billiejean

i am putting my $$ on elam to make some noise next season.

that would surely be a pleasant surprise

36 minutes ago, chuchu707 said:

We are truly going to regret it if we dont draft noah spence

On this forum spence is highly overrated. Ever since they did that article on himm everyone on this site (even the ones who didn't know who spence was before the article) has jumped on that bandwagon. People take articles on this site as absolute truths, you need to do your own research, watch some game tape (not just the highlights) and form your opinions. He comes up short in a lot of areas even playing lower level talent. At this point he's not worth the sixth overall pick.

Shaq Lawson may be available at 6. It's hard to say who will actually go and in what order. But he is the pass rusher we need.

shaq will definitely be there at six unless he has an amazing combine. He is more of 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. Doesn't have good hip flexibility and certainly not worthy of the sixth over all pick.

Man, that Oher-slide sure looks like a Madden bug...

haha I wouldn't have pegged you as a Madden guy Bio. But I think thats because I associate you with your profile picture and intuitively have believed that you look similar to that old grumpy man.

Mel Kiper Jr. needs to simmer down a little. Let me state this as something that's absolutely going to happen when we draft at #6. One of Bosa, Ramsey or Bucker will be available for us to pick and we shall pick one of those 3 players. End.

wow i wish i had a crystal ball. Buckner would not fill a position of need. He plays a position where we have L Guy, B Urban and maybe Canty. Its not a major pass rushing situation. He has the size to be a premier DE in a 3-4 and in the 4-3 but he has not had a lot of production in college. I would pass on that guy.

2 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

two thing's,bad draft year for talent,if ramsey's gone before #6 we really should trade back,also PERRIMAN is a BUST,cut ties now,he'll be OFT-INJURED and VERY FEW,VERY FEW have come back the same after his injury,so at best he will be a second teer reciever,sorry ravens fan's.

I'm sure you have done a lot of research on his injury. LOL Your lack of knowledge about the inner workings of a football team has failed you my friend. Why would we cut him when he isn't taking up a significant cap space. Or maybe you are a doctor, being that you know so much about his injury. LOL

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

I don't understand the logic predicting Stanley at # 6.

They have Monroe at LT with a hefty contract and Urshel at LG.

The pick isn't an immediate impact and is one of those "safe" moves that seldom produces Lombardi trophies.

where is your data that states safe moves in the draft do not lead to superbowls. Or did you just pull that out of nowhere.

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

I don't understand the logic predicting Stanley at # 6.

They have Monroe at LT with a hefty contract and Urshel at LG.

The pick isn't an immediate impact and is one of those "safe" moves that seldom produces Lombardi trophies.

i think there is a misconception about Urshel at guard.  He gets in a lot of articles on this forum so everyone thinks he's an all star (same thing is happening with spence). In reality Urshel is an average to below average guard who is brilliant, but lacks some of the physical tools to be a star in this league. In fact Jenssen is a much better guard than Urschel. He just doesn't get any publicity.

2 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Just a recap of what I said yesterday, if the ravens want a gamechanger they have to trade up to get Ramsey and if Noah Spence slips to 20 or so, they need to move back in and get him. We are at a turning point and we need to acquire some top rated players. Yes it will cost a couple picks to move up but I don't mind losing a couple to get who we really NEED. Ramsey and Bosa should be one and two on our board based on our defense last year. I think the writing is on the wall and if Ozzie doesn't secure at least two starters on defense on the draft, he may retire next year and DeCosta may take over. Ozzie said he will stay as long as it is fun to come to work, I can't imagine if we have a losing season next year, after 2 losing seasons and 3 out of 4 out of the playoffs, it will still be fun for Ozzie to come to work. Here is where he solidifies his legacy by moving up and getting the guy we need. We need defense, we have Perriman as a spare first rounder this year so we don't need to grab a WR until we take a flyer on someone late. I am good with who we have and a couple free agents.

you say the same thing everyday, and everyday it is clear that it would be impossible for us to do the things you think we should do. Trading from the sixth pick in the second round down to the 20th pick in the first round will not happen. We would have to give up most, to all of our picks (except the compensatory ones). Its time for you my friend to start looking at the reality of the situation. Its also interesting that everyone thinks spence is going to be a superstar. Im sure no one had any idea who he was before they did a piece on him. But since that piece he is the talk of the town. I would wait for the combine to crown him as a top pass rusher. Reality is one hell of a drug.

