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3 hours ago, Fastynart said:

A much better football team? Baloney. Instead of pulling the trigger and getting Ramsey (so what if we had to give up a third round pick), the guy that we wanted, we fall short. Ok, Stanley was a good choice, but little else in this draft was. More mediocre linebackers like the ones we already have. The only intriguing pick was the Navy guy. Two wide receivers??? Again? Ridiculous. More wasted picks.

How do you " pull the trigger" when the other guy isn't willing to deal? Takes two to tango and Jerry wasn't dancing.

8 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

10 minutes ago, jrubin80 said:

@Mike B. Who says he doesn't need surgery? Jack said himself that doctors said he could need Microfracture surgery in the future. ALl due respect but
the fans that are upset over The Ravens not drafting an injured player are the
same fans who are labeling Perriman a bust!!!

Probably true, but l would take Jack over Correra at this point. ?

Jack is rookie of the year--- see, I told you so

Jack is out of football with a knee problem -- see I told you so.

Ever try to get travel ins. with a pre-existing condition?

Overall I would give this draft--- nothing since no one on this thread can predict the future. How come we go through this song and dance every year when it is a farce. However this nonsense is encouraged because it maintains fan interest, and keeps us going until training camp. I am sure that the Ravens will field a competitive team as usual and I, for one, can't wait until these draftees come to camp. Then ,after the season, we will have the hype again on the draft, disagreements who should have been picked and we grade the draft again through the immediate personal prisms. Ain't the beer cold.

So you pass up the best linebacker in the because he will sit for a season an rehab. But you draft a kick returner that wont play for 2-4 years because he will be away at sea.

Ever try getting travel insurance if you have a pre-existing condition? Jack had a big time pre-existing condition( by his own admission. Reynolds not so much. Oh, ever hear of R. Staubach?

  8 hours ago, raveninct said:

I don't know a thing about Correa and Kaufusi, and we can't assume anything about how good or bad they'll be in the NFL. I still trust Ozzie & Co. For everyone who wanted Spence, there was never any chance of Ozzie taking him. Just today on this site, there was a quote from Harbaugh about (paraphrased) 'the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior'. So I don't think the Ravens ever seriously considered Spence. And taking guys like Jack w/ injury concerns was also a non-starter after their experience w/ Perriman. Can you imagine the embarassment if they took Jack and he ended up not playing? So, to focus on what we do know, my question is whether Ozzie took too little to move back. Other teams who were picking behind us seemed to get more for their picks. We moved back twice and got a 5th and a 4th rounder, and the 5th rounder was for our 36th position. The teams behind us who traded down got 2 picks, I think. I know one team got a 4th rounder plus a 2017 pick. So I feel like Ozzie left a little bit on the table. I could be wrong. Curious what you all think.

Agreed. If Jacksonville really wanted Jack that badly, we should have gotten more from them. Same for Miami.

How do you know what was offered and what was taken? Part of the problem today is that people who have never engaged in sports negotiations seem to have all of the answers even though they are not privy to the actual negotiations.

  9 hours ago, law215 said:

I'm not saying Stanley, Correa, and Kaufusi are not good players. My expectation with the 6th overall pick was impact players. I looked at plenty of mocks, big boards. No one had Correa better than Spence. Every playoff team and contenders have a Beast. Top notch players that you scheme for if your facing them. JJ Watt, Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Gronk, Von Miller, Dez Bryant, Richard Sherman, Adrian Peterson, etc... Who do you Ravens have that would scare you if you were the other team? Our best players are over 30 years old. This draft was supposed to add one of those type players. I don't see it.

No mocks, big boards had Conklin ranked above Tunsil either.

2013: Spence suspended for failed drug tests
2014: Spence kicked out of conference for more failed drug tests.
2014: Attended Intense Outpatience Addiction treatment
2015: Arrested for Alcohol & Disorderly Conduct

That's the player you want to gamble a 2nd Round pick on especially when he gets a big pocket full of cash??

