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      3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

    "At least two of the following will be on the board when the Ravens are on the clock":
    Ole Miss left tackle Laremy Tunsil
    Florida State defensive back Jalen Ramsey
    Ohio State pass rusher Joey Bosa
    UCLA middle linebacker Myles Jack
    Oregon defensive end DeForest Buckner

    - Not if the Browns get cute and take Ramsey or Jack, but in all reality if Goff goes first then, it would be hard for Hue to pass up a talented prospect like Wentz. If the scenario does happen, we pick the player whose name isn't Deforest Buckner haha

    Do the math. Since the Rams are taking a QB at #1, These five are on the board and one of them has to be available. And all five can really help the Ravens and have big time starter potential (pro-bowl material). You don't seem high on Buckner, but I think he can be a better Chris Canty DE and maybe become Michael McCreary like. They don't have to be HoF material , but they need to be starters and contributors from the get go. I like the d-line rotation of Williams, Jernigan, Guy, Urban, Kapran-Moore and Buckner. That has to be very imposing to our opponents. I will gladly take any of these players at the sixth pick and know the Ravens have improved. The key will be rounds 2-4. out of those 6 choices they need to get 3-4 starters at minimum.

    Buckner and Mike Mccrary play two totally different positions. They are both DE but one is DE in the 4-3 (Mccrary 6'4 260) and one is a DE in the 3-4 (Buckner 6'7 291)

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    40 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

    I think you might have undermined your reasoning referencing that Weddle/Whitner would be the oldest safety tandem in the league...Webb's birthday is October 12, 1985.

    That was hardly the argument that I am making (there probibly is a safety tandom that is older) that was just a bit hyperbole but was really not the point.  The argument is that Webb is the closest thing we have to FS.  Im sure Weddle could play FS too but at this point in his career he is more suited at SS.  Every other safety that we have is a SS (beside maybe Brooks).  Whitner would just be adding another one to the mix. He would be redundant.

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    Yes... we should grab Donte Whitner if we can. Whitner and Weddle beside each other would assuredly put an end to out S problems. Whitner is solid... with a great attitude and would fit our defense well. That would also free us up to utilize Webb in the slot... and to add depth to both our CB and S positions! I really cannot think of a reason we shouldn't sign Whitner right now!

    Well one reason is that he's 30 years old. He is slow and is a huge liability in coverage. Paring him with Weddle would probably make them the oldest safety tandom in the league. At this point in their careers they are both best suited to play SS. And you don't want two SS on the back end. There is a reason no one has picked the guy up.

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  4. Posted · Edited by billiejean · Report post

    34 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

    My pick would be Jack, with Z.Smith, and Brenner we have some kind of options at outside pass rusher, but at ILBer we have C.J, ....no one special to step in next to C.J, and Jack's covering ability is huge....jmo....

    I think you meant Brennen Beyer? Maybe? Predicting that a guy who has only played on the practice squad will be a contributor is going a bit overboard. I doubt he makes the team. But even if he did it would be as a special teams guy. He is really slow and pass rushing is really not his thing. 

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      40 minutes ago, The Greek said:

    rams learned nothing from the redskins by trading so many picks for 1 player. not a smart move

    I somewhat agree but you have admire that they've identified a guy they like and they are making a move for him. They pretty much have everything but a quality QB so good on them for taking a stab. They're essentially just giving back what the Redskins gave them for RGIII.

    This move is even riskier than the Skins moving up to take RG3. If there was a sure thing in this draft (A Luck, P Manning) then yea this would be a good move. But there just isn't that guy in this draft. Going all in on guy from the FCS is anything but a sure bet.

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    Ok, so I don't follow college football so could the board please enlighten me as to who is actually deserving of our #6? All the I keep hearing about Bosa is that he has a high motor. Does he also possess run stuffing and coverage skills like Suggs or he he a one trick pony? Can he play 3 downs? I also hear that Buckner is a faster version of Ngata. Is he really that much of a force? A one man wrecking crew? Tunsil seems to be a lock as a starter. Is he ready? Sounds like Jack has not played that much and missed last season. Is he more potential than substance? Ramsey is all people talk about but I've read that Hargraves is a better CB if we want to go that direction. Hargraves apparently couldn't handle elite receivers. That's mostly what the NFL has so is this an issue?

    the comparison between Buckner and Ngata is a stretch. Totally different body types. Haloti (6'4" 338) is more of your NT, DT and Buckner (6'7" 291) fits the mold of a 5 technique.

