billiejean

  2 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

No it wasn't. Our FO didn't even make calls to move up inside 10. Ozzie clearly said that they tried mooving up in the "teens" so it was probably for barnett

What I heard was they tried to move up for Reddick but where did this moving up for a WR come up? Was it just speculation that if they moved up to get one of those receivers then it would cost this much, yada yada??

"The Baltimore Sun’s Jeff Zrebiec shared what he believes the Ravens would have needed to give up to get one of those players"

It was a hypothetical situation. It didn't have anything to do with the FO strategy on draft day.

1 hour ago, BlueHenToRaven said:

I meant he will eventually be axed, not immediately. And I see Boyle moving to more of a receiving FB position. And any and all players have a chance to be great....

Well if you mean eventually...  Crockett Gilmore is the most likely to leave after this year because his contract is up.  I dont see Williams or Boyle being let go before their contracts are up as long as Boyle can stay off the suspension list and they both stay healthy.  I wouldn't necessarily use the label "axed" to describe a player not being resigned after his contract is up though.  And unfortunately not everyone that makes it to the NFL can be great, but I'm sure that's what their mothers tell them.

  23 minutes ago, Raven1995 said:

  29 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  36 minutes ago, Raven1995 said:

  1 hour ago, RavensDE said:

Are people really that upset we didn't take a WR?

WR's generally take a year or two to adjust to the pros and are at high risk of not panning out compared to other positions. There was no offensive savior here. We had a great draft by all accounts. People give us B's because they feel we needed offensive talent, but say we got great value at every pick. If we are depending on our fresh out college pass catchers to save us we are not a top flight organization. If we are getting the best players we can out of the draft and patching short term holes in free agency we are setting the best course for long term success.

No, I don't think upset over Receivers, the top 3 were gone by the time the Ravens picked. Also, 3 Quarterbacks were taken and OJ Howard fell to us. A great TE (Sharpe, Heap) and Running Game is also what the Ravens were known for besides a Great Defense.

I mean that's great, but you also have a bunch of young TEs on the roster already, so do we just throw them away?

There's what we WERE known for, and there's what we are NOW known for. They don't have to be the same thing.

We didn't used to be a team that invested heavily in the QB position. Now we are, and so are all the consistent good teams in this league.

Times change. Teams change.

We have a bunch of Tight Ends that were on Injured Reserve last year, Ben Watson 37 in December, Williams and Gilmore. One who is more of a blocking tight end who has been suspended 2 times and one more will be out of the league. Pitta who is one of my favorites but he gets no YAC. Tight End is still very important in the NFL and its not one of the Ravens Strengths as so many people beleive.

If Pitta stays healthy, he is good. He might not get the YAC but he makes contested catches and moves the chains. I like Boyle, he has a chance to be great if he stays out of trouble. I think Williams will end up being a bust and Watson is definitely questionable after an achillies injury, but we shall see. But the one nobody is talking about is Darren Waller. Im pretty high on him. Hes big, hes got decent speed and he can catch. Also if Gillmore stays healthy, he is good too.

I think a combination of Pitta, Gillmore, Waller and Boyle is a good group. Pitta and Waller will be consistent. Gillmore may get hurt and if that trend continues, we may have to cut ties. But I don't see a problem with Pitta, Waller and Boyle (proided he doesn't get suspended)

Easy on that Blue Hen drank. Boyle has the chance to be great? I think he has a chance to be good and I think he will be a big contributor to this team, but using the term great is a bit over the top. It is extremely unlikely that we would cut Maxx. He would have to have an absolutely terrible camp for the FO to release a second rounder in his 3rd year. Even though he has only played 1 year that one year was much more impressive than Art Browns first 2 and we kept him a third year. You cant just write him off because he was injured last year and your a Delaware fan. I know its hard to think back that far but he showed promise in his rookie season...He actually made some really spectacular catches while working with 3 different QBs. He actually has more receptions than Boyle who has played more games. Not that, that necessarily means anything. I think they will both be on the team and they compliment each other well. Williams is your more athletic pass catching TE and Boyle is more of your blocking TE who I expect to take over a lot of Juices blocking duties. But they are both well rounded guys and should be able to contribute this year.

Good to see Ben Watson back up and about. I am very interested to see what he can bring to the table after the injury, especially given his age. At the very least, I think he is a good locker room presence and will be able to work with young guys like Boyle, Williams and even Gilmore.

I can't figure out why Urschel hasn't quite materialized as a true starter yet. Clearly he's got the brains to be an O-line guy (as they are typically the smartest guys on the field by a long shot) and his size isn't terribly small. But something is holding him back still. Would really love to see him become the starting center.

