billiejean

20 hours ago, Trevarski said:

Matt Ryan has the O.C I wish we had. Shanahan deserves a lot of the credit. Like Kubiak did for Flacco.

The guy would have been perfect for us and really the obvious choice.  Picking an offensive coordinator that specialized in the same offense in which our QB thrived in the year prior... well that just makes too much sense.  I kind of forget if we brought him in or not.  I feel like we were late and Atlanta had hired him before he got a chance to come here. 

1 hour ago, JamesA119 said:

I think they are afraid of taking players with any issues. I also think that Harbaugh has significant input in it. Will Hill is the last player we know that had significant personal issues, but he was on the roster before the Ray Rice incident that started the whole thing. Waller is the only player on our roster now as far as I can tell whom issue might have been known prior to being drafted. Boyle's issue appear to have beeen as much a surprise to us as it was to them.

Why do I think Hatbaugh has significant input? Because he is all about choir boys. There were several reports that as soon the Ray Rice case broke he suggested releasing Ray Rice even before the investigation was complete, and way before the elevator images came to light.
Torrey Smith was the ultimate choir boy, and Harbaugh spoke of shedding tears just reading reading about Torrey. Bernard Pierce was released after one incident of DUI within 24 hrs. Not to mention the release of Bernard Pollard for no apparent reason.

As I was watching the Atlanta game I couldn't help but notice how many studs they have on that team. They seemed so much faster and more physical than us. SMH! We used to be the most physical team on this planet. Ray Lewis was unanimously considered the most feared NFL player.

Don't forget about Alex Lewis... I think whats difficult is that even before the Ray Rice thing there was sort of this impression that we were a team of thugs, for multiple different reasons. I don't see how the Seahawks don't get that kind of label (well i guess I do, I never here about any of them being arrested). But when they win they jaw their mouths and try to antagonize the other team after, before, and during the game. And when they loose and they get a taste of their own medicine there seems like there is a scuffle every other play. That said I don't see how they get away with drafting a guy like Frank Clark. We certainly would never hear the end of it if we drafted a guy like that.  Tyreek Hill also fits into that category.  Both of them are producing though (Frank has 10 sack this year as a back up), so Im sure that takes a little bit of heat off of them from their own fan base at least.

 Totally different subject but a similar topic........

This is geared toward anyone. I know we have guys that live in the Steel City on here. I would love to here what they have to say. What in the world is the deal with this JOEY PORTER incident. It smells pretty rotten to me.

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_25390118/alex-lewis-ex-cu-buffs-lineman-sentenced-45

  On 1/13/2017 at 0:33 PM, ravenalltheway said:

trade up 2nd round and grab McCaffrey! well still nice to dream bout it even tho its not happening

In what world do we need an undersized scat-back? I don't understand all these people saying to draft Cook outta FSU...now McCaffrey? We have 2, if not 3 solid backs already on our roster. We just have to actually, you know, run the ball. If we want to take a back in the later rounds for insurance, ok sure, but people are talking about blowing our 1st rounder on a RB...why? It makes 0 sense.

yea scat backs tend to have a hard time in the AFC north. Just ask Chris Rainey and Dri Archer (i think there were also so off the field issues with those guys). It also doesn't make sense to take a RB with early picks if they aren't every down backs. I would take LF though. I just took a gander at NFL draft scouts RB ratings and Cook is actually at 1 LF 2 and CM 3. I think LF is hurt but I don't think he makes it to us. Donta Foreman is also an interesting option. It would be nice if we had a RB that could also serve as FB. Killing two birds with one stone kind of thing. Donta is just as big as Kyle. But obviously there are other questions that would have to be answered to do that type of thing. First how is he at catching out of the backfield. And does Donta know how to block and if not could he be taught. And really the first question is some what related to character which is, would he be willing to block.

Dean Pees will never get this defense playing on all cylinders . He will never be a Head Coach like our last three Defensive coordinators. Frazier will make those Bills great again.

Our last three defensive coordinators have not become head coaches. Unless you have some insider information about Greg Mattison that we don't know about.

Dean Pees will never get this defense playing on all cylinders . He will never be a Head Coach like our last three Defensive coordinators. Frazier will make those Bills great again.