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  7. Posted · Edited by billiejean · Report post

    1 hour ago, Abz said:

    Webb's 6 million in dead money is a sunk cost nothing is gonna change it and so it shouldn't be taken into consideration when making a decision. Currently, with his contract there is a cap hit of 9.5 mil which means cutting him and signing Whitner for 3 mil would save the team 500k in cap space and we get a proven player along side Weddle. Yes we have a lot of safeties but not a lot of proven quality except for Weddle. Webb transitioning to safety is a project that might work or might not... I'd rather go with the proven veteran in Whitner and save 500K in cap space...

    Whitner at this point in his career is as slow as a middle linebacker. There is a reason teams haven't signed him. You do realize that you can't just put two SS back there and expect them to be good in coverage.

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    Does Webb have blackmail material of someone's wife or something? Not only are we not cutting Webb to free up cap space, and we aren't cutting him to make room for Donte Whitner, we are actually saying we are choosing Webb as a safety over Whitner? Has Ozzie bumped his head? (could explain recent drafts) Is this a Harbaugh thing (if I don't like you then you are gone, if I do, then you don't even have to be a good player). What is this great allegiance to Webb when we ditch Ngata, ditch McPhee, ditch Torrey Smith, all over huge salaries and Webb is overpaid for a good player much less one who is no longer able to play his original position and is unproven at safety. I think Harbaugh is a good coach, but since he has come here, our personnel decisions become very curious to be kind. I understand that Ozzie accepts other's opinions, I have to wonder if for some reason, John has veto over decisions. I know that sounds crazy, but there are personnel moves that are made that leaves everyone scratching their heads. If they were good decisions there would be no discussion, but the fact they are discussed over and over and over indicates they are questionable (Boldin, Smith, Ngata, Pollard, Ihedigbo, etc...).

    why would you replace Webb with Whitner? That does't make any sense. Whitner is a SS who really at this point in his career is about as agile and athletic as a Linebacker. Webb is our only true FS. There is nothing questionable about moving on from Ngata, Pollard, Ihedigbo, or Smith. Pollard and Ihedigbo were terrible in coverage. Ngata didn't want to renegotiate his contract so we got what we could for him. Smith???? Would you pay Smith the money San Fran is. I mean come on he isn't worth that big of a contract and how did he do last year? Boldin might be the only questionable cut on your list. Im thankful that we have a FO that can objectively determine a guys worth. Your getting to sentimental. All of the guys you mentioned were way past their prime or in Ihedigbo case just an average run of the mill player.

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  9. Posted · Edited by billiejean · Report post

    42 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:
    46 minutes ago, Ravensfansince03 said:
      1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

    I would consider using some cap space on a vet ILBer...very concerned with the state our ILBer corp is in, of course if we draft Jack i will be happy...

    I was thinking the same. Seems like people have forgotten we have parted ways with D. Smith and COURTNEY UPSHAW. Even though D.Smith was ok at best, I still dont see anyone on our roster that can replace them. If anyone on here says we have somebody currently who can fill the shoes or be a better replacement than D.Smith is lying and should be banned from NFL talk. Go talk about soccer or tennis.

    I just never understood why Upshaw never got reps playing ILBer, he no doubt has the size, and as a ILBer he would have been a tackling machine....I would at least tried him at ILBer, and moved AB outside since speed is his game,....

    They never did that because it is a terrible idea. Upshaw has really poor lateral agility and if he moved to ILB he wouldn't be able to scrape over the top to clean up plays that aren't running directly at him. He would also be a huge liability in pass coverage. Art Brown would make a great 4-3 OLB.  As a 3-4 OLB he really doesn't have the length needed to go up against the long armed tackles in this league.

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      20 hours ago, cbrook1862 said:

    Shaq Lawson has been described as an edge setter due to avg pass rush ability and his nfl comp on nfl.com is Courtney Upshaw... sorry, but helllll noooooooo! Upshaw was a solid player but we don't need another him we need an upgrade, someone who with more pass rush ability. So I said all that to say if we trade down I hope he's not our option.

     

      18 hours ago, mearzunkies said:

    I agree her is a edge setting DE/OLB

    I've seen that on NFL.com, but there comps are hilarious  on many occasions.  Shaq Lawson has many more moves than Courtney Upshaw ever had.  He's going to have a high upside at the next level.  I'd be fine with him if we traded back a couple spots. 