Stanley is a franchise LT. I don't know who you think the Ravens could of drafted that would be JJ Watt, Dez Bryant or Adrian Peterson (Btw, those guys have only seen the Super Bowl on TV). Buckner? Please - Correa had more sacks than him in college. Shaq Lawson? Stanley dominated him in college. Jack is going to need another major knee surgery soon and he's yet to even take a hit from an NFL player. Sure his game tape BEFORE his knee injury looks good but is he even the same player now?

Frankly, I find it difficult with commenters like you who insist on using facts to support their views. What is this world coming to? ( Actually , enjoyed your post- good job)

7 hours ago, reed20fence said:

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

Actually, according to this morning's Sun paper, the Ravens tried to trade up with Dallas to get J. Ramsey but were rejected because J. Jones thought that the R's were going to take Elliott --confirmed by Ravens and Cowboys. It takes two to tango.

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Taking Jack this high is pure gambling. When the player himself admits that he may need a microfracture surgery and that he may play for no more than 3 years - it's an issue... and a huge one at that.

I agree. The player , being honest, levels about his physical condition. I take him at his word. If I apply for an life insurance policy, wonder what the insurance co. requires for one to buy a policy at a reasonable cost? Why shouldn't professional sports teams do the same?

1 hour ago, mc_red23 said:

It's a guarantee we will, even if it's just for the next few years.

I guess there were also guarantees associated with guys like Downey and RGlll. I always wonder what is the cost is when a fan " guarantees something.

Next year-- scene1-- Ravens fans " I'm glad we took Jack, he's playing great"
scene 2 -" why did we take Jack, didn't we learn a lesson with Perriman?"
I believe its called second guessing of Monday Morning QB but hey, that's what fans do. We make mind bets since the only thing that you can lose is your mind.Like, I would never have taken J. Downey or RGlll. I would have taken Brady in the 6th round though.

47 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

People hype up every pick regardless of who it is. If we take Spence people will compare him to any number of fantastic pass rushers - people around here have already kicked around a certain pass rusher from Denver - I never compared Alexander to anyone or said he'd be as good as insert-player-here, the fact that some people like one player isn't a knock on him, this Elam comparison is just a bad one. The "purple cool-aid" applies to all players, it's not fair to only apply it to the players that you don't personally like but you buy into it when it's a prospect that you do like. I'm not a big fan of Spence but I wouldn't say people are just buying empty hype, people watch what they watch and make a judgement. Have you ever seen any interview of his? competitiveness comes on a spectrum and isn't "either you have it or you don't" and Alexander has confidence in spades and his work ethic and studiousness show big time. He an extremely smart player and is always prepared. 5'10" is more than tall enough to be successful at CB, people get way too caught up in physical height when it's nowhere near as important as how you use it. The tired analogy is Steve Smith, he's short but he plays so much taller - as does Alexander, who is smart enough and athletic enough to make up for his lack of height. And let's not even start with the "some 'experts'" talk, I can literally find you an "expert" that'll assert any number of opinion on any given player.

Bottom line-- You do not get to that level without a  tremendous competitive spirit. Also, my point is that most don't know what they are talking about when it comes to the draft because they are simply repeating whatever is said and repeating rumors about prospects. I really don't care who the Raven select because they are the pros who watch and evaluate talent.  BTW how do you know that he is " an extremely smart player"?  How  do you know that his athleticism will make up for his stature? You don't. Also, the size analogy, there are exceptions to any rule but by and large size , speed, stamina etc, matters in the NFL.

3 minutes ago, beanfigger said:"

What does purple kool-aid have to do with Alexander at the moment? He's currently not on our team.

There you go again-- making a good point. My comment was not directed at the selection of Alexander but the hype surrounding the selection of these players and the fact that no one really knows how they will turn out. Mike Preston on Ed Reed "Ed Reed will probably become a good player because the Ravens have a pretty impressive draft record. The selection of Ed Reed allows them to move Gary Baxter, a second-year player drafted in the second round, from safety to starting cornerback even though Baxter is slow coming out of his backpedal."