Well I know you love Leslie but if his track record is any indication of his future success I wouldn't count his ability to make the Bills great again. There has been only 1 season in the last five seasons of Leslies coaching career where he has had a winning record. In his 3 years as head coach with the Vikings he only won more than 6 games once. For the two years he was defensive coordinator for the Buccs he won 2 and 6 games respectively, and in his last year the with the Buccs they only had the 25th best defense in the league. And before all of that he was the Minnisota Vikings DC for three years from 2007 to 2010 and there was only one year out of those three in which his defense was ranked higher than 25th in the league. I think it may be time to get off of the Frazier fanboy bus.

On 1/12/2017 at 6:23 PM, Cawtious said:

The awakening will be relief.  

Its hard for me to see how a guy ranked as the 56 guard in the league this year would be a relief.  Especially when he came in for a play during the Eagles game when Zuttah went out with a minor injury, and proceeded to be driven 5 yards into the backfield where West was tackled.  You must be basing Urshels skill level on his IQ or his popularity because when he has been in, he has been a disaster. I will say, his rookie season when he played 2 or 3 games at the end of the season and into the playoffs. he played pretty well which unfortunately seems to be an outlier because it has been all downhill from there.

Yes, bring in Roman as our Run Game Coordinater - which means Castillo is gone (because what has he really done??) and ultimately Roman will be in place mid season when Morninweg is fired because the offense is slacking again. Am I the only one seeing a trend here??????

Well it would be nice to have an offensive line coach. RGC does not mean offensive line coach.

  8 hours ago, sami said:

this year he had TWO big game receivers. SSS and Wallace not to mention under used Kamar. The receivers aren't his problem. The problem is #1 the system and schemes and routes #2. the offensive line, #3. SSS hit it on the head when he said Joe has had too many OC's. its like learning a new language every year. How can you be comfortable and play up to your potential with that?

Not even close. I would trade SSS AND Wallace for Antonio Brown. You cant and shouldn't put them in the same level. Brown is so good he demands double teams while our 2 top receivers do not. This creates mismatches and allows other receivers to get open. In our first game with pit we locked down brown and no one else was able to find separation. It worked once and then they made adjustments in the following games and guys stepped up. And Aiken was not used very often because he didn't perform when given then chance. He may have been a one year wonder and may not be back next season. 

Also I would never compare Joe to Manning but Petyon changed teams and systems twice in 4 years and Set records, 2 SB appearances and a SB win in denver. So yeah it's Peyton manning but it shows the qb is more than just the system they are in. 

Manning also brings his offense where he goes, except you are right, for that SB win he changed to Kubes, but it was tailored to his strengths at that point in his career.

If Flacco was as capable as Brady, Manning, Rodgers he could help define the offensive approach. After this many years, Flacco still can't read defenses effectively. With that said, for most of his career there hasn't been one big game receiver on this team, let alone a couple. The Steelers have quietly drafted and traded for big game receivers and a runner. They are the most dangerous team in the playoffs, IMO.

how many quarterbacks in the league are as capable as Brady, Manning and Rodgers?

11 minutes ago, eze17 said:

100% correct. Biscotti owns the team, not the city nor the fans. Anyone who believes he needs to answer to them is delusional. People in Baltimore once thought the same about a guy named Irsay. If you're old enough, you remember how that ended.

And any one who doesn't like that, well, quit buying tickets, t-shirts and other gear. Stop going to games. Stop watching games. No one "owes" you anything. The NFL is entertainment, not medical procedure that needs to be regulated. Get over it.

Yea I am not old enough to have lived through the Irsay regime but new conferences and the Mayflower moving trucks leaving in the cover of  darkness.  I feel confident in saying that we are in much better hands with Steve.

  39 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Jimmy Smith's injury was huge in effecting our defense giving up scores.

I'm glad Biscoitti takes a thoughtful approach to the team, the cohesiveness of the overall group and how important it is to build a culture of teamwork. Sure we are all frustrated, but this year saw positives along with negatives, the baby is in the bath water so being careful about what/whom you toss out is the correct approach.

