth Dixon himself has shown he can make plays. I feel like Perriman under a different system would be pretty good. SSS was a play maker. Mike Wallace was a play maker in Pittsburgh, and fell off due to incompetent QBs, Pittsburgh knew how to utilize him and if Antonio Brown ever leaves hell face a similar fate. Dennis Pitta is a play maker. Ravens have the talent...it just isn't being used properly. 

btw EVERY team in the NFL has "play makers". This is the NFL. Please stop with that non sense. 

I have said this before, and I will say it again. Do not compare Joe Flacco to Tom Brady. He hasn't earned that right. Tom has had multiple receiver sets, and at one point his main receivers were TEs...heck it still is. Look what happens to most of his "star" receivers once they leave NE. Flacco is what he is, a middle of the road QB with great arm strength. He's a slightly better version if Jay Cutler. He is not "elite" at this moment, nor has he been over the previous years. 

1 minute ago, Wildabeast88 said:

If you remember after the 4th&29 he wasn't good Pierce was better in the playoffs 

if not for 4th and 29 they wouldn't have been in the playoffs. He may have had a rough last 1/4 of the season, but then again teams just started heavily game planning for him as he was literally 1/3 of the Ravens O at the time. 

1 minute ago, Wildabeast88 said:

19th ranked D in 2012 with Ray with one arm Suggs with one arm and one leg Reed with 2 bad knees Pollard with a bunch of broken ribs and no Ngata in the 2nd half yeah D carried him why we almost lost the Super Bowl because the D and Pees worthless play calling. But let's not let fact get in the way of bashing Joe.

You seemed to skip over my Ray Rice comment. He carried the team that year...but again folks have selective memories. 

Come to grips folks. Flacco is Mediocre at best, and relies on an elite D and run game. Once Ray Rice left, this team went with him rather folks want to admit it or not. 

John. H is a decent HC but nothing spectacular. He rode what was already built. Once the leadership left in 2012 the team lost a true identity and true leader. 

Revamp this entire team starting from the HC...and restructure that Flacco deal, hes getting paid elite QB money and performing at an average to below average level.