  18 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

  21 hours ago, billiejean said:

  21 hours ago, Raven_Don said:

  21 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Deepest RB class was definitely the 2008 Ravens when we ran heavy because Flacco was a rookie: Le'ron McClain, Willis McGahee, and Ray Rice. I loved that team. We were so physical on both sides of the football...We lost our physicality ever since the SB, and the retirement of Ray Lewis.

Our defense will not be good enough unless we address it heavily through the draft, FA, and underperforming players are willing to take pay cuts, which is unlikely. I think the Trestman offense is all about stats, and does little for the win column because we fail to control time of possession. I think we are somewhere around 8-8, but we get the easy NFC East which could propel us to 10-6, only to get bounced out of the playoffs quick.

I beg to differ I think the trio of Rice... McGahee... and Ricky Williams was a better trio... Just my opinion of course..

again we picked up Ricky Williams in 2011 because we let Mcgahee walk (he ended up in denver). Williams and Mcgahee never played together.

I think we were deepest in 08-09 when we had McGahee, McClain, and Rice! That was a scary backfield

McClain and McGahee against Dallas in 08 was a thing of beauty.

joe flacco looked pretty sharp in that game too

I've read rumors (probably smoke) that Dallas and Jacksonville are both very high on Ramsey too. I wouldn't suggest falling in love too early.

yea iim hoping the Cowboys grow fond of one of these QBs

41 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

4 hours ago, billiejean said:

I would also argue that CB as priority number one. The only starter we have as of now is Jimmy Smith. So it would behoove us to take one that will be able to contribute right away. And those types of CBs are not going to be there in later rounds. Impact pass rushers are easier to find in later rounds than impact corners. But just because CB is our priority doesn't mean we have to take one in the first. Our first round pick is not set in stone. The players that are taken 1-5 will dictate who we take.

I think Shareece Wright proved more than serviceable at the end of last season. In fact, one could argue he was the best CB on our team. With Jimmy coming back healthy, Shareece Wright with a year in our system, having traded for Will Davis (who will also be healthy) and Tray Walker on board I really don't think we need to panic quite yet. Could we use a great young CB in the draft like a Ramsey, VH3, Alexander, etc.? Sure we could because there will never be enough good CBs on any team. Having said that however, conceding that Ozzie always picks BPA ( that has been Gospel here for years btw) and we are cool with it. My sense is if there is an exceptional pass rusher available at 6, this year we make an exception and go for that player! That is how critical that position is for the Ravens. Everything we do flows off of the pass rush and last year proved it! My instincts tell me we go pass rush at 6, unless of course the top rushers are gone and Ramsey is available.

I highly doubt that ozzy would take a pass rusher that is rated number 6 on his board if there is a safety CB or OT rated higher than said pass rusher. It would be a huge mistake. Especially if Ramsey is on the board. It just wouldn't go down like that. There will be pass rushers available in other rounds but the way it is shaping up, it doesn't look like there will be a pass rusher available that would be worthy of the pick. Unless you like deforest buckner, The guy has all the physical traits to be a good player but his production in the ducks defense has been minimal. He would play DE (where we already have lawrence guy, brent urban and possibly canty) in our system which isn't a primary pass rush position (OLBs bring the most significant pressure) And you would be fooling yourself to think that this guy could play OLB. I do agree we need another pass rusher but to call the situation critical is a bit over blown. We do have Suggs Zsmith and Dumervillhe. I don't have faith in any of those corners that you mentioned. Shareece was serviceable at best, hopefully davis can recover from his injury and Tray Walker worries me. He didn't get any playing time this year and had recently claimed waiver wire pick ups play in front of him. As I said the only true starting caliber CB that we have is Jimmy. All of the other guys are question marks. But the bottom line is this OZ DOES NOT AND WILL NOT GO INTO THE DRAFT INTENT ON PICKING A PASS RUSHER IN THR FIRST ROUND. That just not how it works. There are just so many unforeseeable scenarios that could happen on draft day. We will take the highest rated pass rusher, CB, safety or OT.  Im not saying we won't take a pass rusher at 6. But the only way that we would do that, is if there are no CBs, Safetys, or OTs rated higher than said pass rusher.  Oz isn't going to reach for any player including pass rushers.  I also think there will be some pretty good pass rushers available in rounds 2 and 3.

