billiejean

No AJ GREEN? So were going to write off the entire draft?
Stefon Diggs 4th-5th rounder last year WR out of MD arguably 1 of the best WRs last year.
Just because theres no AJ Green diesnt mean WR is weak. Treadwell 6'4-6'5 210plus lb beast no.1 WR.. not a burner but Comparables to Jeffrey,BMarshall those types.
Corey Coleman, slippery, burner, but elusive, great route runner, hands maybe the next OBJ or Antonio Brown.
Will Fuller..Torrey Smith 2.0 straight line take the top off burner
Braxton Miller 6'5 225lb athlete turned WR, Speed, gets separation, downfield threat..

I can go on.. Ravens need WRs. So dont try to say its not a deep WR pool because I just named 4 players going in the first 2 rounds of 2016 draft that will impact next season barring injury.
Take atleast 1 of them

"Braxton Miller 6'5 225lb athlete turned WR"

easy there chief, Miller is 6'1 and 204 lbs

2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I would love to see us add James Laurnitis. JL and CJ working the middle would be fearsome!

the last things this defense needs is another slow and old linebacker

  On February 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM, billiejean said:

And you are on the Bosa hype train, which has been traveling much longer and faster than Buckners. That said Upshaw probably isn't a great comparison. Chris Long is probably a player that Bosa most resembles.

Go watch how they play on youtube. See who wins the battle at the line of scrimmage and see how they do it. You will understand why I favor Bosa over Buckner. 

This is the thing that we agree about my friend. I have watched the tape and as I stated before....
"I will say this again because a lot of what you are saying I agree with. I would pick Bosa over Buckner at this point if I had to choose."

he is due $28 million which of course is insane but if the fo chooses to let him play at that cap # than they better pray monroe stays healthy for the whole season and they find a suitable replacement for osemele or enjoy seeing flacco on his back several times a game, enjoy watching him throw off of his back foot for int's a few times a game and enjoy watching him get injured again.

Again we go over this every single time we are talking about Flacco's contract. He is not due 28 million. He is only getting paid 18 million this year.

3 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I almost hope they eat it this year because next year they will be in so much better a position to negotiate than this year it might be worth it. Even though they never would cut him the threat of cutting him this year would be laughed at by Linta who's only money ticket is Joe. Next year Linta would have to take the threat seriously due to the tremendous cap savings it would generate. Linta calling Ozzie dumb is a problem.

The likelihood of us cutting joe this year is exactly the same as it would be next year. it not going to happen no matter how much the team would save. Linta would never take that threat seriously. If for some outlandish reason we did cut Joe, he would be scooped up right away and Linta would be able to take the highest bidder.

  22 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Yup. Nailed it. Bosa is a bull rush style pass rusher, He's not got the many moves or quick twitch to juke guys out of their pants. Drafting Bosa would be like a replacement for Upshaw if things go that way. Buckner has moves but not really a bull rush. He is also much more raw and will require some time to get the best he has to offer. Bosa if you want a quick plug and play, or Buckner if you can afford a season of learning before letting things fly. Given the fact Ravens still have Suggs and Dummervil, Buckner makes more sense giving two solid mentors a chance to bring him up to speed. Also I personally think the Ravens coaches are great at developing talent.

Laughable comparison to Upshaw. Buckner can't hold Bosa's jock. It is funny to see how many people already bought the hype. 

And you are on the Bosa hype train, which has been traveling much longer and faster than Buckners. That said Upshaw probably isn't a great comparison. Chris Long is probably a player that Bosa most resembles.

2 hours ago, jravens13 said:

I understand that you think Bosa isn't as fast out the gate as some smaller rushers, but he is 6'6" 275. His style of play is more of a run stuffing, bull rushing/rip technique. He will need to add more moves to his game, but you can't deny how powerful he is, and how he gets after it. And I am telling you that I don't see the explosiveness from Buckner. Maybe he has straight line speed, but he really isn't that quick. He also just throws his shoulders into guys and plays very lazy. Bosa is a lock to be a great contributor in the NFL. Or you could roll the dice in the top 10 for a guy who might be no more than a rotational interior lineman. My hope is that all these "experts" help him Bosa fall to No. 6 cause he absolutely manhandled college talent. Buckner is honestly not Top 15 material. Watch Voch Lombardi on youtube: He breaks down both players very well, but also feels like Bosa isn't Von Miller material. Who is lol? 

I will say this again because a lot of what you are saying I agree with.  I would pick Bosa over Buckner at this point if I had to choose.  Im not sure if mentioning his size really supports your arguments because Buckner is 6'7 290 and is as fast if not faster than Bosa.  But what I really disagree with is this line....

