Minionhunter

4 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Yep, Dallas is an example of how much an Oline can do for the overall offense. Elliot has 700+ rushing yards. Anyone who thinks it's all just him is crazy. I'd like to see them play Romo...just to see how much is Dak and how much is simply a 'good offense'.

Ravenshine, I thought you were Dorota for a minute, this seems like something she would point out, but you hit the mark on the head. It's the O-Line! We were playing all backups, a rookie at LT (out of position, too) except for the starting Center who was the weakest link on the line when it was all starters. How anyone can think that Joe should be amazing behind that line would be crazy! Did Harbs praise the line, yep and he should have because they did a great job for it being a makeshift unit.

The average lack of thought behind some of the comments and analysis is baffling to me. Yes, it sucks we are loosing, especially since we are in every game until the last minute, literally. However that is the amazing thing how well we are doing this year in-spite of all the problems, the exact opposite take of what most are saying, which is how awful we are doing since we should "just be winning" because we are the Ravens because you know "Pixies" or "magic" or something.

Trestman is gone now and that was needed, now we have to get rid of Pees, but with Suggs gone, Leslie can take the end of year heat and survive or we can find someone better if he goes too, Pees must go. Putting one backup corner on OBJ and not double teaming him after the first TD is a fire-able offense. So was keeping Lewis over Brooks. Pees is now in a bend then break defense, I don't care what the stats say. The only reason he looks good is because of Weddle and arguably Leslie teaching the new guys on defense how to intercept balls.

Harbs gets one more year without that idiot who was the only Patriots DC under Belichick to be "mutually, let go" instead of going on to become a head coach somewhere else. He destroyed the NE defense, he destroyed the Baltimore defense and needs to be fired.

Just now, bioLarzen said:

Well, if things go on the way they've been, they won't pick ahead of us the next time

Lol. Well said. I would prefer if we don't make the tournament, that we loose out the rest of the season and don't get anyone else hurt.

Dallas was my surrogate team when the Colts were stolen. Because, copulate the Redskins and my blowhard childhood neighbors.

Just now, bioLarzen said:

One more notion: maybe Harbaugh should take a deep look into how good QB-WR couples keep torching their opponents - us, for example... Manning to Beckham... Dalton to Green... Stafford to Megatron... Romo to Bryant... Ryan to Julio Jones...

If you've got a QB who can toss the ball accurately enough downfield and a wR who's grown to him, and can keep both on the field, it's half the success. When we had it (McNair then Flacco to Mason, the Flacco to Boldin and Torreey Smith), we were successful. Without it, we are not...

That is a good point, Flacco said that he wanted to keep his playmakers on the field instead of using eveyrone like Trestman was trying to do. You have to give your guys the chance to get hot. I have a feeling that Perriman will get hot once he has his first big game, but they have to keep throwing to him for that to happen.

Remember Gary, he only went to the backups in the last part of games where the primary targets either were not producing or the game was already decided. Other than that, it was going to the same guys over and over again with confusion on the looks he showed.

Everyone saying how great Dak Prescott looks, tell me, which team has the best O-line in the NFL? If it is not Dallas, they are either #2 or #3.

Remember when they picked Zack Martin just before we were going to pick him. They always seem to pick just before us and take the player we need the most. This year we picked so high it didn't really matter, but still we could have Elliot. Screw Ramsey.

1 minute ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Getting tired of people blaming everyone but Joe! Why is it Mallet beat the squeelers at their peak and Joe is barely getting past teams with starters? ! I got people here in Cleveland that will tell you how much I liked Joe but he isn't cutting it anymore and if the knee brace is holding him back then Ryan Mallet needs to start! People scared it will be the same situation like in Dallas if you ask me! YUP they scared Mallet will win like he did at the end of a bad season lifting our spirits with that win and Sweeping the squeelers! I guess some of you think that was a fluke though! Holding Mallet back like they did Tyrod when he should have started against the pats when Joe's leg was wrapped up and a sitting duck!
Shut me up Joe win Sunday because I'm not giving up on my Squad! LETS GO!

Mallet beat the Steelers because they got over confident and were shell shocked when he was throwing it. They had no game plan for it because he was so new to the team, and everyone spent an enormous amount of time helping him get ready that week. Mallet has a million dollar arm and a 50 cent head.

2 minutes ago, BigUgly said:

I think the issue with Joe has to do with him being put in the Shotgun for the majority of his snaps. Compare that with the offense under Kubiak, where he was under center far more often and was more successful. Not only did it provide the threat of a running game to open up play action and keep pass rushers honest, it allowed the Ravens to roll protection or have Joe bootleg to buy time against a pass rush. It also helped Joe's mechanics, making it less likely that he'd throw flat-footed / off of his back foot.

Against the Giants, he was under center for the first quarter and a half, then went predominantly to the shotgun after that. The results were predictable.

