billiejean

  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

  7 hours ago, Purple Hazard said:

  8 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

IF, we actually draft Bosa w/ our 6th pick, is he an instant starter?  If Suggs comes back 100% healthy

where does Bosa get his reps? Does he play run downs allowing Doom to go back to his role of 2014 coming

in on passing situations?  Curious to know how he would be utilized if we select him.  

I think there would be plenty of options :) You can always find a way to use great players. If we get Bosa the pass rush should be fun to watch

unless you are as clueless as dean pees

The Greek.... I am with you there.... I shudder to think of all the high defensive draft picks that Pees has made look bad. 1st rounder Elam, 2nd rounder Arthur Brown, 2nd Rounder Upshaw (while he hasn't really been bad he has not lived up to expectations either) 3rd rounder Terrence Brooks, 4th rounders John Simon, Christian Thompson and 5th rounders Asa Jackson and Tray Walker.... Bottom line is If you are a DB under Pees you are not going to cut it... and that he has not gotten much out of many high picks from 2012 to 2015.... ( he has had some decent ones to but ...still seem to be not getting the most out of some of these investments) Could he really make Joey Bosa look like a bad pick??? or Jalen Ramsey???

yea its all Dean Pees' fault. if it weren't for him all of those players you have mentioned would surely be perennial pro bowlers.

  6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  6 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Tunsil is a Jonathan Ogden type tackle. He is the best player in the draft. Now the Chargers taking Ronnie Staley and Bosa falling to No. 6 seems unrealistic, but if that happens I might loose my mind in excitement.

IMO if Bosa is available at 4, swap picks and trade up so the Jags don't take him. (Cowboys need a QB, but know he will still be there at 6). We would have to give up our 3rd Round Pick, or our 4th and 5th.

Bosa is as sound, and as talented as it gets at DE. On top of that he has an incredible motor and he would bring that intensity that this defense lacks Ex-Suggs.

1. I'd never classify any draft pick as a HOF type player until proven otherwise. I haven't heard anything about Tunsil that I haven't heard before about various prospect LTs. Some of them became very good, and some of them struggled for years. 

2. I have zero idea why people are convinced Dallas is taking a QB at #6, because frankly, it would shock me if they did. I'm not even sure there's a franchise QB in this entire draft class to be honest, and I don't see Dallas taking one to sit on the bench for 2-3 years, which is what will happen. I'd handicap the Browns taking a QB at #2 at 50/50 to be honest, because again, I just don't see who this quality QB is that teams are supposed to fall in love with. I get the whole "you need a QB in this league" idea, and I agree with it, but that doesn't mean you just keep drafting them over and over again and hoping to hit. Cleveland could very easily and justifiably determine that day 2 QBs aren't that much different than day 1 QBs in this draft (and I'd probably agree with that), so it wouldn't make much sense to take one at #2.

Has all the makings of Dallas using a day 2 or 3 pick on a QB, particularly when they probably are legitimate SB-level contenders this upcoming season if they are healthy.

Dallas taking a QB is about the most talked about topic currently, especially at the Senior Bowl. Would you rather start a QB who isn't ready on what is deemed to be a "win now city", or groom one as much as you can before Romo has to hang it up. BTW Romo retiring might be sooner than later, based on his ability to finish the season strong over the last few years and his re-injury history. Clearly the backup QB play is what landed them the 4th overall pick. Everyone in the NFL scouting community seems to believe that Carson Wentz has all the tools you would look for in a successful NFL QB, and it is clear that the QB is the most sought after position in the NFL. Maybe they prefer a guy who will fall to the second Round, but everyone has them all over Wentz. It is merely wishful thinking that both Dallas and Cleveland take a QB with their first picks, but everyone seems to believe that is the most likely outcome. To me Manziel is not even an option for teams, until he can prove that he can put football first. I think he ends up somewhere as a backup again under an established vet.

Tunsil will be dominant. There isn't anything else I need to say other than the fact that he is the best player in the draft and he will be the 1st player taken.

Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher and Matt Kalil. These OTs were takin at 2, 1 and, 4 respectively and none of them has panned out. Fisher was also considered the best player in the draft and he has been anything but dominant. There are plenty of other names I could have listed there that have been taken early in the first and not panned out. OT is a crap shoot. There are no Joe Thomas' or JOs in this draft.

  15 hours ago, billiejean said:

Ragland is more of a inside backer (he is a liability in coverage) and more of a run stuffer. Upshaw and Ragland have similar forty times so we wouldn't be gaining any speed by drafting him.