Enlighten me on the positives please? And i'm not interested in any feel good silver linings that are as cliche as possible

Well you did say that the Ravens roster was the best in the AFC and maybe all of football. I guess that would be a positive. How you came to that conclusion I am not sure. It seems like your opinion and your beef with the organization changes everyday. People think what you say is ridiculous because you continually contradict yourself.

3 hours ago, steelraven said:

It's easy, pull a QB off the street and he can play just as well if not better than Flacco. Being Ranked at the bottom half of the league in QBR and no what's unfortunate is getting paid what he's getting paid without results, a kindergartner could understand that. Instead of resigning him which was definitely not economically viable, they should've let his contract run out, that was more logical than rational, because we've seen it for the past 4 years now. You can't get more logical than proof on paper.

Well what a kindergartner would be able to understand, and clearly what you seem to be having difficulty grasping is that we resigned him after he won the Superbowl, and there aren't any kindergartners that would say that was a bad idea.  We RENEGOTIATED his contract before the season.  If we did not renegotiate his contract we would have had to pay him nearly 30 million dollars this season. Your misunderstanding of the terms resign and renegotiate clearly points to your lack of knowledge on this subject so I wouldn't be throwing out insults about others perceived intelligence levels. And the unintelligible argument which you have put forth you have backed up with QBR.  Vut it is clear from your ignorance of even simple football matters that you have absolutely no Idea what QBR is or how it is calculated, which further supports my conclusion that you think you KNOW, but you don't KNOW.  As it seems you may have only been following NFL football for the last year or so I will do you the favor of directing you to the infamous clip where that line was uttered. 

I'm hoping the coaching staff has seen enough of kaufusi and Correa during practices or just physical training/rehab to know they are adding muscle and getting the defensive playbook down.Somehow everybody seems to have forgotten Carl Davis as a potential D lineman. I wonder how he's going to do next year?

The guys on my mind. I worry about him being away from the game this long. The reason he fell so far was because of work ethic concerns. I really hope hes sticking to it. He has talent.

I have been saying this. I like both backs, but they are not playmakers. They can't make something out of nothing. They can't take a 8 yard gain and make it an 80 yard touchdown. We need someone with speed and agility. We need a guy that makes the other team think, "If I miss this tackle or take a bad angle this is going to the house".

how many of those types of guys are in the game?

3 hours ago, ineng1379 said:

Get rid of Pitta. I have a lot of respect for him as a player and he was a big part of our superbowl run. But let's face it, he is not getting any younger, stronger or faster. To make matters worse, Flacco consistently looks for him and neglects open receivers. The only reason Pitta's numbers look impressive this year is because he got targeted a lot more times.
We have drafted 3 TE and if you add Juice to the mix we potentially have 4 who can start at that position. It's high time we start developing younger talent (bar Sizzle, that dude is a stud)

Don't forget about Watson.  If we were to get rid of one I would get rid of him.  He is the oldest and has the least upside.

19 minutes ago, The Beak said:

Zuttah is the worst center we have ever had here, he is never on the same page as the rest of the oline he misses a ton of blocks , he is supposed to be the general on the oline , but he is definitely the weak link.....

It is very clear you haven't been watching Zuttah. The worst center we've ever had?? After that ridiculous statement I am not sure why I am even dignifying you with a response,.but here it goes.  He was graded the ninth best center in the league last year and he will be graded in the top half of centers this year.  There are two possibilities here.  One, you have no idea how to access offensive line talent because you don't know what they do.  It would not surprise me if you couldn't tell the difference between a bucket or pull step and a false step. And you probably would have trouble differentiating between a pulling lineman and any type of cross block.  But hey maybe you do know about what goes on in the trenches.  If this is the case then your problem is that you have not watched Zuttah on every single play, assessed his performance on the play, and made a tally somewhere in a book so that you could add them all up at the end to see how he did.  You know like PFF does twice over.  But if I were a betting man I would say its both.  You don't know much about offensive line play and you are judging Zuttah on  .1 percent of the plays that he has played this season.  I would be fine with letting Zuttah go because of the money but not without bringing someone in, because if you think Zuttah has been the Ravens worst center ever (Did you just start watching the Ravens this season? Do you not remember Gino Gradkowski or AQ shipley?) you will be in for a rude awakening if either Jensen or Urschel are relied upon to take that spot next season. 

