billiejean

Does anyone have any insight into the amount of interest that Riley Rieff is drawing. I don't even want to consider picking up DJ Fluker.

20 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

I do a lot better job than you

and that is why I am encouraging you to put in your resume 

17 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

I noticed billie jean that you like to comment on about everything I say you must really like me In the case of weddle I don't give a damn what anybody else thinks I know what a good football player looks like and you can disagree from now till hell freezes over but it doesn't change what I see Weddle is a average NFL safety and yes Me and lots of other smart fans know more about players than Some coaches, coaches sometimes have emotional attachment to players and fans will call it like it is by the way forgot to mention when weddle moved out of carson wentz's way and watched him score

I commented on your post this morning because it was such an outrageous assertion.  You should give your resume to Ozzy and the guys if you think you know more than they do.  We need all of the help we can get at this point.  With your 5 years of "organized football" experience you will be a shoe in. 

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

  2 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  10 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

  10 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Besides Weddle, who isn't that great but solid, we just can't judge the safety position- same things is true with TEs as of late. Maybe we need to let someone else draft/ decide which FAs to pick up in these positions

Eric weddle played at an all pro level last year even if it wasn't recognised - he's way more than solid - he solidified an entire unit by being excellent and a leader - I don't think there's any doubt that he was a phenomenal signing

notice how all the teams with the most cap space are perennial losers and the teams who annually spend the most in free agency are perennially mediocre - overpaying doesn't pay

right player-right price and Jefferson would not fit that bill - we'd be dumping Webb for a guy who we would be paying similarly when Webb played pretty well last year for his first season at safety

I see you are a weedle fan but just to clear it up he's average and on the down side of his career If he could have tackled A brown we would have beat the steelers and the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover

To be clear, Weddle missed THREE tackles ALL year. He was graded as the 10th BEST player in the ENTIRE nfl and the BEST safety in the league.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/10/14559076/pff-ranks-two-ravens-among-the-top-10-players-of-2016

He got beat over the top ONE TIME (link below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AC2if-GELA

It seems that these two plays (A Brown stop, C Hogan bomb) have become so prominent in your mind that you have extrapolated them across the entire season.

Yes because those 2 plays alone each cost us the game those are facts and far as pff goes their rankings don't mean JACK

Well, jsarrocohome you have bolstered your arguments in the past by highlighting your participation in "organized football" for 5 years. And I must admit that, that is extremely impressive. And it is an accomplishment that automatically makes your arguments about the Ravens much more credible than those that have played 4, 3, 2, 1 or 0 years of football. But I would ask you this... has your 5 years of football made you better at player evaluation than the coaches, players and pundits in the NFL. I ask you this because you will not find an article, interview, or transcript that agrees with your evaluation of Weddle. Are you so good at player evaluation that you are seeing something that they don't? Are they missing something so big that it would completely change their minds about Weddle?

If you can find an article, interview or transcript that supports your views I would love to see it.

Now lets forget about PFF for a moment. I am going to directly disprove your accusations.

"can't tackle he's slow and so overrated"
This is quote from you which I am going to disprove with real FACTS (Labeling your objective statements as facts is a bit disingenuous.)
WEDDLE missed THREE tackles this whole year. The notion that he can't tackle is absurd.
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/10/14559076/pff-ranks-two-ravens-among-the-top-10-players-of-2016

"the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover"
This is another one of your statements. For the first half of the year Weddle game up 5 passes for 25 yards. For the second half of the year he gave up 9 catches only one was for 25 yards or greater. Add on to that 4 interceptions and 13 passese defensed. Being out of position was clearly not an issue that he dealt with this year.http://feed.hypervocal.com/items/438534

These are facts. These are objective numbers with no grey area. Capitalizing the word "FACTS" does not make your subjective statements any more real.