     

    All you need to do is watch his tape and you know he's much more than Upshaw.

    well if you would have watched Upshaws Alabama tape you would also come to the conclusion that he would be a great pass rusher. He has 16.5 sacks and 32.5 tackles for a loss in his last two years there. The comparison is being made because their athletic ability is at the same level.

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    I don't think the Ravens should select Bosa at #6 because he simply doesn't fit our scheme. I don't believe in forcing a guy to play outside of what he's comfortable with and has shown he can actually do in college. You can't take a chance on a guy like this that you are not sure 100% can drop in coverage with a 1st round pick this high in the draft.

    They tried this a few years ago with Paul Kruger who supposedly "could" drop back into coverage. At the combine they are both of similar build, Bosa is about an inch taller and about 5lbs. heavier. They both benched the same and if you look at their pro day results they ran nearly identical 40 times. Bosa scores better in the shuttle and cone drills but his draft analysis states he's a bit slow footed in change of direction; which is exactly the thing you need in pass coverage. Kruger might have been able to cover in college, but he was a liability in the NFL. Kruger didn't start to make an impact until he added a bit more weight and switched to a DE.

    If we ran a 4-3 I might be higher on him.

    Im not disagreeing with you but to Bosa's credit he much more athletic than Paul. Paul was one of the least athletic guys that I have ever seen playing in the NFL.. Awkward movements slow feet and limited pass rushing moves. To his credit though he does have one heck of a motor on him.

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  15. Posted · Edited by billiejean · Report post

    2 hours ago, sticks999 said:

    I appreciate the comments some made about Lawson. he video I linked is impressive. He would be a great trade back choice for sure . .saying getting him at 10-15 and securing another round pic to boot.

    Of course he looks impressive in a highlight reel.  The problem with evaluating a player based on highlights reels,  is that they make everyone look like a superstar.

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      34 minutes ago, budkretz said:

    I agree. My top four are 1. Ramsey 2. Buckner 3. Bosa 4. Tunsil. 9 i can't see Ramsey falling to our pick, Buckner is more likely especially if SD don't grab him.
    If these four are gone I'd trade back if possible. If any of these four are on the board we take the pick. If not then the pick would be either Jack or Hargreaves. Looking at a trade , we aren't taking a QB and since enough teams need one a trade back is quite possible. I'd like to trade with Rams for their pick #15 and their two 2's (43 and 45). if this happens we have picks 15, 36, 43 and 45. We could get the parts we are missing (pass rusher, CB, tackle and , ILB) and they should be immediate starters or part of a rotation .

    Ramsey and Buckner are stars in the making. I see Buckner as another Michael McCreary. He would sure add to an already good DL.

    yeah,i'm not opposed to trade back,but we alway's get mid to late round pick's,very good,but not the BLUE CHIPPER'S we really need,the more i look at it,the more i'd like to stay at #6.i don't like BOSA and it looks like he doesnt want to play here anyway.it's just very exciting,i can't wait.even without trading back,its still like we have 3 first rounders,with,whomever we get at 6,PERRIMAN if he holds up and and the 36 pick,our front office has done a fabulous job in free agency so whateber happen's,we're set up nicely.in the word's of BART SCOTT,"CAN'T WAIT!!!

    "it looks like he doesnt want to play here anyway"

    that was an April Fools trick

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      50 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

    How would Elam translate to inside linebacker? Just a thought... I mean his coverage skills were quesitonable when he was the starter. He is good in run defense so maybe inside linebacker/safety role like Bucannon has done in Arizona might do okay for Elam. He had promise last preseason and I think he will get past the hump but he has a lot of competition at safety.

    His biggest weakness in the NFL has been his inconsistency and sometimes just down right awfulness at tackling.

    Frankly the most important aspect of any defender, and especially inside linebacker, is tackling.

    At this point... probably one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. If he improves his tackling, sure, I can see it. But certainly not now.

    tackling inside the box at ILB is easier than tackling in the open fiield as a SS. That being said I don't see Elam as a viable option at ILB. He would have a lot of difficulty diagnosing plays at his height. He would also have to gain a few pounds.

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    You saw what happened to the Panthers in SB 50 with Michael Oher at LOT. Eugene Monroe will only get us so far. OLT is a critical position for a non-mobile QB like Joe who must have solid protection on his blind side. Super Bowl wins came with LOT's Jonathan Ogden and the infamous Bryant McKinnie. Both provided their QB brick wall protection.

    Yea but the Broncos LT was Ryan Harris, who has been a journeyman for most of his career. He is average at best. Thankfully he will be the Steelers new LT (unless they draft someone that beats him out).