32 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

Alexander is nothing like Elam, that's just ridiculous. You can't say two players are the same because they have similar height, weight, and speed. Their skill sets are entirely different and play completely different positions. they aren't the same size at all and Mackensie is fantastic in coverage - and isn't known as a hard hitter at all. You pulled that comparison out of left field...It's quite easy to compare Noah Spence who's 6'2" 250 to any bust ILB, many ILBs have that same size and comparable speed, must mean they're the same! - see how ridiculous that is?

You are correct in your analysis of my comment. Actually, if we adhered to what I posted then we wouldn't need to draft anyone, However, many " experts" are not sure as to what he brings to the table. A " highly competitive" player-- how exactly does one make it to the NFL without that quality? Alexander's is 5' 10" thought to lack size but appears to have good coverage skills. My point ( poorly made) was that each year we drink the purple cool-aid because it's that time of year. Oh, here is a typical reaction when the Ravens drafted Elem.  "I'm not quite sure what their referencing to when they say, "he lacks urgency to his game". I watched every Florida game last year and this guy is a stud. Granted I didn't watch the "tape" on just him alone, but he is and will be big time. I know people may scorn me for this, but I think he has Ed Reed potential and intangibles. Whoever drafts him will be quite pleased with their pick."-- 

1 minute ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

I can't tell if you're being serious or not...

Absolutely. I am tired of hearing how great this guy is over another. Why is he better than others that we already have? Go for Spence not Alexander, IMO.

52 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

Supreme competitor and successfully shut down Will Fuller and Sterling Shepard in college - as well as every other receiver he went toe to toe with. He doesn't have big numbers because QBs knew better than to try throwing it to his side of the field. His potential is through the roof.

He is a CB and Elam is a safety but both are the same size, speed, hard hitting, and no int's. Don't believe we need another Elam.

6 hours ago, TurkishRaven said:

Stanley pick is looking even better with all these defensive talents on the board. 

Personally I want a CB so either Alexander or Fuller. I think fuller is a bigger playmaker than Alexander.

Why Alexander?

Miles Jack's statement is would make me pass on him.

I do not believe that any of the draft prognosticators have looked at the possible draftees as much as the Raven. Everyone has an opinion but few have the facts about these players. Smoke screens always seem to appear about character issues, desire to play, toughness, and whatever else commentators conjure up or simply repeat what others have said. I am sure that the Ravens have done their homework for this draft.

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Haha it's cool. Thought a more recent article might have been published and it was true. Had me scared for a second. He's my favorite prospect after Tunsil and Ramsey. 

I remember when Elway said that he wouldn't play for the Colts ( I was a season ticket holder in 1958 and years following. Never liked Elway or Denver since--long memory. I'm glad that I didn't say what I was feeling. Whew! I agree with you on your choices. Thanks.

15 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

It was

I am hanging my head for being so gullible although I am still laughing at myself.

20 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Wasn't that an April Fool's joke?

Heavens, you might be correct. I did not check the date on the article. I just did--you are right! I feel like a real dummy. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I am still laughing. No fool like an old fool.

My guess is Ramsey but not Bosa since SB Nation has reported that he will hold if drafted by the Ravens.

All Aiken does is make difficult catches, plays tough, and never complains. He deserves it and will be even better this year.

This is a good schedule compared to last year with the West Coast games. The NFL isn't Pop Warner--all teams are tough. The Ravens W's & L's will be determined, among other things, by injuries as in the past--same for their opponents. Want to be a champ? Go beat the other guy , whoever and where ever you play. End of story. Looking forward to this season since this is the " wait until next time".

I don't know anything about the draft choices being touted as being in the top 10. What I do know is that the draft is usually a toss of the dice. Also, what is the track record of the draft gurus that are most frequently cited? I remember Walter Football's prediction about Mosely was overrated and he gave the Ravens a poor overall draft grade. We'll see.