  7 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

  8 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Besides Weddle, who isn't that great but solid, we just can't judge the safety position- same things is true with TEs as of late. Maybe we need to let someone else draft/ decide which FAs to pick up in these positions

Eric weddle played at an all pro level last year even if it wasn't recognised - he's way more than solid - he solidified an entire unit by being excellent and a leader - I don't think there's any doubt that he was a phenomenal signing

notice how all the teams with the most cap space are perennial losers and the teams who annually spend the most in free agency are perennially mediocre - overpaying doesn't pay

right player-right price and Jefferson would not fit that bill - we'd be dumping Webb for a guy who we would be paying similarly when Webb played pretty well last year for his first season at safety

I see you are a weedle fan but just to clear it up he's average and on the down side of his career If he could have tackled A brown we would have beat the steelers and the guy gets beat deep a lot because he plays out of position and doesn't have the speed to recover

To be clear, Weddle missed THREE tackles ALL year. He was graded as the 10th BEST player in the ENTIRE nfl and the BEST safety in the league.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/10/14559076/pff-ranks-two-ravens-among-the-top-10-players-of-2016

He got beat over the top ONE TIME (link below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AC2if-GELA

It seems that these two plays (A Brown stop, C Hogan bomb) have become so prominent in your mind that you have extrapolated them across the entire season.

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Well, franchise icons are released for a reason  - and anyway, if Mangold was in his better form, he'd surely be picked up in a whiff, with cap figures Baltimore couldn't even dream about allocating for him. What I do think is that he would still be an upgrade. But that's, of course, only what I, a mere fan, thinks. I may be totally wrong.

He certainly may be an upgrade, but with the Ravens salary cap the way it is we have to be judicious in our FA acquisitions.  And I think it a risky move not only because of the way he has played the last two season but also because he missed 8 games last year.  Of course my argument is predicated on the assumption that some team with a lot of cash to spend, is going to be willing to pay him a salary based on his performance from 2006 to 2012 rather than his performance over the last few year.  If he is willing to come in for a reasonable price I would be all for it.

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

I still see Garcon as a pipe dream - if he receives an offer from ozzie at all, he'll be offered much more money elswhere, of that I'm, sure. I'm afraid the same applies to Brandon Marshall.
The only free agent linked to the Ravens I think is really worth reaching deep into the pocket for, is Nick Mangold. Without a quality C the best we can hope for from, the O is something similar to what we saw last season...So, unless a cap-happy organization throws fool's money at him, I think Ozzie should make signing Mangold our free agent priority.

I agree that we need a better Center and that is a position that you need veteran experience. Mangold if healthy would really help solidify our line but I just worry about that ankle. He missed 8 games was placed on IR and said he needed surgery and now he is saying that he does not need the surgery because rehab went well. That concerns me.

Even when healthy Mangold has not played well the last two years.. "C Nick Mangold is a shell of himself, and missed games this season for the first time in his career. After grading as one of the best, if not the best, centers in the NFL from 2006–2012, his play has taken a steep decline since 2014." My concern is that we will pay for the 2006 - 2012 Mangold and we will get the 2014 - 2016 Mangold

6 hours ago, zing21042 said:

Bill,
R-u-kidding me? Disappointed? Look at the numbers? They say that just about any QB in football could have (did) play better than Joe. It says that with 26 of the other 31 QBs (including rookies) we would have had the same or better year had they played with the ravens. How is it even possible that one can pay a QB to be the second/third highest player in football and have him generate a quality of play like he was the last?

Joe runs the 2 minute offense like it is the 2 quarter offense. Granted, maybe the ravens have never been good at training QBs. But my god man, he has regressed rather than advanced in his fundamentals. He had the "weapons" this year but chose not to use them. It is not the fault of the wide receivers that "checkdown joe" fell in love with Pita all over again. And now you say don't be disappointed? How could I have been more disappointed by having a rookie QB play like Joe and be paid like a rookie? At least I can justify a rookie playing like a rookie; not a $28 million seasoned QB playing like a rookie.