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    Alabama RBs have not lived up to the hype recently. I would rather Ravens draft late round FB like Hicks from Georgia to pave the way on short yardage and goaline with Foresett, Buck and LT. Juice is more of a H-back/TE.

    I can't see a scenario where we would be able to keep Juice and another FB on the roster. There are just not enough spots on the 53 man roster to go around.

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      50 minutes ago, crazyboutravens said:

    Please stop with the running backs. Why waste a pick on a position we don't need.

    One thing to remember before shooting the Henry pick down is our ZBS just got really tough because cut blocking is illegal now. So, we may need to alter our RB scheme to fit the new NFL and that means power running is an option. So schematically it gives us flexibility.

    Just visualize this. It is the 4th quarter in a close game and we don't want their offense back on the field because we are driving for a FG win. Their defense is tired and we unleash Henry on them in the 4th quarter. I don't think I need to elaborate any more. Lastly it doesn't mean I like picking a RB in the 2nd round, but I would completely understand the pick.

    Cut blocking is legal, chop blocking is illegal. The difference between the cut and the chop is outlined well in this article. At the end of the day the rule change really won't affect our offense that much.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/3/23/11288894/nfl-rules-changes-chop-blocks-cut-blocks-legal-illegal-explanation

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      34 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

    I would say put the "ready to lead" talks aside and let the guy prove it on the field. I guess we can all remember how one of the recurring themes of the 2014 off-season was how Matt Elam looked ready to lead the secondary... fellow players, coaches, he himself, pundits all heralded him in unison, how he had grown to be the true leader in the pre-season - and then the 2014 season happened, in which he, after a promising rookie season, completely disappeared...

    That said, I'm quite confident Mosely will continue to grow and won't disappoint - but let him prove himself - he has what it takes to do so.

    I agree. However, I expect that Mosley won't be asked to play ILB, but some OLB and maybe tackle or some SS as well to help out where needed. Elam was not as good a player as Mosley was coming into the league, nevertheless, he was promising and did alright his rookie year. I think that the shifting from position to position and not sticking with one thing that he could learn to his full potential is what destroyed him as a player and why he had such a steep sophomore slump.

    Why would they put Mosley at tackle or SS? That doesn't make sense. He did come off the edge a few times to rush the passer but the guy is an ILB through and through.

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      33 minutes ago, billiejean said:

    Is the Baltimore Sun a reliable source?

    *eye rolls*
    I dont see any Baltimore Sun links here. 
    and really, some player, coach, or front office testimony would be great, because fans, blogs, and news outlets make up stuff actual people in the NFL dont agree with at all, all the time. 

    But this is a tangent, almost completely beside the point, so for the sake of argument, you can have it. 

    That way you can start coming up with an answer to this question, getting back to my original point:
    What does one sub par season from almost a decade ago that none of you could even be bothered to remember beyond vague mention have to do with the work ethic and effectiveness of a player that has been nothing like that in any of the rest of his 13 seasons, in this upcoming September?

    The reason people are worried about this season is two fold. One, By suggs' own admission he showed up out of shape last year. Two, it is difficult to stay in shape when you are nursing a torn achilles. I am sure you will find flaws with all of these sources. The bottom line is that it is not such an outlandish idea to wonder if TS has stayed in shape over the offseason.

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Aging-Terrell-Suggs-Feels-Weird-Without-Haloti-Ngata/d268e1d9-abb7-45dc-a494-45ebd4282f07
    "The other change is Suggs’ offseason training methodology. The past couple years, it seemed Suggs arrived at minicamp determined to prove he was working hard away from the team. He came back looking like an action movie hero. This year, he showed up noticeably heavier with more love in his handles.
    “I’m definitely not in ‘Sizz shape,” Suggs said with a laugh. “I’m not out of shape. I can participate in practice without getting hurt and without getting tired. I’m definitely not at my fighting weight. I’m pretty much at my walking around weight.”"

    http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/02/04/harbaugh-needs-suggs-in-world-class-shape/#sthash.StY7TMLU.dpufIn 2009,
    Suggs didn’t agree to the deal until mid-July, meaning that he didn’t join the team for any of the spring workouts. By the time training camp rolled around in August, Suggs was behind in his conditioning and missed a large portion of camp with a heel injury.
    “I think he came in out of shape, and we now have him for the offseason,” Owner Steve Bisciotti said. “So, that’s going to say everything.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bs-sp-preston-ravens-terrell-suggs-column-1030-20151029-column.html
    "But he has struggled with playing weight the past two years. He was noticeably bigger during the mandatory minicamp in late June, and was still overweight when training camp started at the end of July. Suggs also never seemed to get over the Ravens trading one of his best friends, defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, to the Detroit Lions in March."

