billiejean

When he has played it hasn't been pretty. I don't think any team drafts a center in the 5th round and expects them to be the starter at some point, unless a guy that should have been taken earlier has fallen down the board because of some off the field issues. And if anything John was taken early. There is a real good possibility that he would have been a 7th rounder or an UDFA if we didn't take him. We need to bring in other guys either through the draft of FA to compete with him. If he beats them out than he is the starter, but I think even Jensen would be a better option than John. You don't need to be a genius to call out protections as a center. John is overqualified in that regard and those extra IQ points don't make him any better at calling out protections than a guy with average IQ. It is just not as complicated as some people make it seem.

Yea your right saying he only had one good season is an exaggeration. I think 3 years 20 mil is probably a good estimate of what it would take to pick him up.

I don't think I would make the assumption that he won't be that expensive. He had a ridiculously good year with Buffalo. The four years prior to that season he did not play that well. He almost doubled his tackles in 2016 compared to 2015. He had 149 tackles last year and before that he never even broke the 100 tackle mark. Now if we sign him to a contract based solely on last season, we could get screwed down the line when he doesnt put up those kind of numbers. And if that happened people here (even the people that are advocating for the FO to sign him) will say what a terrible move the FO made by signing a guy that has had one good season in his entire career. He and his agent are looking for that type of contract and that type of contract is not going to be as inexpensive as you are predicting. But expense is relative. It will be inexpensive compared to BWills contracts for sure. But it will be expensive for a player who has only had one good season in his five year career. I like Zach. I think he would be a good addition, but he is a risky signing, and we are going to have to throw more money to him that he probably deserves at this point. There is another factor here which the front office would have a better understanding than I do at this point. And that is what his success last year is attributed to. I think whatever the answer to that question is will make us either more or less willing to shell out the dough to sign him.

I don't think we have to wait to see. I can already tell you that thats not going to happen. Max a bust? He has only played one season. We have spent way too many resources on TE both through the draft and FA to draft one in the first. When Maxx has played he has played well both in the catching and the blocking department. Gilmore is not only a blocking TE either. He isn't as sure handed as Max but labeling him solely as a blocking TE isn't accurate. Keeping Perriman in your future plans for the team but not Maxx is absurd. They have played in the same amount of games. A guy being hurt for the season isn't a reason to label them a bust. Just because you haven't heard a guys name in the last 6 months doesn't make him any less of a player. The opposite is true too (see John Urschel)

What does the introduction leader do? Chuckx99 cmon man you aren't fooling anyone. You don't know much of anything about football. Some of the terms you use and the ideas you have are quite frankly, bizarre.

We aren't going to pick up Murray or Lacy. We have two fine running backs and I know you think one of them is a "dufus". It is true that Dixon is no Ezekiel Elliott, and he has flaws, but the term "dufus" does not accurately describe any of them. Im sure we will add a guy from the draft or a guy in FA that will come cheap. We DONT need to pick up a 1000 yards rusher. You are getting to hung up on that stat. You need to look at the yards per carry. We aren't going to draft a rookie and expect or need him to get 1000 yards because he will be splitting carries. This isn't 1995, you don't have to have one workhorse running back to win games. It seems that you may be new to the game and if that is so, I would ask you to look at the Patriots RBs as of late. Most of the guys that they have used are cast offs, late rounders, or UDFAs. They have gone to the super bowl 7 times since 2000 and they have only had a 1000 yard rusher 3 of those times. 1000 yards is just a number. It doesn't mean anything.

If Ozzie does not draft a CB he should be fired before the 17th pick is called. No excuse everything else would be BS. That's an absolutely terrible draft strategy. take what the board gives you. When you have as many needs as we do, going into a draft intent on picking CB (or any other position) in the first round is a "BS" move. If the two or three top corners are gone before our pick is up, you don't reach for a CB who shouldn't be taken until the second round. You take someone else or you trade back. If the best CB on the board by the 16th pick is Teeze Tabor and Solomon Thomas hasn't been picked yet, it would be a terrible move to take Tabor. If we did that and Teeze had a rough rookie season you would be on here every day during the offseason complaining about how terrible the FO is because they reached for a second round corner in the middle of the first round.

If Zach plays like he did last year he would be a good pick up, but last year was the only season where he put up good numbers. He played in a 3-4 the year before and didn't have nearly as much success. And Im not really sure what that could be attributed to. Did he get more snaps? Did Rex use him differently than Horton did? Maybe he just needed a change of scenery? He is the full package though. Great in coverage, blitzes well, and would pair nicely with Mosley. Im surprised that he hasn't been signed yet. It makes me think that he is asking for a contract based solely on last seasons performance rather than a contract that takes his whole body of work into account.

I think you completely missed my point here lol im commending him for already proving 31 teams wrong and now it's time he channels that hunger into winning a SB and maybe perhaps contaminating everyone around him. im not sure if I deserve you telling off like "shame on you" but heck I love the passion it came from and that passion is indeed contagious! keep bleeding purple brother! Liked... Yea "shame on you" should probably be reserved for kids, dogs, and politicians.