Ragland could play either OLB or ILB in the NFL. He played strong side LB in the Senior Bowl, but he could be a run-stuffing ILB too like he was in college.

He has been compared to Hightower, who is good vs the run and not useless in coverage, unlike Upshaw. 

I wouldn't say that Hightower is great in coverage, Jamie Collins yes but Hightower is average at best. The difference between Hightower and Ragland is that Hightower runs a 4.52 and Ragland runs a 4.62. It doesn't seem like much but it will make a difference. Ragland will have tremendous difficulty trying to cover anyone in this league.

  53 minutes ago, billiejean said:

You would think they would have given us a warning about this or something instead of just springing this on us. You would also think there would be some type of explanation for the changes. I mean there are a ridiculous amount of mods on this site (who most likely knew this was coming) and they are being unusually quiet.

There actually was a notice on the forum page for several days indicating when they would be making this change.

unfortunately I haven't the slightest clue as to what the forum page is or how to get there

our 6th and 7th rd picks never pan out and our 5th rd picks rarely do as well. we do not have a 5th this year but may have (4) 4th rd picks if we are awarded 2 comp picks. i would try and pkg these pick to move up in the any rd. for a chance to grab a higher rated player. plus the less players we draft the less $$ we have to pay to the rookies leaving us more money to sign cap casualties or training camp cuts.

Rookie salary cap is different from the team salary cap. It won't save any money. Scroll down to the last question here.....
http://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-salary-cap-faqs/

  4 hours ago, respecttheRaven said:

  4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

 

How are you accessing the site? I can give thumbs up/down.  

I can only thumbs up/down in the forum section. In the main article I cannot even see a up/down option.

I don't see a thumbs up or thumbs down anywhere ...... I am just about completely lost in this format ?

You would think they would have given us a warning about this or something instead of just springing this on us. You would also think there would be some type of explanation for the changes. I mean there are a ridiculous amount of mods on this site (who most likely knew this was coming) and they are being unusually quiet.

Upshaw just isn't skilled enough in coverage to be anything other than a run-down LB (he's really more of a big end). I have this gut feeling they let Upshaw walk and draft Reggie Ragland in the 2nd, history repeating itself with a high 2nd round Bama RB who is better vs the run. (although Ragland isn't useless in coverage)

Ragland is more of a inside backer (he is a liability in coverage) and more of a run stuffer. Upshaw and Ragland have similar forty times so we wouldn't be gaining any speed by drafting him.

19 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

Why is it ridiculous? 6'2" 215? You know a big guy like that will feast on the pass catcher friendly rules of today's NFL.

Who are all the WRs that went top 5-10 that have not performed well and then remind me why it is ridiculous to compare him to Fitz Jones and ODBJr

there are a lot of people in this world that are 6'2" and weigh 215 pounds.  Measurements don't mean that someone is going to be an elite receiver.  First off treadwell is slower than the elite receivers in the league.  Now speed doesn't always mean that a receiver isn't going to be great.  ODB isn't the fastest guy but he knows how to run routes very well.  Laquans routes leave a lot to be desired.  He rarely gets separation (which is key to being an elite receiver).  He is more of a jump ball kind of guy (which isn't a bad thing) but if you are picking at six the guy had better be able to get separation on a regular basis..  But like i said, I wouldn't be apposed to trading back and picking him up a bit later in the draft.

The idea that Laquon Treadwell is a reach is just utterly ridiculous. How could the man be a reach at 6 if he is projected to go at 9???? Even at 14???

A reach means the man went 15 - 20 picks to a whole round earlier than he should have. That's probably a better definition of a reach.

If Treadwell is there, the Ravens better not think too hard about pulling the trigger on him.

There are only so many bonafide studs i.e. Larry Fitz, Julio Jones, ODBJr. After all it is a passing league. There is likely no pass rusher to be taken at #6 and there is a chance that there is no left tackle to be taken at #6.

the idea that you see Laquon Treadwell as a "bonafide stud" is utterly ridiculous. There are no receivers comparable to the ones that you have mentioned in this draft. Just because he is the best WR in this class doesn't mean he is going to turn into a superstar like your Larry Fitz, Julio Jones and ODBs. And yes as of now he would be a reach at six. The combine could change this but as of now I would only take him if we moved back in the draft a little bit.

The idea that Laquon Treadwell is a reach is just utterly ridiculous. How could the man be a reach at 6 if he is projected to go at 9???? Even at 14???

A reach means the man went 15 - 20 picks to a whole round earlier than he should have. That's probably a better definition of a reach.

If Treadwell is there, the Ravens better not think too hard about pulling the trigger on him.