If intelligence and body weight were the only factors that determined a centers skill level, every team would have a pro bowler. I think it would be great if either Jensen or Urchel become starters this season, but I won't be surprised if they don't. Both of them were projected as 7th rounders coming out of college for a reason. And unfortunately that reason had to do with on field issues rather than off field issues.

On 4/29/2017 at 7:17 PM, The Greek said:

jackson is still available. maybe we can bring in both jackson and Q and bring back some attitude to the offense at least for this season. hehehe. not sure if boldin is still sour about being traded away.

If those options fall through maybe we could trade ESPN Ben Watson for Steve Smith.

When are they going to take his Ravens playbook?

I see we have a couple 6'5ers as UDFA, hopefully bobby engram can develop them. But then again we already have chris matthews who we dont use.

Well unfortunately being 6'5" does not automatically mean you are going to be a good receiver. Being 6'5" and running a 4.3 doesnt mean you are going to be good either (Tommy Streeter, Stephen Hill, Matt Jones, and many many more). The Seahawks did cut him for a reason after his Superbowl performance.

1 hour ago, Maurice0094 said:

I dont care playing a bit of homer here I want to see Towson's fullbacks get a look Emmanuel Holder and Dreon Johnson.

Yea I wouldn't mind bringing in Will Likely as well.  I know in the past we have at least tried to give the hometown guys tryout.

3 hours ago, law215 said:

Of of the players on the list , I think Tim White due to return ability may have the edge. It's also a warning shot to Campanero if he can't remain healthy.

I think Camp knows hes on thin ice. He has been in the league for 3 years and has only managed to play in 11 games. He was released from the team last year and we brought in Danny Woodhead who has a similar skill set. Im rooting for the guy but its definitely going to be an uphill battle. Interestingly enough when we released him last year both NE and Den showed some interests. Which could mean that if he doesn't make the squad he may still have a chance somewhere else unless of course the reason that we let him go was due to injury.

2 hours ago, Crusader said:

I think you shoild read your comments. They apply more to what your saying than to me. Its easy to critize what others are seeing what do you see? I seen Brian B embraced Rays influence and John fought it until the "mutiny ". I give you another prediction. The defense will play great the first three quarters again but because of the three and outs they break. The offensive line needs time to gel and Ravens are replacing two critical positions. It's not rocket science what going to take place. Kyle was Joe's best blocker amoung TE. He gone. I'm not going to get upset this year if we go 4 and 12 then load up with offensive players that will set the Ravens up for next 5 years. Face it Ravens have to get by New England and their not there yet. Pro foot ball picked the last three years Ravens fished. Im waiting on this year's prediction.

My argument wasnt about your thoughts on Harbaughs coaching abilities.  My rebuttal to your argument was that if Harbaugh were to be let go after the season, he would not have to go back to the College ranks to get a job and that there would be plenty of teams in the NFL that would be interested in his services as a HC.

My second argument isnt about how the O Line will perform this year.  My argument is that with 3 months until the begging of the season, and with only 3 rounds of the draft in the books, it is way to early to label position groups in a negative or positive way. Anything could happen between now and then.  We could pick up Mangold, or a guy that gets cut, and really the possibilities are endless.  And without knowing who will start this year its extremely difficult to make predictions about the OL performance.

Your argument - "The offensive line needs time to gel and Ravens are replacing two critical positions. It's not rocket science what going to take place"

In 2011 the Ravens lost both Jared Gaither and Ben Grubs to free agency at the end of the season.  So in 2012 Oher moved to LT, we drafted KO who played at RT (he switched to LG in the playoffs) and we picked a 36 year old veteran in Bobby Williams to start at LG.  The LG position that year was a revolving door.  Both Ramone Harrwood and Jah Reid played at that position at times during the regular season.  And that OL with two new starters got us to the SB.  They weren't the best OL in the league, but they played well as unit that year, even with the constant changes at LG.  And I am sure I could find a lot more instances where an OLine had 2 new starters and played well.  I even think that I could find a line that played well with 3 new starters from the previous year.

your argument - "Kyle was Joe's best blocker among TE. He gone."

For starters I don"t think that is an accurate statement, especially because we have two of the biggest TEs in the league with Gilmore and Boyle.

But what really gets me about that statement is that you continually made comments about how terrible of a blocker that Kyle was last year through out the entire season.  And even after the season ended and he was rated as the best FB in the league, you were still adamant about the fact that he was an awful blocker.  And that was only 2 months ago.

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

I think you shoild read your comments. They apply more to what your saying than to me. Its easy to critize what others are seeing what do you see? I seen Brian B embraced Rays influence and John fought it until the "mutiny ". I give you another prediction. The defense will play great the first three quarters again but because of the three and outs they break. The offensive line needs time to gel and Ravens are replacing two critical positions. It's not rocket science what going to take place. Kyle was Joe's best blocker amoung TE. He gone. I'm not going to get upset this year if we go 4 and 12 then load up with offensive players that will set the Ravens up for next 5 years. Face it Ravens have to get by New England and their not there yet. Pro foot ball picked the last three years Ravens fished. Im waiting on this year's prediction.