"And i am telling you that I don't see the explosiveness from Buckner"  

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there.  It is readily apparent when watching tape of Buckner and Bosa.  And I am not saying that Buckner is the most explosive guy in the world.  He is just more explosive than Bosa.  And again if you don't take my word for it check out these scouting reports.

nfl.com - "Quick off the snap and difficult to cut­ off in run game. Long arms and good play speed allow him maximum field coverage to tackle"

walterfootball.com - "Flashes a quick first step"

nflmocks.com - "Buckner is surprisingly quick off the ball for his size. His first step quickness is quite alarming for a man that big, you’ll see him on almost every other play pounce off the ball quicker than his fellow defensive linemen.

todayspigskin.com - "A combination of quickness, strength, and length makes him a force along the defensive line. Quick out of his stance and attacks the offensive lineman placing both hands squarely inside his chest:"

fueledbysports.com - "Quick first step"

bigbluereview.com - "He plays with explosive movements and terrific body control for his size"

nfldraftreport - "but he has that quick burst off the snap and very strong hands needed to pull and jerk down offensive lineman"

breakingfootball.com - " Quick first step"

mockdraftshq.com -"Great first step for his size, better burst than Bosa"

Lets get Bosa. And for Holgti Ngata, Stay in Detroit, you were always a selfish player and I hope you are not in the ring of honer for the Ravens.

You have no idea what you are talking about. For years Haloti ate up double and triple teams to let Ray and the rest of the backers run free. He will most definitely be in the ring of "honer". I'm not sure where you came up with this notion that he is selfish but it is certainly unfounded.

6 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Bandon Williams is already a beast. Not much else he can do.. maybe get a couple more sacks but he eats up blocks and stops the run. Shoulda been pro bowler this year. Jernigan can get better, he had what 4 sacks? Hes a DT like Suh or Donald.. a pass rush type.. so if he can double his sack total up to 8-10 range for a DT thats pro bowl,all pro numbers.

Side Note... Rams just Cut Chris Long.30yrs old DE(Howie Longs son) 55 sacks.. there could be a option for Ozzie to consider Long has 4-5 good years left. Need pass rush.. possible F/A Option

 Long would be a terrible fit for our defense, there is no way you are converting him to an OLB.

34 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

1 hour ago, billiejean said:

Buckner is much more explosive than Bosa will ever be. Is Bosa out of your top 10 too?

Are we watching the players? They both played Michigan State this year. Watch their game film on youtube. Bosa was causing nightmares for the QB, and Michigan State never ran at him. Buckner was a non factor in the MSU game, and was getting pushed around. MSU is a great gauge of talent because they have an NFL caliber O-Line. 

Bosa doesn't not cheat technique, or his responsibility, and he is incredible powerful. His motor does not stop, and he beats Tackles and Guards on a regular basis off the edge and against the run. Bosa is much quicker and has more moves in his arsenal than Buckner. Buckner honestly does not get off of blocks and win at the line of scrimmage enough for me. I don't think Buckner has developed the ability to play with good leverage, and I do not think he is worthy a top 10 pick. Buckner played against subpar talent in a pass happy conference. Bosa played against some of the best linemen in the country and might have had the sack record if he played in the Pac 12. Bosa is Suggs 2.0

Yea Buckner doesn't get as much pressure because he is playing at 3-4 DE while Bosa plays 4-3 DE. When I say explosive I mean quick twitch muscles (suddenness). And yes Buckner is much more explosive than Bosa and if you don't take my word for it, I googled Joe Bosa scouting report, and these were the first seven scouting reports on Bosa.

CBS sports - "Not a quick-twitch rusher and doesn't play with consistent explosion"

musiccitymiracles.com - "Inconsistent explosion off of the line of scrimmage. Lacks some quickness, quick-twitch ability."

NFL.com - "Not as twitchy and sudden as expected. Feet are a little heavy and it takes just a second to accelerate up to speed"

Bleacherreport - "but on base sets as an edge defender, he's going to win with strength, breaking down the will of the right tackle or tight end slowly, not explosive speed"

todayspigskin - Bosa lacks the explosive first step that most of the dominant pass rushers seem to have"

nflmocks.com - "My immediate issue with Bosa is that he’s slow off the line. He knows it too because he over compensates it and gets called off sides multiple times a game."

nflbreakdowns.com - "Above average speed, but not the quick-twitch athlete you want to see from a top-tier prospect.
Due to lack of quick-twitch muscles, he doesn’t (and rarely attempted) covert speed-to-power."

Again I didn't cherry pick these. His lack of explosion really shows up on tape. This doesn't mean he's going to be a bad player, its just that Buckner is much more explosive. That being said Buckner is very raw and can't hold a candle to Bosa's hand placement and technique.  I'm not disagreeing with you over the fact that Bosa is the better prospect, I'm just pointing out that his explosion, suddenness, quick twitch does not match Buckners.