There are only so many bonafide studs i.e. Larry Fitz, Julio Jones, ODBJr. After all it is a passing league. There is likely no pass rusher to be taken at #6 and there is a chance that there is no left tackle to be taken at #6.

laquon treadwell is not a bonafide stud. Comparing him to Fitz Jones and ODBjr is ridiculous. This wide Receiver class doesn't have any "bonafide studs". Its a week class especially up front.

It's a distinct possibility that the Ravens lose Aiken even with a 2nd rd tender. He could be sought after by several teams as a solid #2.

I don't really see that as a possibility at all, but if it were to happen, I would happily accept a second round pick.  

billiejean.... the Patriots currently flop between a 4-3 and a 3-4. They do right now. THey have actually bragged about being able to adjust to their opponent. Dick LeBeau is a good example and he did it pretty well. Before joining Pittsburgh in 1992 he was with the Bengals and ran a 4-3 in 1991.... in 1992 he went to Pittsburgh and established the 3-4... Recently left Pittsburgh (where he ran a 3-4 for over a decade) and became the DC with the Titans who run primarily a 4-3. Mike Smith was changed on the fly in TB running a 3-4 one year and then back to a 4-3.... Our own Chuck Pagano took over in Indy and switched them over to a 3-4 without swapping out a DC (at least at the time)... and Mike Manusky was tasked with handeling the crossover! Those are just some and there are a ton of college examples also - it happens and Leslie Frazier has the experience and understanding of the game to be able to make that switch.. if necessary!

i stand corrected 

The Patriots run a 4-3 and that is where Pees came from. Frazier is a professional coach with 27 years exp... he understands football, defensive football and football philosophy enough to fit into a system. This is what coaches and players do in the NFL... yes there are OLBs that and even some DL more suited for a 4-3 then a 3-4 and vice versa but coaches move from system to system... all throughout the league. As bad as Pees has had our defense perform... I would not be surprised if Frazier was not meant to be an in house insurance program.... in case we had to send Pees packing... Frazier has the knowledge, ability and experience to not just adjust but to step in and take over if needed.

When Dean was with the patriots they ran the 3-4.  There are very few DCs that switch from 4-3 to 3-4 or vice versa.  If you can find any examples of this I would love to know about them.

This site tells you the types of defenses that teams have utilized and in what year they were utilized. Like I said, if you can find a DC that flip flops between defenses I would love to know about it.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/

My bad (didn't even think to look that up), so if he does well, it's another one and gone scenario where he could go to a team not named the Browns. Appreciate the info billiejean

I mean I'm sure the guy knows enough about a 3-4 defense to coach one.  Heck maybe we actually switch to the 4-3, stranger things have happened. Although both of these scenarios are pretty unlikely, i actually think poor old Arthur Brown would do better in a 4-3 defense as a will linebacker.

Interesting that Frazier would rather be our secondary coach than the DC for the Browns. Either he views the Browns as "a bad career move", would rather coach with his long time friend harbs, or perhaps he could be in line for something bigger if the secondary improves... One can hope right?

 

Couldn't imagine having to make sure the shower is big enough before getting a place lol, happy for Mr. Williams

Are you insinuating that Frazier could be in line for the DC job at some point?  You do realize that he is a specialist in the 4-3 tampa 2 defense (he has never been a DC or HC in a system other than the 4-3 tampa 2).  If he became the DC it would necessitate a total change in defensive philosophy.  Not to mention a total overhaul of our defensive personnel.

Z. Smith is 6'4 275 and can play outside or inside. He'll get better. Can't wait to see how these large pass rushers move at the combine. Whether S, pass rusher, or CB we will get better defensively where we are picking in the draft in the first 3 rounds

there is no way you put a guy with Z smiths measurables in the middle.  He is a prototypical OLB/DE hybrid.  Inside guys in the 34 usually have less length and weigh in the 240 to 250 range.  I mean he could come up the middle on a twist or another stunt but there is no way you play the guy at ILB.  You have to let a guy like that use his size and length on the edge against the OTs.

I guess that's why GMs don't get paid to listen to Mel Kiper. Wasn't he the one that said Elam was a perfect fit? Shaq Lawson, Calhoun, Bosa can rush the passer very well. Who cares if they can't cover. The league is not design to favor guys to cover. The rules make it too hard. Suggs, Dumervil, Upshaw, JJ for Ravens- D Ware, Miller on broncos are not great cover guys. You adjust your defense to talent as it presents itself.Panthers, Bengals, Cards, Seahawks are among the top defenses and run the 4-3. I think the Ravens should consider adjusting that if the available talent suits that scheme.