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-05-17/sports/bs-sp-ravens-suggs-0518-20100517_1_ravens-suggs-terrell-suggs-ravens-facility
    "Last season was filled with obstacles for the Ravens outside linebacker, from the weight of a new contract to the added weight on his body. Suggs finished with a career-low 41/2 sacks and 59 tackles, his fewest since 2003, his rookie season."

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bs-sp-preston-ravens-column-0915-20150914-column.html
    "During the past two seasons, he has used training camp and the early part of the regular season to play his way into game shape."

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/06/18/update-from-the-ravens-nest-with-aaron-wilson-2/
    "The question on most fans’ minds is about Terrell Suggs being out of shape. Aaron Wilson says he is probably 15-20 pounds over his playing weight but believes he can get back to his normal weight by the start of the season. Wilson says it is not too alarming but it’s also not a good thing. When Vinny said he is sure that Coach Harbaugh is upset by it, Wilson agrees that he probably is but won’t publicly embarrass him by talking about it. He will probably talk with him behind closed doors about what has to be done."

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      52 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

    OK:

     http://baltimoresportsreport.com/ravens-roster-countdown-55-terrell-suggs-8221.html

    http://thepurplechaos.com/2011/09/13/terrell-suggs-in-prime-position-to-become-ravens-next-defensive-leader/

     

    http://russellstreetreport.com/2014/04/29/street-talk/which-terrell-suggs-will-show-up-in-2014/

     

     

     

    you got links to 3 small time blogs that are presenting speculative opinions that amount to exactly what i said before; fans blowing his weight way out of proportion because he had ONE mediocre season.
    Two of them copied the same paragraph word for word into their pieces (and didnt cite each other), which means not only are we talking about speculative opinions, but theyre not even independent speculative opinions. 

    you could at least find a BR,com article about it, if you're going to bother. 
    You're scraping the bottom of the barrel on the internet, which is pretty hard to do.
    that should tell you something...
     

    Is the Baltimore Sun a reliable source?

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      24 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

    You didnt remember the year, because the year didnt exist. 
    You just latched on 2009 after i mentioned because it was the nearest thing that made you sound like you made sense. 
    Problem with that though is that you cant find the story stating that Suggs was overweight in 2009. Because it doesnt exist. 
    In 2009 the stories were:
    Kelly Gregg is old.
    Foxworth's knees are disintegrating.
    Frank Walker sucks.
    Chris Carr isnt worth that much money.
    hopefully our defense doesnt suck now that Rex is gone. 
    we still need more pass rushers, cuz Kruger is not it. 
    Suggs had a domestic violence thing that year. 
    nothing about him being overweight. 
    feel free to prove me wrong. 

     i seriously hope you dont expect me to apologize for doing homework before i speak about something. I wont. informed commentary is really the only way to go, especially since Google is SOO easy to use. Dont be mad at me for choosing to know what im talking about before i speak. 

    and no thats not ironic at all. I presented a possibility as a possibility. 
    Saying "Suggs COULD HAVE gotten 3 sacks in one of those games" is not the same as saying 'Suggs IS bad because we never got to see what he could produce in the part of the season he missed." 
    see the difference?
    Besides, what is your point even supposed to be with that whole train of thought? the only thing you're really doing their is further invalidating your own argument.
     

    OK:

     http://baltimoresportsreport.com/ravens-roster-countdown-55-terrell-suggs-8221.html

    http://thepurplechaos.com/2011/09/13/terrell-suggs-in-prime-position-to-become-ravens-next-defensive-leader/

     

      Quote

    Then, in 2009, Suggs hit rock bottom when collected just 4.5 sacks. That year he appeared out of shape, overweight, and was plagued by injuries. After the season ended, Suggs apologized to the Ravens organization and said that it would never happen again.

    http://russellstreetreport.com/2014/04/29/street-talk/which-terrell-suggs-will-show-up-in-2014/

     

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    Suggs and the team agreed on a six-year $62.5 million dollar deal before the start of the 2009 season. His bonus and guaranteed money made him the highest paid linebacker in the NFL.  He followed that with  the least productive season of his career with 4.5 sacks and was criticized for being lazy and overweight. This would be one extreme.

     

     

    ding ding ding ding.... we have a winner

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