3 hours ago, jravens13 said:

We are not close to being a top defense. But a good corner, and another pass rusher would definitely help bridge the gap. I would love Bosa, but I don't think it will come true. I would rather take Veron Hargraves, who will be a great CB, over Jalen Ramsey who will play Safety in the NFL. Buckner comes with a huge risk, as Oregon players have a poor track record in the NFL. Although he has a huge frame, I do not think he is explosive enough to really contribute as a pass rusher in the NFL. He is also a 3-4 DE, which has much less of an impact on the defense compared to an OLB or CB. Jaylon Smith is worth waiting for the recovery IMO. He might be the best defensive player in this draft. 

Buckner is a lot more explosive than Bosa

46 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would disagree I think the Ravens are closer to a top defense than most give them credit. #2 passing defense the second half of the season without Suggs. That is very impressive. Add in they were top 10 against the run during that time as well. I just don't see Vernon Hargreaves worth a top 10 pick, he is good but a lot of cornerbacks flop in the NFL... Especially at 5'11. That reminds me of a Joe Haden or Lardarius Webb all over again. Buckner has a huge ceiling but he also is still raw and needs to learn a bit. I think Ramsey can play cornerback and safety, he may give up some yards as a rookie but I think he will create turnovers like Marcus Peters did last season. Gave up 900 yards and 7 touchdowns but a lot of turnovers to back it up that propelled him to the pro bowl as a rookie. Jaylon Smith or Myles Jack would be solid picks I actually think if Smith was healthy he would go top 3, he isn't as flashy or versatile as Jack but he makes plays. I also think a team like San Diego would pass on Bosa because DE is more of a priority and Buckner would fit better. I also think Jacksonville would rather go with Ramsey due to they drafted Fowler last year that has yet to touch the field so it will be like having two rookies for them this year. The Cowboys, Browns, and Titans are the teams I would be worried about. Titans I do believe pick Tunsil.. I would he is the best player in the draft in my opinion.... The Browns hopefully have not learned from their mistake of drafting a ton of quarterbacks and expecting a complete turn around. They need to start drafting best player available... But if they do draft a quarterback that helps. Cowboys I would guess take Jack because of #1 his explosiveness and versatility that they need on their defense and #2 then he can be used in a situational running back role which they proved they also could need help there next season. 

It is doubtful that Jack will be playing any running back. The risk on injury is to great.

something about bosa scares me but if we draft him i hope i am wrong and he has a beast of a career with us

i concur. His lack of explosion and stiff hips worry me. Especially if he is playing at OLB

43 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think that we must add one vet receiver and a young one in the draft on offense and use the rest of the draft to find gems on the defensive side of the ball. There are a lot of disruptive lineman in this draft so I hope we get a pass rusher or corner in the early rounds then in the next rounds load up on BPA on defense and if Pees can't make something happen then it is undeniably on him and we need to move on. He is not terrible, but inconsistent and has dealt with a lot of injuries.

it really isn't prudent for the FO to go into the draft with a game plan to sign 1 offensive guys and the rest on defense. Although I see posts like this a lot on this forum (some people will even go as far as assigning a specific position to each round).  it is just not how the FO works.  

29 minutes ago, rockhill24 said:

Joe should re do his contract, he got enough money, make more if we make playoffs, next Derrick Henry should be our first draft choice, adds a great deal on offence, lastly noticed that most if not all free agents that leave Ravens are mostly a bust anywhere else. Smith, especial, he could catch a cold the last year he was here. Finally Chad Johnson just fade away & die, you & Owens are just plain moron losers in life

derrick henry isn't even the best rb in this draft class.  I would only take him in the second round.  

Well....let's hope Joe restructures, and somehow Ozzie finds the money to keep KO (since Tucker will most likely get tagged). I know it is a stretch but KO is that LT the Ravens have been looking for. If they don't spend a draft pick early for a LT starter, and lose KO, then it's back to hoping Monroe can play for more than a couple games before going down again. GO RAVENS!

KO is an average left tackle. I have watched a lot of his tape and his kick slide is very stiff. His movements are almost mechanical in a way, He is just not as agile as other left tackles in the league. He has a difficult time sticking with players who cross his face. That being said he is a serviceable left tackle. But he is an above average guard which is really his natural position.

  1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I don't think Myles Jack is a future Terrell Suggs. He is versatile for sure, but Suggs was a dominant force for much of his career. Different body types, different styles and Jack is quick as a rabbit and the only reason we got Suggs was because he was slow at the combine! Suggs set collegiate records for sacks and Myles didn't. The only reason why this comparison was made was because both Myles and Suggs played RB sometime in their evolution!