Crusader what you have have put up arguments that have nothing to do with my assertion.

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

I agree but let's realize something. Cam was not as good as Kubiac but was better than what replaced him since. Cam could get us very close but just could not close the deal. A team that won two superbowls in the 2000's and we can't get a good OC cordinator what gives?

Thats a completely valid argument and I agree with all of that.  And I think there have been multiple instances when he has made poor choices in teh coaching department. Deciding to stick with Trestman last spring only to let im go is another example of that.  Im not all the confident in Martys abilities at this point either.  I think Trestman was an odd choice since the beginnin.  Joe had one of the best seasons of his career under Kubiak, and i thought picking another M Shanahan disciple would be the obvious choice.

1 hour ago, GENE2407 said:

My beef with Harbaugh would center around the coordinators, not players. I'll always reference the Cam Cameron situation as an example of John being way WAY too loyal and stubborn to coord's that suck. Right now we can do a lot better than Morningwig and Pees, but he won't make a move until they fall flat on their faces and the backlash from the fans grows to a revolt.
 

I can't argue with that.  That is actually a pretty fair argument in my book

  10 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  11 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

  18 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

Don't worry about it Ryan, just don't worry about it. We needed to address our defense OK. This is Ravens town, AKA defense. Just let the big boys handle business.

Good job Ozzie, and evrybyelse who had to do with us getting these phenomenal picks. Step one... address this defense. Next year we will add more to our offense.

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach

I don't think Harbaugh feels such a pressure - even if he was fired from Baltimore, he'd have a new HC gig in a day. Even with his rather pedestrian last 3 seasons, his overall track record is still rather impressive.

I would not bet on John getting a head job in the NFL. He'll have to go back to college. John done nothing since Ed and Ray left but fire coaches and Kubiak proved the players were not the problem. The failed draft picks also signed part of John's fate. I don't see John going anywhere. The wheels would have to completely come off. Joe on the other hand is going to get beat up in more ways than one. Right or wrong.

You do realize that your inability to be objective puts a lot of your comments in the irrational zone. You are so eager to hate everything the Ravens coaches and FO do, that you are unable to realistically view them the way that the rest of the league does. And of course there are guys on the other side of the objectivity spectrum too. They are the "purple koolaid" guys, but because you are sooo far on the other side of the spectrum, you label the people who make rational and objective comments as homers. Some of the things you say are just not based in any type of reality. Rex Ryan got a head coaching job right after the Jets let him go. And his time with the Jets was far less impressive than Johns. Andy Reed is in the same boat. John has made it to the playoffs a higher percentage of the time than Reed did in Philly. He has won a Superbowl, and has won the same amount of playoff games in 9 years, than Reed did in 14 years with the Eagles. And there are countless other examples of coaches having far less success than John, that have become a head coach for another team the season after they have gotten fired from another team. It is completely fair to talk about moving on from Jim and other guys in the FO if we dont have a good season. It is completely relevant and rational discussion to have. But to think that their wont be any teams that will be in line for JHs services as a head coach just isn't based in reality. But on top of that you are saying that he will have to go back down to the college level to get a job and thats crazy. And on top of that when you wrote this we were only 3 rounds into the draft with more than 3 months till the first game starts and you think we should throw in the towel already because Joe is going to get "beat up" because we didnt draft an OL in the first 3 rounds. You are wrong in this case the vast majority of the time because of your bias. And than every so often you say something really interesting and insightful that makes a lot of sense only to fall off the rails again.

Now looking at all the 4 picks on the defensive side of the ball, one can't help but get pumped up about the defensive potential this team now has. I don't know if players like Zadarius will now make the cut or not, but I am really thrilled to see our defense dominate. Think about how good we can be this year. Scary good.

Yea Z is going to have to bring his A game. Its possible we could keep 5 OLBs but its definitely not a certainty. I like Z hopefully he has been working on his pass rushing moves. Another factor will be his special team play.

  19 hours ago, BigUgly said:

If you wanted evidence of Ozzie sticking to BPA philosophy, this was it.  One can only question how they assembled the board, and time will tell.  I thought they got boxed into taking Humphrey in the 1st after trying to move up and down, and picked the best Bama player on their board. So be it.  Bowser seemed a bit of a reach with the #2, but still not too crazy.  Wormley was actually good value at where he was selected, as was Williams, but the latter has some major character red flags (guess Harbs was out of the draft room at the time).  I was expecting to see JuJu or Godwin at WR and Elflein get nabbed by the Ravens, and Willis ahead of Bowser.  Oh well.   In Ozzie we trust.