31 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think we were deepest in 08-09 when we had McGahee, McClain, and Rice! That was a scary backfield

yea man I liked that to . McClain really stepped up that year and converted from FB to the number one RB.  Rice was given minimal reps because he was a rook but he was a good change of pace back.  

33 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I don't trust that anyone who played last year will be better this year because A)They were injured two years ago and were still healing. Changing positions will suit them better. c) They were still adjusting to our system. Face it folks, without throwing anyone under the bus, our secondary was atrocious. When I see other corners one step off a receiver and our corners are routinely 5 steps off receivers, I know we have bigger problems than just making excuses. If we want to get better we need to get better players. Wishing on a star isn't my idea of building a playoff contender. Ramsey is a solid, lock down corner who is also big enough to move to safety IF one of these corners who were injured last year or two years ago does a turn around. Ramsey is becoming a hot commodity due to the fact that GMs are just starting to realize just how much of a game changer he can be. Ozzie needs to move up and secure him at pick 3 before San Diego picks because they surely will snatch him up. And after we move up and grab Ramsey, we need to then move back into the first and snatch Noah Spence if he falls due to off field issues. We need to be proactive this draft and not wait and see who falls to us. WE NEED PLAYMAKERS and rarely do they appear after round 3. Yes, there are a few who do, but you can find a lot more in the first 25 picks than in the last 25.

we only have so many picks. and quite frankly we do not enough picks to do both of the things you mentions. Everybody is on the Noah Spence train now because of the article written about him on this site. Before the article absolutely no one was talking about him. But when people read the article they have knee jerk reactions and tend to convince themselves that he will be a superstar (without doing any research themselves about the player). Im not. sure he is going to be able to live up to his expectations at the combine. And this is an ongoing thing, As soon as an article on this site highlights any of the draftable college players, everyone is instantly enamored with them. After that article some people have even suggested that we take him in the first at number 6 which is laughable.  And to be clear fusuymada  I am not accusing you of doing anything like this.  Im sure you have researched the guy.  But the knee jerk reaction is an ongoing problem on this site like.....  the trading or cutting monroe - firing dean pees - letting Flacco walk because he is to expensive and Mallet is good qb -  and the ozzy is a terrible GM because he let dickson, oher , stewart, daniels leave.   There are plenty more i just can't think of any

if bosa, tunsil, buckner and ramsey are gone by #6 than the fo will trade back hopefully not too far so we could grab noah spence whom i feel will be a star. the big question is if ronnie stanley is available than does the fo take him assuming we lose osemele or do they still trade back. i wish i could see their draft board.

AS of now we would have to trade way way back in order to justify taking spence. However his stock could rise after the combine.

I have begun to cool off on Treadwell as well just because good receivers will be available later. Also, I am of the same opinion regarding DBs. I think there is enough talent out there that we'll be able to get a good DB in the later rounds. I think we need to focus squarely on improving the pass rush in the first. In my opinion 2 players fit the #6 spot currently prior to the Combine and they're Bosa and Buckner. If both are gone, then we must find a trade partner to trade back and land one of Myles Jack, Noah Spence or Jaylen Smith and get an extra 2 and 3rd depending on how much we trade back.

I would also argue that CB as priority number one. The only starter we have as of now is Jimmy Smith. So it would behoove us to take one that will be able to contribute right away. And those types of CBs are not going to be there in later rounds. Impact pass rushers are easier to find in later rounds than impact corners. But just because CB is our priority doesn't mean we have to take one in the first. Our first round pick is not set in stone. The players that are taken 1-5 will dictate who we take.