The right choice? Tyrann Mathieu is a great player but he has never played a full season and probably never will. There is no doubt in my mind that if we took him in the first people would be criticising the FO for picking such a fragile player. With hindsight it looks like a great pick because you know we picked Elam and Tyrann would certainly be a major upgrade. But if we picked TM and Matt Elam wasn't part of the equation the pick would get criticized. There would be a lot of.... Why in the world did Oz pick such a small safety in the first round knowing how rough that position is? Did they really think he would be able to make it through the whole season? One thing i can be sure of ,and that is that if you told someone four years ago that the Ravens would be giving out a big contract to an undrafted Safety rather than the first rounder that we picked in the same class, they would say you were crazy.

"I honestly don't know how a writer for the Ravens site can get away with making certain cases that appear in this article without presenting the whole truth" Now come on Ed you've been here long enough to know that there is a slant to the articles that are written here. This is the RAVENS website. They made it seem like Correa was the next Ray Lewis before the team started full contact drills. But, I wasn't disagreeing with your assesment of our draft. Clearly we have missed too much lately, but when you don't have an accurate assessment of how other teams have fared than you really don't know how bad our drafts have been. You could assign values to all 32 teams for the 2013 teams but that wouldn't do you any good because it's not a large enough sample size. There are some interesting statistics in an article that I was reading the other day. It ranks teams drafting success since 1996, which is too large of a sample size. But if you scroll past the rankings there is some interesting draft data. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nfl-draft-history/ I don't think you could ever come up with a system to accurately quantify a teams drafting success but the following links have tried. I havn't really looked at the methodology. I don't think I would put any weight behind the numbers. NYP ranking seem particularly unreliable. They have attributed a grade each year for a teams past 5 drafts and some how we make a miraculous leap from 25 in 2015 to 12 in 2016. Raiders go from 31 to 7. http://nypost.com/2016/04/24/ranking-from-1-32-the-nfls-best-teams-at-drafting/ http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15414561/ranking-best-worst-drafting-teams-round-1-carolina-panthers-houston-texans-top-list http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/list/nfl-draft-pick-grades-best-drafting-teams-history-packers-patriots-cowboys-steelers-seahawks-giants-jets-49ers-colts/1l1pnbiucjqpa1812jl4ry152i

bigfrank my man, you have to know at how the players picked by the other teams have fared for the last 4 years to make an informed decision. And I don't think there is any logical reasoning that would put Denvers class in front of ours. The only guy that played for them in that class was Williams and he can't hold B Wills jock strap. And I think you could even argue that our class was better than NE. Clearly Collins was a good pick. Logan Ryans first year starting was last year, but he has been a solid contributor. Harmon was a back up in the four years in NE, but a contributor nonetheless. But the other guys were misses. Clearly there isn't an argument to be made that our class was better than Pitts, and for the most part that because of Bell. If Bell was the only guy in that rookie class that made the 53 in 2013, Pitt would have still had a better draft than ours. But as I said, I think you could make the argument that our class comes in at 2 or 3 on that list. But Denver comes in at 4 without question.

How would you rank these 2013 draft classes Pitt 1 Jarvis Jones 2 Leveon Bell 3 Markus Wheaton 4 Shamarko Thomas 4 Landry Jones 5 Terry Hawthrone 6 Justin Brown 6 Vince Williams 7 Nick Williams Denver 1 Sylvester Williams 2 Montee Ball 3 Kayvon Webster 5 Quanterus Smith 6 Vinston Painter 7 Zac Dysert New England 2 Jaimie Collins 2 Aaron Dobson 3 Logan Ryan 3 Duron Harmon 4 Josh Boyce 7 Michael Buchanan 7 Steve Beauhrnais Ravens 1 Elam 2 Brown 3 B. Will 4 Simon 4 Juice 5 R Wagner 6 Kapron Lewis Moore 7 Aaron Mellette 7 Marc Anthony

Im not sure what of your definition of a "pure pass rusher" is but it is certainly not a title that I would use to describe John Simon.

The last two seasons Mangold has played pretty poorly. And last year he only played 8 games. But if he is willing to come in with a fair contract that takes those two blemishes into account I think we should pull the trigger. In all fairness it must get pretty discouraging playing for the Jets with all the QBs and regime changes hes gone through. I think a change of scenery would do him well. There doesn't seem to be a huge market for his services. The only thing that I've read about him in the last few days is that some teams have inquired about possibly moving him to guard.

Its past 8-8 right now if we draft well I personally hope all of those guys are cut though I think Claiborne is a terrible idea Mangold should be explored And I think Zach Brown should be a big target I know a lot of people around here don't like old folks coming in. But different and dominant players are lasting longer than usual these days. I would love to add Peppers or Ware to rush on thirds downs opposite Suggs. And give Sizzle breathers. They can both stop the run and would be great additions in every other way too. We have a chance to really get an A++ this offseason. I give the FO a solid A right now. Have to draft well though. Better than well! The issue with Zach Brown is the only good season he has had in his 5 year career was last season. Its a risky move and I think there will be other teams out there that are going to be willing to throw a lot of money at him.