Didn't Suggs finish a 20 sack season before being drafted? I pray to God Bosa is slower than expected haha and SD, DAL, or JAX thinks they're outsmarting other teams and take Buckner, whom I would still be happy with too.

bosa is going to run a slow time alright. he is projected to run in the 4.8 range. what worries me about him is that he isn't very explosive unlike suggs.

4 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

So many of these guys picked that tackle Stanley and only one person picked Treadwell.I'm glad early predictions for the top 5/6 are almost always inaccurate.

the only way we pick Treadwell is if we trade back. He isn't worth the sixth pick Some think that he isn't even the top receiver in the class.

All these concerns about Treadwell are misleading in my opinion. You know who else ain't got game breaking speed? Guys like DeAndre Hopkins or Anquan Boldin... If you can play you will make plays no matter what and I think Treadwell would complement the Ravens very well, since we don't need him to be a speed WR.

the players you mentioned were drafted 27th and 54th respectively. i think treadwell is a first round talent, just not at pick six.

31 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

34 minutes ago, Purple Hazard said:

All these concerns about Treadwell are misleading in my opinion. You know who else ain't got game breaking speed? Guys like DeAndre Hopkins or Anquan Boldin... If you can play you will make plays no matter what and I think Treadwell would complement the Ravens very well, since we don't need him to be a speed WR.

Agreed!! Our own SSS doesn't have game breaking speed, but he seems to get open a lot. 

Running great routes will get you open more than just having game breaking speed. 

well thats the thing, his route running isn't very polished or crisp. And without speed and good route running he isn't worthy of the sixth pick.

  4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Hate to break it to you, but considering market value, Joe is worth that 20 mill a year.  It would also be nice if the FO didn't set him up for fail and give him some legit weapons.  They gave him the big contract then traded away his best weapon.  They let Torrey walk without already having a replacement, huge mistake.  Joe also cant play defense....2 blown 14 point leads in NE, come on. 

That doesn't seem smart at all.  Ill give you Pitta for sure, as im sure everyone else would.  But if we cut Monroe and KO walks, that destroys basically our entire left side of the line.  If we cut Webb who takes his place? Elam?  Webb was getting the secondary in check when he moved to safety and I think that improves our secondary overall, especially with Jimmy being healthy.  You have to be able to get a decent replacement for the savings or have someone on roster that can replace them now.   I also am prolly in the minority but I don't think our RBs are anything special.  The savings to me isn't worth getting rid of Forsett.   You are suggesting 23million in dead money, meanwhile Bilukidi counts for a whopping 40grand. 

I edited my post for clarification.

However, there are options out there who can do just as good of a job for much, much less. At LT, for example, you have Beatty, Bushrod, Beachum, and possibly Clady, all of whom are just as injury-prone as Monroe, but who could be signed for much less, likely 1-year prove-it deals. 

I think we could cut and re-sign Webb as we did with Canty last year. 

Bilukidi did very little last year, playing in only 4 games, so I don't see why anyone would defend keeping him.

Daryl Smith is getting old/slow. This is a young man's game. There are younger LBs like Orr who could step up and replace him. 

And I am not necessarily suggesting we cut Forsett because our other RBs are spectacular (Forsett is a good RB, and West seems average while Tali is injury-prone). What I am suggesting is that, if the coaching staff thinks our 3 RBs on rookie contracts is good enough, then they should keep the 3 rookie-deal RBs, whose combined cap hit is less than Forsett's, and cut Forsett. I don't think this should happen actually, but it could. 

what you are not understanding is that cutting someone doesn't automatically clear the team of dead money. You are not being realistic at all. The tackles you have mentioned will assuredly earn a contract greater than 1 mil a year.

Urschel played a lot during our SB winning season a Guard, before Zuttah got hurt he both right and Left Guard......He was ahead of Jensen on the depth chart as a Guard...

I wouldn't put to much stock into the depth chart. It was clear to everyone that jensen did very well at guard. Urshle gets beat a lot and doesn't have the tenacity that Jensen has.

pretty simple in my mind, if KO goes, Monroe is our LT, and then Urschel is our new LT, with Zuttah at Center, Yanda, and Wagner....Then we draft a LT later on, or sign a UDFA....Plus the Tackles from last year who will be invited to camp....

jennsen performed much better at LG than Urschel did

Joey Bosa will have his stock go down after the combine.

i have to agree with you on this. his times are going to be slow and his lack of hip flexibility is going to hurt him

There is actually a legit chance that the secondary could be a strength for us next year. We may draft a CB early, Jimmy Smith and Will Davis may be back at full strength, and if Wright can continue playing the way he did at the end of last season, we'll have solid starting corners and decent depth. I think Webb is going to be a good safety, but the other safety position is still a big question mark.

will hill is a top ten safety in the league. the question mark is webb and if he can make a smooth transition to safety.