Yep, and he was asked to throw it 48 times! There was more running this game, and I know that the play-action passing off of a typical run formation look helped contribute to the imbalance (and I'm OK with that), but we still need to run more. Either that or we needed to keep going to play-action because it was working. The one thing the coaching doesn't seem to do is to adjust to keep throwing what works at the opposing team until they prove they can stop it. MM was a little better than MT, but he still needed to keep at it more. Dean Pees does not seem to adjust well at all, especially when his corners started dropping like flies.

6 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Joe has been so rattled by a bad line that he literally lacks confidence on the field. You can just see it. He also keeps doing his throw off the back foot garbage. In the above clip, despite a defender coming, he had two targets and a LB in coverage, toss that ball right to Pitta! Ugh

See, this is what the stats articles don't factor in. You see it in all QB, every single one of them, when they have a terrible line and they are constantly getting hit and pressured. Plus the change in OC which was needed, makes it so that only some of the playbook can be changed so they have to work with the Trestman plays which are not schemed up to have tons of stuff we need (max protection for deep routes, running plays that come out of different looks, etc...). You can't just expect MM to change everything on a dime, and redesign the entire playbook and everyone to memorize it immediately, I think at best we can hope for is increasingly new plays being inserted as we go. Its a bear of a situation to be in. Still Buffalo seems to be working it out in a good fashion, but their D is better (not just in stats, but what counts = wins).

3 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Let it be known, if we lose to the Jets, the season is over and we might as well start opening up draft 2017 talks.

If we can't make the playoffs, I would prefer we don't win again this season.

I'm sick of everyone complaining about the drafting who point out the the success of the players we have who were picked when we had high round picks (worse years) and the lack of ability when we have low round years (went far in the playoffs).

Sure, Joe has not looked good this year. However anyone blaming him is out of their mind. All these stats based articles are a great way to disprove why stats alone are terrible indicators.

It's the O-line which wasn't very good to start with (two rookies starting on the left which is INSANE) and is now in shambles, the center being the stable piece who was the worst performing member of the starting line. This leads to Joe getting hit or running for his life. No wonder his is anxious to throw, the same thing happens when Rogers or Brady or anyone does not have a good line and is getting hit constantly. Plus the new RB core is worse at protection now and is untrustworthy.

Also, Flacco has consistently delivered good balls and the receivers drop them. Perriman, Morre and Wallace are all guilty of dropping easy catches and game winning catches, mostly on buddy pass like balls. You can't win if you deliver the perfect pass on the perfectly called play and the receiver drops it.

Flacco still had the team in position and drove them down the field with a chance to win, again.

Also, he wasn't the one who called on him to throw it 48 times this past game, he can only do what he is told, which is exactly what he does.

Also, Flacco is not responsible for 200+ yards and 2 TD to OBJ with the stupid coverage that Pees dials up.

No one wants to say it but this game was lost due to injuries. 3 starting O Linemen out, our most sure handed SSS is out, on the Defense CJ Mosley out, Jimmy Smith went out (OBJ was nothing until Jimmy went down), and then two more corners were lost. Now Suggs is gone, remember last year when Suggs was lost? How did that go. We can't replace Yanda, Stanley, Suggs or Jimmy, no one on the roster can do that.

The only wonder people should be thinking is how on Earth did Joe keep us in that game until the final drive. This is what elite players do, they give you the chance to win every time, they don't guarantee it every time.

This comment thread is cancer.

You are correct, unfortunately.

  31 minutes ago, metalraven said:

  1 hour ago, PersianRaven said:

  2 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

This is a sinking ship......Harbaugh keeps shooting holes in it by gambling away precious points.
He needs a checkup from the neck up, no more taking stupid pills.

What precious points? Just because we went for it on 4th down does not mean jack! The secondary is HORRENDOUS! Plain and simple!

Completely wrong, sir. If they take the FG, guess what? Ravens only need a FG to win. They lost 27-23. They could've been down 27-26 instead, with Tucker to ice the game. But nope, Harbs makes yet ANOTHER bonehead call. I've defended him for years. Not anymore.

No, you are completely wrong. If you kick the field goal, it changes every play after that. Instead of being pinned down in their end zone and then punting (which led to a FG), the Ravens kickoff and the Giants get the ball on the 25. New set of plays. Thinking you can change 1 play without affecting any of the other plays is foolish.

Thank goodness for sanity tonight.

"The patchwork offensive line deserves kudos for the most part. Playing without anchors Marshal Yanda and Ronnie Stanley, it opened holes for West and gave Flacco enough time to throw on most plays. Oh, but those penalties."

Uhhh, you spent a lot of article space saying penalties killed us, the line had quite a few. I disagree they gave Joe time to throw on most plays. Joe was getting killed, throwing early to not get killed, or running for his life when he wasn't using play action or handing off.