You clearly didn't read what I wrote.  I am not saying that you will be disappointed at the performance a rookie QB. Clearly, you want Joe gone and soon.  The reason that I said you will be disappointed is because there is no chance that we get rid of Joe in the next two years.  I was tempering your expectations, so you aren't blindsided when we don't cut Joe in this offseason or the next.

If you really think we will cut Joe at the end of this year. Yes you will be disappointed because there is no chance we will do that.  And if you think he will not be with us in 2018, again that is not going to happen.  Prepare to be disappointed.  You have at least some hope in 2019 so that is something to look forward to I guess.  All of your numbers and assessment of his play have nothing to do with the point that I am making.  I am telling you the reality of the situation.  You can throw at me all of those statistics that you, want but that doesn't change the cold hard facts.

And if you are thinking that we will draft a QB in the early rounds in this years draft, this will not happen, and you will once again be disappointed.  There is, however, a chance we draft a quarterback later.  And if we do that there is a chance, albeit a very small chance that, that late rounder will turn into a successful starter for us in the next few years. But you shouldn't count on it

15 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I said IF Joe lays an egg. Almost anybody could push him. Look at Glennon's numbers on a terrible team looking for offensive line help. He has potential. So yes it is something you said. If Joe lays an egg and has his most shameful season yet, Mallet would be pushing him. You can forget Glennon or McCarron. Play poorly enough don't care who the backup is!

Yea out of all of those quarterback I think Mallet would give him his biggest challenge.  Are there any intriguing QB prospects later in the draft.  

Im surprised no one has mentioned Foster. Ive read conflicting reports about what happened yesterday.

2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yes I was referring to drafting a QB similar. And to say nobody could push joe is absurd. You can't say somebody wouldn't come in here and play well. Somebody very well could. And if you watch the Brady6 you will know Brady was eventually going to play the next time Bledsoe struggled again. Coaches were saying in preseason it is apparent we are playing our second best QB.  If Joe lays an egg it will not take much to push him.

I didnt say no one could push Joe. I said Mike Glennon or AJ McCarron are not going to push Joe.  Are you just skimming what I write or something? This is the second time you have taken issue with something I haven't said.

6 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I believe Joe Flacco is a top6 QB as much as anybody. IF he is protected with an elite line and allowed to comfortably glide through his receivers, set and throw. He slings it as good and accurate as anybody. However he needs that comfort in the pocket. It is the difference in him an elite QB and an average QB. 

However, if the line isn't upgraded and Joe could struggle again. If he struggles this year anybody thinking he is the unchallenged leader is not being honest with yourself. No matter how much money he is being paid. A mike Glennon, AJ McCarron,Webb, Kizer Mahomes will be brought in to push him. If Flacco lays an egg through 8 games and a Chad Kelly comes in and lights it up. Harbaugh will not be able to go back to Joe Flacco. The hailstorm of criticism would be to overbearing. It happened after Bledsoe signed a $100million contract.  If you ever watched the Brady6 then you know he was going to eventually play. 

If Joe Flacco lays an egg. Whomever wants to stand with him as the unchallenged QB is going to be in very lonely company. I will say Joe can still get it done if lays an egg while he is not supported with a good line and weapons.  But much of our fan base is going to want to try somebody different. Harbaugh will not have any credibility if he even attempts to call him an unquestioned franchise QB. Not while Joe Flacco is laying his third egg in a row.

Which is reason I believe this draft will be more offensively laced than many fans think. Management has to know Flacco plays vastly superior when his protection dominates. It is not only the season that hangs in the balance but Joe's massive contract will look Bad bad BAD. Management that gave him the extension after a terrible year will look bad, terrible. I wouldn't rule out signing Marshall and trading for Maclin. He has similar speed as Wallace but is a more complete player and route runner.  Then double dip on the offensive line in the opening 3 rounds. Especially if we lose Wagner to free agency. I'm going to guess we strike a deal this spring. If Wagner signs elsewhere however, ravens will double dip offensive line.

