billiejean

i wonder what the magic # is for the front office as far as osemele is concerned. trent williams avg. per year is 13 mil, tyron smith 12mil. joe thomas 11.5 mil, 4 players in the 10 mil range. if osemele and his agent want more than 13 mil than i hope they stick with monroe and draft stanley at #6

I wouldn't pay him more than 10mil. He should't be getting as much as the Left Tackles that you have named. They are the proven, elite left tackles in the league. A guy that has only played 4 games at the position shouldn't expect to make as much as them.

IF jaylon smith is there in the second I would take him. I know thats a big if, but it would certainly be worth it.

Nkemdiche way to throw your teammate under the bus

spriggs could be solid 3rd or 4th rd pick for us. jack conklin or taylor decker as well if they fall to the 3rd

Conklin and Decker have first round grades. There is no way they make it to the third. Spriggs has a second round grade and with his impressive numbers at the combine its not likely he will be there in the third either.

Justin is worth putting tag on, hope they re do some contracts & help their cap. but its sad football has salary cap , baseball does not, MLBPA strongest union the world.

The salary cap is what makes football so competitive. Every team has the chance to spend the same amount of money. In baseball the teams that have bigger fan bases are more likely to win because they can spend whatever they want. In football anybody can win it. A team that is ranked last in one year can make the playoffs the next. This is why football is great. Its tough to be a small market team and be competitive in baseball. Especially in the AL east where the Yankees and Red Sox have absurd amounts of money to throw at players.

18 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

19 hours ago, billiejean said:

  1 hour ago, Space11jams said:

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

I feel like signing Osemele to big left tackle money is a huge gamble. Yea, he played there for four games last season but his play was average at best. The guys kick slides are stiff and look far from natural. He was also was susceptible to the inside move because he let defenders cross his face. It is possible with more time at the position that he will get better at these things, but it is big risk. I am just hoping he can live up to the contract (if he signs) and we don't have any buyers remorse like we do with Webb, Smith, and Monroe.

Which Smith are your talking about?

the only one who hasn't lived up to his contract so far... Jimmy

Pardon me? Jimmy is steadily developing into one of the best corners in the league...

hey, I hope you're right and he does become one of the best corners. It is just that last year he regressed which isn't a good thing. Surely he was hampered by an injury but he regressed none the less. His injury history is also pretty concerning. Hopefully he has an injury free offseason and comes back better than ever.

41 minutes ago, budman said:

1 hour ago, billiejean said:

I feel like signing Osemele to big left tackle money is a huge gamble. Yea, he played there for four games last season but his play was average at best. The guys kick slides are stiff and look far from natural. He was also was susceptible to the inside move because he let defenders cross his face. It is possible with more time at the position that he will get better at these things, but it is big risk. I am just hoping he can live up to the contract (if he signs) and we don't have any buyers remorse like we do with Webb, Smith, and Monroe.

He did only play 4 games at Lt but he did play there in college. It was expected for him  to play "just average". Just imagine how he will be with all mini and training camp and practices. He will be a beast there as he was at guard IMO. Either way I just don't see keeping him a gamble.

Well nobody thought that signing Webb was a gamble either. Really anytime you sign a player to a long term deal with a lot of guaranteed money, it is a gamble. But it is especially so if a guy you're giving left tackle money to has only played four games at left tackle in his entire career. And yes he did play there in college but the speed of the game is much higher in the NFL especially at the pass rusher position. Im not saying the guy can't do it. Its just that it is a bit of a risk. What he does have going for him though that has nothing to do with his physicality is that he is extremely intelligent, not Urchel intelligent, but smart enough to know what he's got to do to be successful.

1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

  32 minutes ago, billiejean said:

I feel like signing Osemele to big left tackle money is a huge gamble. Yea, he played there for four games last season but his play was average at best. The guys kick slides are stiff and look far from natural. He was also was susceptible to the inside move because he let defenders cross his face. It is possible with more time at the position that he will get better at these things, but it is big risk. I am just hoping he can live up to the contract (if he signs) and we don't have any buyers remorse like we do with Webb, Smith, and Monroe.