Zuttah is the worst player on the team by far. His missed blocks, OLE style blocking, never looks for second level blocks, horrible!!!! THink about it, if we have the best guard on one side, and a rookie that everyone is raving about on the other, why do we lead the NFL in up the middle pressures. One, is because Joe cant step up on the pocket if there is none. The opposite reason why ours stink, we cant get pressure up the middle. The other is Zuttah has passed his brime, he was a stop gap from not having a plan during the GIno days. Should have been gone, we should have had options.

Well that just isnt true at all. His first four games were rough with people rotating through the guard spots next to him. And yes there were two times in one of those games where he backed up on Joe. And in another one of those games neigher Jensen or Zuttah blocked a guy that they were clearly responsible for which lead to a sack. But in the last eleven games of the season he has been rated as one of top five players on the offensive side of the ball eight times. Twice he was the top player and twice he was the second. I wouldn't call Zuttah past his prime or a stop gap. He was rated the number 9 gaurd in the league last year. But he is expensive and if we do get rid of him we better have a plan because there is no one else on our roster that would come close to performing the way he did. And its possible that you would dispute PFFs grade or grading system but what I would say is that you are basing you opinion on only about 1 percent of his plays because there is no way that you would be able to watch him, and then access his performance on every single play during the game. But, he is expensive and I would be fine letting him go. But if we let him go and think that either Urschel or Jensen would be able to perfrom in his place it would be a really big over site.

This is a No Brainer! Keep Suggs and Wallace! Restructure Pitta's contract!

I feel confident in Judon taking Dooms place with KC and Kafusi for insurance! This is a No Brainer! Keep Suggs and Wallace! Restructure Pitta's contract!

I feel confident in Judon taking Dooms place with KC and Kafusi for insurance! (Saves 6Mil)

Draft a center and allow our draft pick and Zuttah battle it out for the starting job. Cut Zuttah if it's even close! (Saves 3.5Mil)

Cut Webb and start Levine! Can't be any worse! (Saves 5.5Mil)

Arrington/Lewis/Watson/Wright will not be missed! (Saves 10.9Mil) Tavon Young starts Corner!

Total Saved 25.9 Mil with minimal impact on team!

With that money we can resign BWill and sign another Safety like Tony Jefferson or a corner like AJ Bouye or Malcom Butler all free agents!

Worst case scenario we resign BWill and Juszczyk and still have 8-12 Mil dollars extra in cap room in addition to what we already have.

Swapping Levine for Webb would be a big mistake. Webb played fairly well this year and had a coverage grade better than Weddle. If we swap him for Levine then we have two strong safeties. I am not sure if we will keep Webb or not but there is no one currently on our roster that would be able to adequately take over that roll. And most certainty not Levine (there is a reason he doesn't play often). B Will is going to have to go. It is just not going to make sense for us to pay him the type of money that would keep him here. I think what happens to Juice wil be determined by how much interest there is around the league and what the rookie FB class looks like.

  On 1/7/2017 at 2:46 PM, TheConquerorWorm said:

  On 1/7/2017 at 2:13 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 1/6/2017 at 11:49 AM, Steve32 said:

  On 1/6/2017 at 11:26 AM, BiggMack91 said:

he is average at best he got flacco hurried on numerous occasions he is no Ogden he is a consistent Oher and we all know how that turned out he is solid but I wish we would have gotten hargraves CB at 6 but I don't see stanley being a franchise LT hope we finally draft a good CB this year with 1st round pick

Glad Ozzie make the picks and not you!