The only thing that you have said here which would counter my predictions for this offseason is the bit about Kizer and Mahomes.  Are you suggesting we will draft one of those guys.  They will go in the first 3 rounds and thats not going to happen.  I don't understand how we would bring them in after this year if we didn't draft them. Would we trade for them or are you saying that we would draft a QB similar to them early in next years draft?  Its definitely possible that we draft a QB early in next years draft if things don't go well.  Where in my statement did I say that would not be an option? But if you think Mike Glennon or AJ Mcarron will "push" Joe, that is a bit unrealistic.  Its also not realistic to think that we will bring in Maclin or Marshall in the offseason and thinking we will bring in both is absurd.  The difference between the situation we are in with Joe and Bledsoes situation is that we do not have a QB like Brady waiting in the wings.  I am not even convinced that Bill B knew he had a guy that could play the way Brady has at that time.  But because Brady got a trial run while Bledsoe was hurt it was an easy decision.  I am not sure why you would equate that to the situation that we are in.

12 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Don't even sweat it. Billiejean is a certified flacco homer. He will defend Joe even if he throws for 1TD/1INT every game for the whole season. Oh wait....joe almost did last year...

SPOILER ALERT

I am a realist my friend and I think that you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment.  I know that cutting Joe, forcing Joe to take a pay cut, trading Joe, or drafting a guy early to compete with Joe for the 2017 are a popular ideas thrown around in this forum.  And because of this popularity it may seem like at least one of the aforementioned actions is inevitable. But, contrary to popular belief, the F.O. does not look at the comment sections on its website in order to determine what moves to make next.  I certainly wouldn't consider myself a Flacco apologist (he can be beyond frustrating at times) as much as I would consider myself a person of logical \ rational \ pragmatic thought.  My condolences to those of you who haven't come to this reality before reading this.  I will keep you in my prayers.  

1 hour ago, zing21042 said:

1) Where did I say that we should use a first round pick on a QB?
2) We have had quite a few first round picks that have been busts and they were not QBs.
3) Nothing is a "sure thing. On defense we have been just as successful with undrafted FA as we have been with early draft picks.
4) Great. Flacco had another stellar year...but his completion percentage was mediocre that year also. What about the plethora of lackluster years?
5) We can agree to disagree...but we need some young blood. Flacco will not be our solution going forward.

You would have to use a high rounder in order in order to increase the odds of him actually becoming a successful starter.  Once the fourth round comes around it's going to be slim pickins as far as quarterbacks go.  I was under the impression your goal was to draft a guy that would be able to take the reigns from Joe in the next few year, but if the type of young blood you are looking for is in the last 3 rounds you may get be in luck.  Taking a QB then is actually a plausible scenario, but statistically the chances that he takes over the starting gig from Flacco are very very small. And yes Flacco will be our QB for this year and most likely the next and most likely the year after that.  Im warning you ahead of time so you dont get disapointed.

9 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

12 hours ago, ravensuperbowlbound11 said:

C'mon Garrett, Sam Rodgers played at Virginia Tech, don't disrespect my Hokies like that.

Brandon Marshall was just released by Jets. Sounds like a perfect signing for Ravens.

We absolutely HAVE to sign Bmarsh. Should've worked out a trade before he was released. Our FO.............

And that would be a terrible idea. Not only would be have to pick up his huge salary but we would also potentially have to give up some draft picks.  And not only do we not HAVE to sign him, but we won't.  We all look forward to your diatribe about how horrible our FO when the news comes that he has signed with another team. 

I'm dreaming a little but...

Let Bwill walk

Resign Wagner

Let juice walk. Dixon is just as versatile 🤞

Sign Marshall

Sign Hightower

Draft a CB round 1

Draft a Rusher round 2

Sign Mangold or draft a big C Round 3

Draft a S round 3

BPA rest of the draft

Question is, do we realistically have the cap space for those 3 guys and does the draft board set up in a way that makes this possible. The Hightower signing is probably a stretch. 