Keep in mind that KO played LT vs four VERY good defenses, (Seahawks, Chiefs, Steelers, and Bengals).  For someone who trained the entire off-season and practiced during the season as a guard, he did a heck of a job.  I think an entire off-season dedicating towards playing LT will do wonders for KO.

KO played tackle at Iowa as well so its not like it is a completely unfamiliar position so the strategy and techniques to play the position are not lost on him. If you go back and look at the tape, not only did he play well, he dominated and did so quite easily. He rarely struggled with some of the strongest pass rushers in the NFL. Clearly, the Ravens staff, who is trained to see exactly what I saw, made a choice based on that analysis and they know far more than me or 99% of the people who comment here. If Ozzie thinks he can do it based on his history and what he saw in those 4 games, then I think he can do it. In OZZIE I trust.

Easily is quite a stretch, but he did dominate at times, especially in the run game.

The vine in the article below is an example of KO letting James Harrison cross his face on an inside move.  He almost gave up the sack.  Im not saying that this is what happens every time someone crosses his face, but I did see it on multiple occasions (certainly something that can be fixed though)

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-1228-Snoop-Dogg--Internet-React-To-Ravens-Shocking-Upset-Over-Steelers/35ce4a92-8753-49ad-906e-39b51720f3b2

The second gif in the article below shows his somewhat mechanical, stiff movements in the kick slide.  In his defense he blocked his guy.  It just didn't look as smooth (almost forced) as most left tackles in the league.  To be fair, i just realized that this clip is from the first game that he played at left tackle.  I did take a look at some tape from the Cincy game and he really did improve this aspect of his game (still a bit stiff but its not as if he couldn't get the job done).  Im sure the guy will be working on his footwork all offseason and will come back much improved.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/What-You-Missed-vs-Seahawks/3eb1346a-4b4e-499a-bd68-a10804e808ef

  25 minutes ago, billiejean said:

I feel like signing Osemele to big left tackle money is a huge gamble. Yea, he played there for four games last season but his play was average at best. The guys kick slides are stiff and look far from natural. He was also was susceptible to the inside move because he let defenders cross his face. It is possible with more time at the position that he will get better at these things, but it is big risk. I am just hoping he can live up to the contract (if he signs) and we don't have any buyers remorse like we do with Webb, Smith, and Monroe.

Which Smith are your talking about?

the only one who hasn't lived up to his contract so far... Jimmy

I feel like signing Osemele to big left tackle money is a huge gamble. Yea, he played there for four games last season but his play was average at best. The guys kick slides are stiff and look far from natural. He was also was susceptible to the inside move because he let defenders cross his face. It is possible with more time at the position that he will get better at these things, but it is big risk. I am just hoping he can live up to the contract (if he signs) and we don't have any buyers remorse like we do with Webb, Smith, and Monroe.

@billiejean the possible of hurting us of signing him is wasting a roster spot if he makes the team maybe.

well if by some miracle he makes the team, than he was better than one of the running backs that we have. Still doesn't hurt us.

  3 hours ago, ALI624 said:

KO Jensen Urschel Yanda Wagner that is a fearsome OL.

Not quite!
Jensen and Wagner are not locks!

Wagner is a lock, who else do we have that plays right tackle at the moment?

To all of those who are against this, I would like to know how this could possibly hurt us? its not like he is getting huge guaranteed money. At worst he brings competition at the running back position and gets cut in training camp. No harm no foul. Or is there something I'm missing here?

Let's just hope K.O agrees to the deal as long as its fair and equitable. Knowing the way Ravens conduct business, they're not going to low ball him or any other player. So, I think the smart move on K.O's part is to take it right away and not shop for better offers, because that could hurt him in the long run. Either way, we're going to be fine as a team as long as Monroe is motivated to suit up and play even if he is dealing with some really trivial and minor injuries.

Its in his best interest to shop around and take the best offer. Im not sure why you think that could hurt him in any way.

KO Jensen Urschel Yanda Wagner that is a fearsome OL.

We still have Zuttah you know, who is an upgrade from Urschel. Urschel's versatility as a back up though, should suit us well.

  14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  17 minutes ago, Heubs said:

Bringing in Richardson!!?!??!!??!? HORRIBLE, AWFUL, and DISAPPOINTING. If you looking for a bargain why not look at someone like Matt Forte, Doug Martin, or even Chris Ivy. I also agree with giving Ray Rice another chance.