Not me. Ozzie's picks over the past 7 years have been destroying this franchise! If you need a list I'd be more than happy to provide. There have been at least 10-12 100% whiffs in rounds 1-3 over the past 7 years. Forget pro bowls, they are guys that can't even contribute at all to a victory. It's very sad, for the Ravens, and the fans. Think about that, completely whiffing on 2 of 3 picks in rounds 1,2, and 3.....for 7 years in a row!!!! That combined with our below average coaching staff, it's a miracle we went 8-8. Sizzle,Ngata, Ray, and Ed made John look good. Now he's been 100% exposed. This was literally the worst coached season in any sport I've seen my entire life. Yet Steve says bring em all back??? When all is said and done, if we keep drafting like we have been, we'll be losers for years to come.
Stanley is good. He better be good, he was picked 6th overall. Would've been nice to move back, pick up another high pick, and maybe have taken a corner in the first? Instead we move back later, for 4th round picks instead of 1rst and 2nds, and pass on franchise builders like Shepard, Spence, and Michael Thomas....And what do we do all that for.....100%WHIFF-KC. Kinda goes without saying that the phrase "in ozzie we trust" hasn't been around for almost a DECADE. Then Kufasi, another awesome hustle and developmental player.
This draft has multiple pro bowl corners in the first round. If we don't take one, the fans will have to "rise up!" LOL. really though. drafting and coaching are destroying the Ravens. It's not my opinion either. It's fact

Every team has close to the same "whiffs". Name me any pick Ozzie has made and I'll give you at least 10 guys picked BEFORE that player that been 100% busts.....

Belicheck is horrible picking in the 1st Round - I guess you think he's destroying the Pats, too? SMH

You wanted us to pick Jalen "Crying on the sideline cause he's losing" Ramsey. A soft, no heart DB - yeah that's what we needed....

A lot of teams may whiff, but not as much as we have recently. And what are you talking about Belicheck is horrible in the first round??...SMH...and no I don't think he's destroying the pats LOL
Easley got hurt. Besides that he's been killing it in the draft and hasn't missed on a first round pick in NINE years. Might wanna check facts before you "SMD" at me
All he's done is draft pro bowler after pro bowler after pro bowler. O, while at the same time, moving down the whole time and accumulating extra second and third round picks basically every single year. So please knowledgeable one, tell me how he's horrible at picking in the first...lol

Ok so he did well in the first round but you must be the only one in the world who hasn't realized that Belicheck has made some really big reaches in the second and third. Your Wheatleys, Butlers, Braces, Cunninghams, Dowlings, Bequettes, Wilsons, Dobsons, Ryans, Harmons (proj as a 7th rndr taken in the 3rd), Jimmy Garoppolo, Jordan Richards (proj as 6th rnder taken in the 2nd), Grissom (proj as a 6th rnder taken in the 3rd), Cyrus Jones (has played terrible this year). And then look at their later round picks. They have very rarely drafted quality depth with players taken after the fourth round. It gets talked about a lot around the draft, up until the regular season and then sort of falls by the wayside because they start winning, but any Pats fan will tell you that they are perplexed by a lot of those moves. But in the end it doesn't really matter because the Pats make it to the playoff and have a deep run if not a Superbowl appearance every year. I couldn't say this definitively but I think that if you took the last five drafts, the Ravens would have drafted more usable player than the Pats. I also think that if you did it with the Bengals you would find that they have drafted more quality players than either the Pats or Ravens. Anyway, Belachick is still arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time, and his tendency to reach on draft day won't change that.

right now,ALEX is a more complete O-LINEMAN as shown when STANLEY went down,we won those games with stanley out,he came here good at protection but not in the rungame,ALEX is a BIG NASTY!

You have got to be kidding me. The last six games of the season Stanley was rated as the best OT in all of football in pass pro. In those same games he was rated #4 in the run game. Alex is far from complete. We LOST the those games Stanley was out. It blows my mind that anyone could even come to this kind of conclusion. Where have you been all season. And if you don't believe me here it from Alex himself
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/After-Doing-OK-At-Tackle-Alex-Lewis-Wants-To-Be-Back-At-Guard/7434db43-3db1-4ed8-8fb7-f979effa74ee

  17 hours ago, Crusader said:

Either Malik Hooker or Solomon Thomas. in the 1st round.

Check out Hooker for secondary and Thomas as pass rusher. Trade what ever it takes with this year's draft picks to get them because I bet will be 8-8 in 2017.

trade whatever it takes? are those the only two players that are worth anything in this years draft?