We do give some 4-3 looks in our hybrid system.  But switching to a totally different defensive philosophy is really easier said than done.  Out of the top five defenses during the regular season only one uses a 4-3 scheme (Seattle) and the cards run a 3-4.

January J, yes but not in the sense that their implying as an every down pass rusher. Plus just cause he can blitz doesn't mean he is effective using pass rushing moves

where have you seen that he is being projected to be on the inside.  he has the measurable to be an outside guy. i mean he could be an inside guy but his measurable are more in line with a OLB.  i really don't know much about this years draft so i could just be out of the loop.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=128150&draftyear=2017&genpos=OLB

That is not really a question, is it? After the Super Bowl win, it was kind of obvious that it's gonna take a monster deal to keep Flacco in Baltimore. And when you have a monster contract, it has to have huge chunks at some point. For Flacco, it starts with year 3.

hey bio would you by chance know what draft picks we have this year.  I know we don't know the compensatory picks yet, but didn't we do some pick swapping for Gino Gradkowski and even for that UDFA center that we sent to the niners.  I can't find this info anywhere.  Cheers 

Because I said "yess, the bengals lost"? Lol. I honestly just don't like the bengals. Im glad they lost, but at the same time I'm not sitting at home hoping they all lose just because we are not in the playoffs, I just don't like the Bengals lol. Its all about seeing how the playoffs play out.  

i can dig that

Lesley Frazier is Available, good defensive coach...Grab him up

he is 4-3 tampa 2 kind of guy, I'm not sure that would suit our defense. 

Hey, jean. Williams played on a 3-4 in Houston. ?o

When they drafted him the Texans ran a 4-3.  I mean the guy is 6'7 and out of college he weighed 295 pounds.  His natural position is DE in 4-3 scheme (He is also probibly big enough to play DE in a 3-4 system but at that position  you wouldn't be able to utilize his speed).  But you're right when wade phillips was the DC they did switch to 3-4. Im not saying he can't play OLB.  He is just better suited at DE.  

That's correct billiejean. That's where we differ in as much as I believe the team should go back to a legit 4/3 line. If you have two full size pass rushing DE's and two beefcakes in the middle(a la 2000 SB ravens)and ones who can actually push the OL back then that frees up the LB's even more. And the opponents would have their hands full with a McPhee types DE's along with the LB's. Remember, our starting LB's are all now into their 30's and it's only a matter of time before they must move on. And if the replacements aren't up to the take they're in trouble.

The only issue with that is that for the past 10 years (maybe longer) we have been drafting players that fit a 3-4 defense.  There are major differences between an OLB in a 3-4 and a DE in a 4-3.  The defensive tackles and linebackers also differ greatly from one system to the next.  Not that it couldn't be done (sometimes a defense that has been one way for a lot of years changes because of a new coach) Its just like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.  If we were to switch, you're right, we would have to draft or pick up some new look DTs, DE and LBs (I actually think Art Brown would have more success as an OLB in a 4-3 system). It isn't always successful though.  What comes to mind is Buffalo.  They had Jim Shwartz as a cordinater who ran a 4-3 and they switched to a 3-4 because of Rex.  There was a dramatic decrease in production from Shwartz to Ryan because their DEs (Mario Williams, Jerry Hughes) along with their DTs (Marcell Dareus, Kyle Willams) had a difficult time adjusting to the new system. But im sure that there are other instances where the transition from one D to another worked well.  I just can't think of any at the moment.  

Billijean, not sure what games you have watched, but the kid has made some insane catches, and the TD called back against the Fins, was a pretty good route he ran....But jobs are won and ost in camp so we will see...

the last two games where he has looked woefully overmatched and has a case of the dropsies.  His measurable are intriguing though, he just needs to work on the rout tree.

Only here on this site, I read stories about how Juice 'became one of the league's best,' and how Kamar Aiken should be considered a '#1' receiver- sometimes I feel like I'm reading the National Enquirer- I don't know what to believe anymore

you are always hating on the stories (everyone is drinking the purple koolaid) and you say pretty much the same thing in all of your posts, just worded differently (the ravens haven't drafted well in the last 5 years, and we won't be going to the playoffs for the next two to three years) but what is astonishing is that you are one of the most prolific posters on this site.  My question is if you think all of the writers are drinking the koolaid, and you think the ravens are so terrible why do you read the articles and feel the need to comment on almost every single article.  I'm not trying to hate on you or anything i am just curious..  whats in it for you?  Why post so much ?