You're kidding me right? Which one of those guys is supposed to be a "bargain"? Martin is seeking in excess of $7M PER YEAR, Ivory is seeking probably $4-5M a year, and Forte is an aging RB who could cost easily that much.

There's no guarantee Richardson even makes the team (in fact its likely he won't), and he costs like 1/10 of what these other guys cost.

None of the players you listed can even vaguely be considered "bargains" based on price tag alone.

I can agree with those projections for the most part. I just think we can get a Richardson in the draft for 1/4 of the cost. Personally I think we carry too many backs.

Yea we have a lot of backs on the team right now, but obviously that number will be down to around 4 (including fullback) when the season begins. And four is a perfectly reasonable amount of backs to keep.

It is a shame that TE has now become a position of such concern. No Boyle, Gilmore an injury concern and Maxx still finding his form.

Im hoping Maxx can make a big leap in his sophomore season. He is athletic and has great hands, but what I first noticed about the guy is that he didn't have an NFL body (the same can be said for Carl Davis). Im sure he is hitting the weight room (Hopefully he is doing whatever Crockett did. I can't be sure but, I think Crockett gained 10 to 15 pounds between his rookie and soph season). It will make his cuts more precise and he will become a bit more explosive. A little work on his routes and he really could be a huge contributor next season. I was really impressed last season with his hands (he really made some spectacular catches last season.

2 hours ago, Crusader said:

4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

  6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. No reasonable person thinks Daryl Smith is a top 10 LB in the league right now. That's, quite frankly, insane.

2. He was already losing 3rd down snaps last season in the 2nd half, primarily due to the fact that he's largely terrible in coverage these days and isn't fast enough to cover TEs.

Given that he has a reasonably high cap number for a MLB ($4.4M) that is certainly declining on the field, it definitely makes sense for the team to at least consider moving on. Doesn't mean they will, but its certainly reasonable to consider it.

In all fairness, CJ Mosely was just as bad in pass coverage and he's almost 10 years younger than Darryl Smith. 

and I can't see how CJ can fix that. Either your fast or your not.

Pass coverage as a middle linebacker in particular isn't all about speed (not that it doesn't help). Its about reading and anticipating routes. In Daryl Smiths first year with us he really showed a knack for jumping routes (3 ints, 18 passes defensed, absolutely ridiculous stats for a LB) and I can guarantee he was not any faster than Mosley is now. On intermediate crosses and digs, middle linebackers don't really have to move all that much to be in position to make an interception. Now if the tight end runs a seam route, or the running back runs a wheel route, and the middle linebacker is the only guy in coverage, yea you need speed for that. But the good middle linebackers are good not because they are the quickest guys, they are good because of their instincts.

20 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

So Garrett, who are the ones most adept at closing? What does Hortiz think of the names you listed? That’s kind of important don’t you think? We all know these names and their college production, but what we don’t know is what Hortiz and our front office thinks of each one of them…

Hortiz isn't going to tip his hand. If he does say anything about a prospect it will a be run of the mill type answer (more generalization than specifics).

  18 hours ago, eek said:

  19 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

FO can take part of the blame on this one. It went from out a couple weeks, to a couple months until Thanksgiving IR and out the rest of the season. We needed him because we had to no speed threat on the outside. Whiffing on draft choices the last few years - Matt Elam especially didn't help matters. People tend to think your #1 pick is ready to play and contribute right away. Maybe for other teams but certainly not the Ravens other than CJ Mosley in recent years.
Just saying......

when you're picking in the back of the 1st round all the time. your picks tend to be 50/50.. On your case about Matt Elam, the whole 2013 draft class was pretty bad and we took him with the 32nd pick, not the 6th or 18th. the only people we missed in that class was Darius Slay or Le'Von bell.. but at that point in time. we had emerging Jimmy Smith with a healthy Webb and had Ray Rice carrying the rock. no one can predict future. but your post tends to lead that way. Since Harbaugh and Oz has been paired our 1st round picks have been 08 Flacco, 09 Oher, 11 jimmy smith, 13 Elam, 14 Mosley, 15 Perriman. Let see 4 of those guys are starting (1 for another team). One missed his rookie year and one didn't do a good job. But yeah we have been missing a lot in the first round according to you.