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I have begun to cool off on Treadwell as well just because good receivers will be available later. Also, I am of the same opinion regarding DBs. I think there is enough talent out there that we'll be able to get a good DB in the later rounds. I think we need to focus squarely on improving the pass rush in the first. In my opinion 2 players fit the #6 spot currently prior to the Combine and they're Bosa and Buckner. If both are gone, then we must find a trade partner to trade back and land one of Myles Jack, Noah Spence or Jaylen Smith and get an extra 2 and 3rd depending on how much we trade back.

you really can't go into a draft intent on taking a certain position in a certain round. You really have to let the chips fall where they may and take the BPA. There isn't a GM in the league who assigns a position to each round. You get pigeon holed into taking someone that is not the BPA  if you are forced to pick a certain position. Lets say its our turn to draft and there is an OLB who is number 6 on our board. And lets assume a safety is also still on the board and he is number 4 on the board. It would be insane to take the OLB just because you have forced yourself in that position. I know its popular in the forum to assign a position for each one of our draft picks, but that is pretty ridiculous. As I said no GMs do that because it is too restrictive. And in many cases you would have to take a guy who is not the BPA. Luckily we have a lot of needs, In the first we could take a LT, OLB, Safety, or cornerback which are all positions of need.  

  12 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

Deepest RB class was definitely the 2008 Ravens when we ran heavy because Flacco was a rookie: Le'ron McClain, Willis McGahee, and Ray Rice. I loved that team. We were so physical on both sides of the football...We lost our physicality ever since the SB, and the retirement of Ray Lewis.

Our defense will not be good enough unless we address it heavily through the draft, FA, and underperforming players are willing to take pay cuts, which is unlikely. I think the Trestman offense is all about stats, and does little for the win column because we fail to control time of possession. I think we are somewhere around 8-8, but we get the easy NFC East which could propel us to 10-6, only to get bounced out of the playoffs quick.

I beg to differ I think the trio of Rice... McGahee... and Ricky Williams was a better trio... Just my opinion of course..

again we picked up Ricky Williams in 2011 because we let Mcgahee walk (he ended up in denver). Williams and Mcgahee never played together.

30 minutes ago, Smoke0121 said:

1 hour ago, TheKingFlip31 said:

IDK if I would say this is the deepest RB group we've ever had. I would give that to the 2000 Ravens of Jamal Lewis, Priest Holmes, Obafemi Ayabadejo, Sam Gash, and Chuck Evans....

Ray Rice, Willis McGahee, Ricky Williams was pretty good too...

that year (2011) we picked up ricky williams because we let mcgahee walk (he signed with denver). Williams and Mcgahee never played together.

  12 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Before everyone throws the next guy (Newton) under the bus, stop. Realize as he was being interviewed, within earshot he could overhear the Broncos players being interviewed declaring their superiority and also had very little time to lets things soak in regain composure. IF anything they could at least have moved the press stations further away for such a big game. I'm not condoning walking off, but be honest. If you had just lost a season long run at the prize then came up short had only a couple mins to begin to deal with the situation, how can you tell me you would just sit through an interview having to hear more thrash talk while under the scrutiny of the press dissecting your emotions and thoughts. That's just adding salt on a fresh wound. A better idea would have been to tell the reporters to he would continue the coverage from over there (some point out of earshot).

Just about everyone else who loses, seems to be able to handle it like a man. And by the way, I didn't hear much TRASH TALK from the Broncos. Hopefully Newton will grow up someday.

I seem to remember Bill Belichick refusing to do interviews after their loss to us in the 2012 AFC championship. And of course you couldn't here it, they weren't mic d up. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4694212-cam-newton-interview-walked-out-chris-harris-broncos-panthers-super-bowl

Newton not diving on that fumble, combined with the lackadaisical offense that had ZERO concern for the clock when they were down in the 2nd half made me question the credibility of the entire game. The Panthers offense looked gassed out at the end of the first half, and normally they get stronger as the game goes on. Maybe the pressure of Denver was just that overwhelming, but it almost looked like the two teams were drinking different Gatorades on the sideline...Conspiracy? Who knows...