 

 

And the answer to the first question is no. We wouldn't be able to afford those guys. Even if we just sign Marshall his contract will use a huge percentage of the little money that we have. If we could afford Mangold it would be a huge risk to take him. I mean the guy is 33 years old and he is coming off 2 bad seasons. He was also injured for half of the year in 2016. But in spite of these concerns a team is going to pay him well, too well. The answer to the second question is that statistically there is a very low chance that we will draft those positions in that order, but it is possible.

  20 hours ago, TheRavengers said:

  21 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

Playing the devil's advocate, I think we should start looking farther ahead than one year. Since the SB, Flacco's performance has been lackluster at best. Even that year, his play-off performance was exceptional, but his performance during the regular season was...OK.

I think we need to start grooming a young QB to take over, rather than "fill-in" for Flacco. The Flaccman has engendered some bad habits over the past few years that we will see again next year. He had weapons last year but did not use them because his mantra became "Checkdown Charlie". Expect to see that next year as well. Flacco has lost the ability to survey and look down field. He has become more concerned with getting hit. Unlike other QBs, Flacco needs and takes a lot of time in the pocket that our offensive line cannot give him. I do not blame the line...they give him enough time, just not as much as he needs.

We require some young, hungry blood that is not afraid of taking risks. Clearly, that is not Flacco. It may have been at one time, but no longer. I am all for a draft pick; high or low and start distancing ourselves from loosers. Of note, Brady, Rothlesberger, Prescott, Cunningham, Rivers, Steve Young, Doug Flutie....the list is long of young back-up QBs who displaced their "first string QBs" and went on to great careers. The time is ripe for the Ravens to follow suit.

That would be a huge mistake. Are you really suggesting that we should spend a first or a second on a QB this year? I mean those are the rounds where starting QBs are found? Drafting QBs is a far from a sure thing though. There is less than a 50 percent chance that a QB picked in the first round will be successful and it goes downhill from there. And when you factor in the fact that this is such a weak class in the QB department, taking a QB high just doesn't make sense. We have plenty of other holes that need filling. Wasting a high round pick on a QB isn't an option on the table, but we could take one in the later round. But don't expect a QB taken late to become the heir apparent to Flacco. I also think there is some selective remembrance going on here and yea two years without a playoff run does that (for Ravens fans at least). Flacco had arguably his best season in 2014 which was 2 years after the superbowl.

  2 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
 

You really need to quit spewing the same lies.

The Ravens had a very good rate at avoiding 3-and-outs. Of their 192 drives, only 35 ended in a 3-and-out, which is an 18.23% rate and good for 6th best in the league (LINK). That's in front of teams like the Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, and even the Patriots who were bottom 6.

Also, the Ravens had a positive TOP on the year and were above-average (12th overall) for the league (LINK). 

I am pretty sure Chuckx is just messing with people or "trolling" as they say. He goes over the same three or four points in every article regardless of what the subject is. And he doesnt ever reply to others responses. Some of the points he makes seem too fanciful to be real. Its almost as if he is going so far over the top to ensure that people will react.

I believe Flaccos development was better early on with Cam Cameron and a very experienced Marc Bulger as backup. If you look at Flacco from his rookie year through 2012 there was a clear progression of skills. However, since then, along with the half dozen or so OC's he has had, his knee injury and having Taylor who really had nothing to offer to Flacco, he has regressed. Flacco needs a vet he can look up to which is certainly not Ryan Mallett. And as far as Mohrningweg is concerned, regardless of the reason for keeping him, I think Flacco will progress by having the same OC and the same system for two years in a row. I think they are doing Flacco a disservice by not getting a qb coach and having Mohrningweg do two jobs.

Bulger was only here for 2010. Taylor was with the team in 2011 and 2012 and both of those years we were pretty good. Youre grasping at straws again my friend.