On 10/31/2016 at 6:03 AM, Halshayeji said:

On 10/27/2016 at 7:44 PM, stixfix69 said:

Maybe time to also move Urschel to Center, Zuttah has been abused lately, and caused Flacco on a few occasion to trip on his feet, and get sacked from bull rushes up the middle.....JMO...

That to me was the straw that broke my back. You can't get shoved around like that. Especially when your the one snapping the damn ball. Iv defended Zuttah often but at this point, I'm not sure if he's any better than Urschel.

Lewis on the other hand is exceeding any expectation we had for him and I hope it continues.

On 10/27/2016 at 7:44 PM, stixfix69 said:

Maybe time to also move Urschel to Center, Zuttah has been abused lately, and caused Flacco on a few occasion to trip on his feet, and get sacked from bull rushes up the middle.....JMO...

Welll if you are just looking at his first four games you would be right to say he struggled and in one of those games he backed up on Flacco on two seperate occasions (that was the game he book ended by Urschel and Jensen). But of the last 11 games he has been rated as one of the top 5 offensive players on our team. And when Urschel did play this year and last it waos really ugly. Really, really, really ugly. People just remeber that one game backing up on Flacco twice and have some how convinced themselves that it has happened all season. That said his salary cap is high and he might be a casualty but if we went into the season expecting to rely on Urschel it would be a terrible mistake. Urschel has been consistently terrible. He looks like he is on skates. Zuttah came out for one play with a minor injury during the Eagles game. TW was taken down in the 5 yards in the backfield because Urschel didn't put up any type of resistance. If Zuttah couldnt come back in that game there is no doubt in my mind that it would have been an L. Unfortunately being smart doesnt do anything for your strength or athletic ability.

  3 hours ago, mc_red23 said:

  3 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

they had a chance to draft JALEN RAMSEY but blew it! he alone would of won a few games at the end of games.

Yet you don't factor in how many games we'd have lost by having Hurst as our starting LT.

alex lewis would have started at LT not hurst

im not sure if that a huge upgrade. Lewis has more talent than Hurst but Lewis is just a rookie and his time at LT this season did not look good. That said If we didn't draft RS in all likely hood we would have taken OL earlier than we grabbed Lewis.

On 1/7/2017 at 1:37 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

On 1/6/2017 at 5:09 PM, whobilly said:

  On 1/6/2017 at 3:53 PM, Crusader said:

Ravens were extremely lucky with injuries this year but still did not help them.

When you are loaded with mediocre players you likely will go 8-8.

We're definitely not loaded with mediocre players. I sincerely believe we had the most talented roster in the AFC easily, and maybe the whole league. The problem was we are loaded awful coaches all the way around, except Frazier. And Joe played pretty much the worst football of his career this year

The most talented roster in the AFC easily? We didn't even have the most talented roster in our division. How is that you know that Frazier is doing a good job and all of the other coaches are not????. Just to be clear i am not saying that Frazier is a bad coach. I am saying that there isn't any evidence that would legitimize cherry picking Frazier out of the bunch to say he has done a good job and the rest haven't.

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

  1 hour ago, steelraven said:

This Is an offensive league so I don't really blame the defense, at the end of the day the offense needs to score points and stay on the field to protect the defense. Why pay Flacco all that money if you want the defense to protect the offense? Tell Flacco to give half of that money he got and maybe they can build a defense. And I know people will start naming all these other QB's that got paid, well look at where there teams are, at home just like the Ravens and look at where they're ranked in QB ratings. Until that happens the Ravens will always be a 8-8 team or even worse. Only a hand full a QB's should get paid that amount of money because they can actually carry a team. Ravens shot themselves in the foot again when they extended Flacco's contract which set the team back again another 4 years. Ozzie has really been slipping lately.

I am sorry that you are unable to dictate the going rate for QBs in the league. There seems to be a misunderstanding of even basic Economic concepts here. And unfortunately, that is not surprising.

I am sorry you consider flacco an actual qb.......he's not worth wut he's getting paid........except on paper.....he looks sooooooo good on paper......totally agree wit steelraven here......but in reality its our below par head coach and Gutless front office which i am sure You think is jus peachy also........SMH

I am not sure if you read my post but if you get a chance point me to the place where I said anything about Joe Flacco or his skill level.