Take a look at the 2012 Draft which we traded out of the 1st round. We picked Sergio Kindle, Terrence Cody, David Reed, Jah Reid, Tandon Doss,Chykie Brown,Anthony Allen. How many of those are on the team? 2013 Draft- Matt Elam, Arthur Brown, Gino Gradkowsk, Christian Thompson, Asa Jackson,Tommy Streeter, John Simon, Aaron Malette, Marc Anthony where are they now? The best player from the 2013 Draft has been Brandon Williams our 3rd round pick.
My point was we can't keeping whiffing on our picks. Period. 2015 Draft was pretty good except for Perriman which remains to be seen. I thought we built our team from the draft? Could be wrong?

2010 nfl draft was when we drafted kindle, cody etc.
You totally ignored the 2011 and 2012 draft classes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Ravens_draft_history

Don't know if I'm the only one to think this but I would love to see the ravens pick up Antonio Cromartie in free agency and then make a move to grab Bosa. Would really solidify the defense all the way around.

Cromartie is way way way past his prime. The last thing this team needs is another slow, old, and unreliable corner.

9 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Billiejean, I dont know about you but I did go to college and my Prof. Allowed WIKI as a reliable source of thec3 to 5 required and it has never failed.
Its just as reliable as Yahoo or anything else especially after Wikileaks.
Enough said

If it is so reliable than why is their info about Braxton Miller wrong. Wiki is never a reliable source because anybody can write anything on it. Your professor or the school you went to must have had extremely low standards. Wikileaks by the way had nothing to do with Wikipedia and because you trust the site so much you won't have to take my word for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLeaks_is_not_part_of_Wikipedia

 

this is a deep draft for pass rushers so ozzie can wait and get a pass rusher later in the draft if he wants. The yards our defense gave up, the lack of skilled WRs we had this season is still a problem. If treadwell is there we should get him. we need to be able to put up points and there comparing this kid to julio jones. Him and perriman together with flaccos arm? were back on top

I don't know who is comparing him to Julio but they are being extremely generous. I wouldn't take him until pick 12 or 15. Another article posted today sort of gives an overview of the situation

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/No-AJ-Green-Type-Receiver-In-This-Years-Draft-Class/4c30407b-4703-4243-993f-bfc74bde12cf

27 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Billiejean, Braxton Miller wiki..220lbs. Enough said

Because wiki (they also say he is 6'2) is always a reliable source of information..... hahahahaha
You are probably not of college age but if you were you would know never to quote wikipedia. That is the number one nono of all professors. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824414/braxton-miller

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119334&draftyear=2016&genpos=WR

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/braxton-miller?id=2555348

http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/2016/01/21/2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-ohio-state-wr-braxton-miller/

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016bmiller.php?tih

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/01/2016_senior_bowl_weigh-in_results_and_instant_anal.html

He was just measured at the Senior Bowl and is 6'1" 204 and as you so cleverly put it.... enough said lol

  4 hours ago, samilbourne said:

OK - the front office deserves some of the blame for this. They should have checked him out in a more through manner than they did prior to drafting him, and, then, they could have been more forthcoming as to the extent of the injury. However, this man has been paid a great deal of money for performance, and no performance has been registered as of yet. I've not seen anything that indicates that he is working diligently to get back on the field this coming season. Until we see that - or the evidence of such - he will be subject to this criticism, and it will be justified. When he signed the big contract, judgment of your performance - justified or not - is part of the deal. He needs to "suck it up", show the fans he is working hard to get healthy, and then deliver excellent performance on the field. Then the criticism will stop. Until then, the "forgotten man" label will be sticking to him like glue and no attempt by the PR department to remove it will work. Start showing up at the Castle to work out and train, Breshad. Show us you're working to get back. That might help. Hiding out isn't helping at all.

I agree 100%. Additionally I think Perriman should tweet what meals he's eating throughout the course of each day so that we know he's eating a sensible diet. Maybe even a good night tweet is in order. The last thing we want is him not getting a good night sleep which would obviously place him at less than 100% while working out. Hell, he should hire an assistant to follow him with a drone and shoot it out on Periscope so we can simply track his every move.

this is great