3 hours ago, Cawtious said:

Didn't say I based on filmstudy solely.  I have eyes and watched game films.  Just my opinion and I guy I have respect for.

Do you have NFL game pass?

15 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

I am sorry i typed Nembot but I meant Ducasse. I could be mistaken but what I thought played out pretty well was moving Yanda at left guard. Because where Urschel struggled the most was at Left guard.
Also, Jensen plays well, I didn't say great, but all three are young and can improve.
You cannot expect to have a pro bowler/ superstar at every position, the Ravens will have no money to work with.

My reasoning is to keep Williams and let Wagner go.

Right now I am only using the guys on the team, it might be possible to have more available and move things around in many ways. picking up another Guard or T is not out of the question. However I believe the weakness is at Center this also was part of the scenario to keeping alternates.

Yea I think will get a few rookie in camp as well.  A good portion of the roster is yet to be seen or at least that what I am hoping.

To me, I'm actually real comfortable with Alex Lewis as a Guard, but keeping Wagner definitely boosts my confidence for next year. Although, I'd like to see more from Nembot and Wesley too.

those guys are going to be fighting to make the team. I almost hope I don't see more of them because that will mean that we have drafted or picked up UDFAs that are better than they are.

3 hours ago, Cawtious said:

4 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

I think relying on Nembot, Jensen or Urschel for next season would be a mistake. Both Jensen and Urschel had the opportunity to claim a starting spot last year and could not do so. Their play was disappointing. Expecting Nembot to step up from the practice squad to the starting lineup is quite a reach. We need better O-line play than these three can provide.

I think what was disappointing was not the play of Jensen and Urschel.  What was disappointing is the evaluation of their play compared to Ducasse.  That's an evaluation issue, not a playing issue.  They are both better than Ducasse, IMHO.  Looking at their grading by Filmstudy and watching the games carefully, I don't see them as a downgrade at the position. 

I question Castillo and Harbaugh, in regards to their judgment. 

What creates havoc on an O-line is constantly mixing guys up in their positional assignments, and not letting a unit gel (when you can, sometimes injuries make that difficult/impossible).  Playing musical chairs up front is not helping the issue. 

I dont think you can come to that type of conclusion based solely on "filmstudy".  Although Ducasse is terrible he played better than those guys did at the beginning of the season.  I think the real question for John would be why did we cut Ducasse and let Urschel and Jenon start ahead of him.  Does the RSR have a place where they post the grades that players recieved for each game in one place or is it a bunch of different articles.

  3 hours ago, Raven in ATL said:

if he doesnt want to resign, id rather have Alex Lewis at RT. two young bookends on the Oline with Stanley and Lewis. we can go look for a left guard afterwards in draft or FA

Agreed, we have 3 RG on the team now that all can play well. Nembot, Jenson and Urschel. both Jenson and Urschel are also back up Centers. So the Ravens could pick up Elflein the best center in the draft/ college and potentially have the best O-line in the NFL.Could even be better than Dallas if all of them can stay on the field.

The cost is low too! leaves money for a RB and WR

Frank you can't be serious here. 3 RG that play well? Urschel has played horribly since starting the last 3 or 4 games of the season 3 years ago (his rookie year). He admirably then, but its all be down hill from there.. Jenson is up and down. He put up a few stinkers this year (I think Jenson is by far the most talented of the trio) and Nembot??? I don't recall him making it off the practice squad last year. Its possible that he did for a game but I am sure he was never activated on game day. You cant determine a guys ability by looking up his height and weight. It just doesnt work that way. Alex L is also a question mark at the RT position. Nembot will be fighting for a roster spot.

if he doesnt want to resign, id rather have Alex Lewis at RT. two young bookends on the Oline with Stanley and Lewis. we can go look for a left guard afterwards in draft or FA

You have no idea how Alex Lewis plays at right tackle. He did a terrible job at LT and had growing pains at guard.