But to break down Denver's Defense is is much more than two dominant edge rushers (Ware and Miller) They also have THREE 1st Round picks as their starting CB's (Roby, Talib, and Harris). They have interior lineman that are stout, yet also capable of generating a rush (Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, and Sylvester Williams). They have ILB's that were late draft picks (Marshall &Trevathan), but can absolutely fly sideline to sideline, because they are undersized compared to the history of the position. Their speed also gives them an advantage in coverage, and in blitzing situations. They invested heavily in their SS TJ Ward, and their FS (Darian Stewart) is a journeyman who played well for us last year. They also have some decent depth at certain positions, DE and OLB where they can keep guys rushing the passer fresh. Credit Elway the QB, for adjusting to today's Pass happy game and getting personnel that will terrorize opposing QB's and a coach with a history of bringing pressure (Wade Phillips).

On their Defense they had (6) former 1st Round Picks, and (2) 2nd Rounders.

Our defense is not built anything like this:
Former 1st Rounders: (3) Suggs, Mosley, J. Smith
Former 2nd Rounders: (3) Upshaw, Daryl Smith, Jerrnigan

We clearly haven't invested enough in our defense over the last 5 years, as we have emphasized adding to the offense. And our offense is still just mediocre. Elway has the modern recipe for what works on defense. Ozzie might be living in the 2000s still.

believe it or not Harris was a UFA. sure does play like a first rounder though.

A totally unimportant question about the Cam Newton fumble case: what would the refs say if, instead of jumping on the ball, Newton KICKED the ball out of the Denver player's hand as he's trying to grab it on the ground (as seen in the clip)? Would it yield a penalty?

you can't intentionally kick the ball. its a fifteen yard penalty

1 hour ago, rockhill24 said:

We do not to absolutely WASTE a number 1 draft pick on a defensive back, Get the best guy in the Draft Derrick Henry. he is an massive machine that helps our offensive in SO many ways. Free agents with experience is need in D-back fields not another rookie back there to get burned every game, Ozzy & john I hope you take note Derrick Henry, trade up to get him first round. he is worth it

There is no way that we would choose Henry at six. And move up if need be? You must be joking.  There is zero chance that he gets drafted with in the first six picks. It is even possible that he would be around for us in the second round. Running backs in the NFL are a dime a dozen and to take Henry early in the first is a crazy idea.  In my opinion (which is supported by many others who follow the draft) Henry isn't even the top running back in this class.

22 draft picks form over the past three years who are still with the team. If they all continue to take the next step and we get some people back healthy we seem to be building a very strong nucleus. G's : Urschel and Jensen - T: RWagner - TE's: Gilmore, Maxx and Boyle- WR's: Perrman, Camp and Waller- RB's: Talifero, Buck and Juice- DT's: Timmy and CDavis - DE's: ZSmith, BUrban and KLM- LB's : CJ, ABrown and ZOrr (UFA)- CB's: Tray Walker and S: Elam and Brooks! Who ever we add in this season (and drafting as high as we are) should mean that somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 players of our 53 man roster were home grown and that the youth movement is in full effect. 30 of 53 players will be under a rookie contract which should also bode well for us in a tight salary cap situation! I see the vision but a lot depends on some of these young guys being able to take the next step!

I wouldn't consider Zsmith a DE maybe if this was a 4-3 but he is way undersized for that position and didn't play there at all last season. I would hold of in calling Elam, Walker, and Brown contributors. KLM will be on the bubble.

i can see daryl smith and canty being released. webb will have to take a pay reduction being he is no longer a cb. pittas and monroes contracts are killers for us especially the dead money they would create. would like to see what arrington can do with leslie frazier coaching him but he may get the boot as well.

lol, leslie frazier is not a miracle worker. arrington simply doesn't have the talent to contribute to this team.