I much rather would have had Jordan Willis, but Bowser actually has legitimate talent in comparison to KC😂

Jordan Willis has great strait line speed but that isnt a big factor for edge defender. He is a fighter but he isn't very explosive or twitchy. Similar to Kruger but more pro ready than he was. The Krug spent a lot of time on the sidelines in his first 3 years. But I do think JW would have been the safer pick he is certainly more pro ready than Bowser but Bowser has a much higher ceiling. It looks like we will be seeing JW twice a year though. It will be interesting to see how the two grow over the next few years.

7 picks left, Ozzie and crew plz pick up dupree,Cannon,Scott, Dural wrs as it looks like they are going undrafted. Hikutini too and 1 of the FBs

I dont think they are scouring the comment section for advice

Time to start courting Boldin considering we have one legitimate WR on the roster in Mike Wallace.

Thats a possibility. There will also be some UDFAs that could be intruding. But if the FO thought it was neccessary there are teams with way too many WR on their roster so we could go that route. The Eagles WR core looks pretty bloated at the moment. There are also other vets out there besides Q. I dont think V Jackson has signed with a team yet.

aside from drafting a punter/kicker, our 6th &7th rd picks have never offered anything to the team. wish the front office would pkg them in the future to move up in some rnd to grab a player we have targeted. we missed out on some of the top lineman when they all got drafted back to back to back when offering up the late rnd picks would have moved us up enough to get one of them. very concerned about the center position. even if we sign mangold he has had injury issues the past 2 years so no guarantee he lasts the whole season. maybe jensen has really shown them something

Well depth is important. No one is consistently picking starters in the 6th and 7th rounds, that just the nature of the beast. And the amount of spots that you would be able to move up by trading 6s and 7s is negligible. Its easy to say that we should have moved up to grab one of those OL in hindsight, but no one could have anticipated the run OL leading up to our pick. But the roster isnt set there are a lot of options out there. Your Mangolds and Boldins and also it looks like there is going to be some pretty good interior lineman that we might be able to pick up that aren't going to be drafted. Maybe the Browns would be willing to throw us a couple draft picks if we take Cam Erving off their hands. lol Unfortunately his performance with us wouldn't be any different to what it was with the Browns but I would take those picks lol.

4th&5th rd picks will make or break Raven's offense this year. O-line must make Joe stay up and get running room for RBs. Good luck that o-line coach has diamonds to polish not clay to mold. Will Joe rework his contract to give Ozzie more cap space to get WR and o-line vet experience?

Since no modern day starting QB has ever taken less money than what was agreed upon in his contract, I would say no. It always going to be the same answer for you guy. Whether you are asking if we could trade Joe to Cleveland for their first round picks this year, or If we could just cut Joe and pick up Jay Cutler and Alshon Jeffery the answer to all of your questions is always going to be NO.

  21 minutes ago, Flacco2Mason said:

Hoping for Caleb Brantley next round

I know it isn't a need but the kid is a beast in my ooinion. His take looks impressive.

I am with you. I am surprised he was picked to be honest. And of course the Bengals take Joe Mixon. Both are talented players but both are scumbags. People in Cinci arent happy.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cincinnati-tv-station-calls-for-boycott-of-bengals-after-team-drafts-joe-mixon/

This is a solid pick. I know some people were high on Z Banner but this was the right move. If Zach Banner ever starts for the Colts its going to be because they have a lot of injuries on the OL and its not going to be pretty. Converting a 6 9 guy to OG is tough and with his inelasticity and girth he is going to have a tough time getting into a three point stance. And to top it off this guy has come into camp way over weight in each of the years he has played at USC.

There goes Butt, 2nd round quality te.. wont get him.. dang it

I think we are good in the TE department. Butt isnt a really explosive play maker either.

This dude is a wide load.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyBs9-IJ2fI

26 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

ok no tim williams shouldn't play at ILB an Imo neither should KC both were pass rushers in collage so I don't see a good transition but hey whats it matter anyway for all we know we draft Ben Boulware and KC never plays ILB or he does can't wait for the preseason

Im not so sure about the Benny Boulware pick.  In most draft projections hes expected to to in between 7th to UFA.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=126695&draftyear=2017&genpos=ILB

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2017/ILB

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/ben-boulware?id=2557992

That said they are just projections and he certainly could go earlier than expected

22 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach

I don't no Mack I think he could be a solid player.  A lot of projections had him being taken any where between the 1st and 2nd rounds.  You may be right though I probably haven't seen him play as much as you have.  He might end up surprising you

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=125917&draftyear=2017&genpos=dt