Round 1. Takkirst McKinney- OLB UCLA or Solomon Thomas- OLB- Stanford Round 2. De De Westbrook- WR- Okla Round 3. Fabian Moreau- CB- UCLA Round 3. Zach Barner- T /G - USC Round 4. Devonte Fields - OLB Louisville Round 5. Robert Davis - WR- Ga State or KD Cannon - WR - Baylor Round 6. Kareem Are- G- FSU Provided we land Claiborne if not then we go after TreDavious White -CB LSU in the 2nd round and Ju Ju Smith- Schuster- WR - USC in the 3rd I wouldn't take Banner unless we picked him up as a UDFA. He looks like a whale out of water on the field. He has come to camp heavy in every single offseason that he has been with USC and not just a little heavy either. He has been up to 400 pounds at some times. Hes not worth the risk.

Dixon is a Dufus? What does that even mean. We arent going to be able to make any other big splashes in free agency. I am not sure if you have heard but B Will and Tony Jefferson cost us a pretty penny. I know you dont like to bother with the realities that come with the salary cap but unfortunately the F.O. has to take that into account.

I would be worried about going into the season with those 3 OLBs and an addition of a UFA or late round pick. But I was also worried about going into the 2014 season with Wagner starting at RT, and into the 2016 season with Orr starting at ILB. Z is the most concerning for me. He needs to work on some different pass rushing. I have only seen him use the bull rush which hasn't been really effective for him. A few of his sacks he got his rookie season were due to good coverage. And two of them were manufactured using a stunt that had him twist inside. I think the stunt sacks were actually almost back to back in one of the Steelers game. He did get better at setting the edge last year but that is also a skill that is still a work in progress. Where does the FO think that Correa is going to be spending most of his time this year ? I haven't heard much about him.

Taking a TE in the first two seems improbable as well. But there is certainly a much greater chance of us taking a TE early than a QB. Especially if a guy takes an unexpected fall down the board.

This is the issue with assigning positions to draft picks before the draft starts. It is just not realistic. If you think that Ozzy is going into the draft with a list of positions that he won't take in the first 4 rounds you are fooling yourself. You say we are set for years to come and than you say that you can only guarantee that he has 2 years of high quality play left, followed by saying we are set for years to come once again. And I didn't specify what round we would take a guy in. I am not sure if you realize this but both the safety and cornerback (sometimes converted to safety in nfl... Sean Davis) are the deepest positions in the draft. There are going to be good safeties available in each round. But again, if there is a safety that the Ravens covet, that falls in the draft, and represents a good value the FO will not hesitate to take him. And that applies to ALL of the rounds. Yes even the first. It would certainly be more of a need if we let Webb go which is a possibility. But regardless we are going to need to pick up a safety somewhere. Even if we do keep Webb. The only other safety we have on the team is Huff. Its funny because you're a guy that constantly criticized the depth during last season season (with good reason), yet you are ready to go into the season with only two safeties, one of which is 32 years old. Are you comfortable with a Brandon Trywick or Anthony Levine type guy starting if either one of those guys gets hurt. And the best part is that you point to SSS to support your premise that age is just a number. Did you forget that Steve missed 11 games in the last two years. Injuries happen. Some young guys would be extremely lucky to learn from TJ or Weddle even if they don't turn out to be Weddles replacement.

I wouldn't check off safety just yet. I think it would be wise to look for a true FS. At this point in his career Weddle is better suited as a SS and SS is TJs natural position. Although those guys are better in coverage than most SS in the league it would still be a good idea to bring in (preferably through the draft) a young guy better suited for that center fielder roll. He would be able to learn from the vets with the hope that he could take over Weddles spot somewhere down the line. Menelik would be an interesting pick up. Does anyone no what Vollmers situation is? Is he recovering from an injury?

I think that the people that are bemoaning the addition of Danny and the possibility that Pitta will be back next year because they believe that the pair will exacerbate Joe's check down woes need to think logically about this for a second. There is always going to be a check down rout. If Danny and Dennis weren't with us next year then you would be upset with Crocket, Maxx, Dixon, or Camp. Joe most definitely checks it down too much. I don't watch the all 22 tape so I am not sure how many of those check downs were thrown when there was a guy open down field, but I am assuming that does happen. Marty is the guy that is going to have to find a way to minimize check down. Both by coaching and play calling. There were also times last year when Joe would throw it down field on a third down, but the receiver would be in front of the first down marker. That is an anecdotal observation though. I am not sure how many times that happened or if it occurred because the WR were working back to the ball in a scramble drill.

The majority of what you have said is either impossible, inaccurate, or unrealistic and sometimes all three. What is the point of posting such an unfeasible agenda for the offseason? On another note, I think you should set up a time to grab a few cold ones with Chuckx99 at some point. You guys seem to be on the same page. There is no doubt in my mind that the two of you would get along famously.

Does anyone have any insight into the amount of interest that Riley Rieff is drawing. I don't even want to consider picking up DJ Fluker.