You pointed out what turned the game, Jimmy getting the concussion. Then Suggs with a torn biceps or triceps sealed our fate. We have no replacement for either player unless we are going to make some unforeseen blockbuster trade...

If Suggs is out for any amount of time, I fear a repeat of last year. Especially with the bubble gum and duct tape holding both our O-line and quarterback's knee together.

  39 minutes ago, BaccaFly said:

At least this L will clear out the bandwagon fans.

Although I may criticize they still are My Team! This just helps me deal with the pain of losing.

It's fine to criticize, just have some consistency please. You just said Flacco is a coach killer but poor Marty because the line is terrible now and better when Cam was fired.

Flacco is fresh off an ACL which most quarterbacks take more than a year to get right after suffering, and he looks pretty darn good for the injury return, so much so that we forget he is still recovering from that. He has an all rookie left side of the line on his blindside then that gets traded and is in disarray and the right side is screwed up. So he looks frazzled from that and is ground down by the end of these games, to me he looks like he is playing in significant pain, but he is Joe, so he hides it well. He is getting killed unless he bootlegs on that injured knee. He gets leads consistently and then constantly has to regain them after the defense gives them right back up. He is still running Trestman's garbage offense for which Trestman was fired from Chicago for doing the exact same thing. This week now Marty is calling it until he can gradually put in his own play list.

Flacco is not the problem. This week it was injuries. Outside the O-line, Jimmy was the worst, but Suggs may be the most serious since we have zero way to replace his skill set and talent, and Doom is out indefinitely. If Suggs is out then it will be similar to last year.

I really wish we had Spence, either that or we didn't put KC through the Dean Pees cycle of overwhelming your new talent with so much out of position responsibility he can't play and is destroyed just like Elam and Brooks.

At least this L will clear out the bandwagon fans.

I wish it were true. Unfortunately they will hang around just to post negative comments.

  49 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

We didn't win the first one after Cam was fired either.

Yeah but we sure as hell had a better O-line with Cam than what poor Marty has now. Again, Flacco is the Offensive Coordinator Killer! He gets a pass and they lose their jobs cause he sucks.

Nope. Try again.

Still throwing to juice is a Trestman hangover.

Promise of what? More defeats? It was the same as the Redskins game, get an early lead, then to nothing. If this team gets more incompetent (assuming that is even possible), they will be a shoo in for a top 5 draft pick next year. Both the awful penalties called on the Giants, and the turnovers should have been enough to win the game, but, once again the abominable offense failed to produce. Just a terrible performance. Only Tucker, West, and Wallace did well The rest of them stunk to high heaven.

You could say that for Wallace too except they only called one penalty of the six or seven committed by the DBs guarding him.

wish someone would answer 1 question,how do teams like the VIKINGS and PATRIOTS win without their best players on the field,so does it make a difference to one team but not another?

Vikings have a stellar defense and a gifted OC with a number 1 overall pick at QB. Patriots have a stable offensive system, and they cheat.

We didn't win the first one after Cam was fired either.

  2 hours ago, gr2522 said:

wasn't he a part of Trestman's team? Did he not have the opportunity to contribute his two cents into game plans and general offensive direction, did he do so?

Mornhinweg came over from the Jets, and Trestman from the Bears and they never worked together. Mornhinweg and Harbaugh coached together while on the Eagles staff. In the end the game plan and offensive direction was directed by Trestman. Remember, the OC is the second level of the coaching staff, and a QB coach falls below the OC. The one person who should be held accountable for the OC is Harbaugh adding his two cents into game plans and adding input in the general offensive direction of his team.

The bolded statement is incorrect. Mornhinweg and Trestman were together in San Fran.

Mornhinweg followed Trestman as OC in SF.

  52 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Has Hardbaugh been asked or answered any questions about that fake field goal. Specifically the fact that he had Justin line up as if he was going to kick it with his left foot which really was a dead give away. There are not many left footed kickers in this league and I can guarantee that when a team is facing a left footed kicker everyone on the field goal unit knows it. Its not like it is a huge difference but there are minor changes players on the FG cover unit make when facing a left footed kicker. So it would be difficult to come to the conclusion that the way Tucker lined up would go unnoticed. Has Harbaugh explained why he thought this was a good idea? I mean I think the Trestman move was long overdue, but two questionable decisions by John over these last two weeks have really hurt this team. I am not saying that he should belfried but, he needs to be accountable. I know he said he didn't regret the play call, but I am interested in his decision making process in the design of that play. Thats all. Has he been asked about that or answered that question?

Well, if it had worked, everyone would be praising the play, it just didn't work out..... I personally have no problem with trying a few potential "trick plays", sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but I would also prefer we have more points on the board when trying these types of plays ??

I'm with you. I like the aggressiveness of Harbaugh. I love it really, more coaches need to do it. I also am with you on that I don't think it was the time, however I'm not the one watching my OC abandon the only thing that was working on offense. He may have been thinking he needed to do something to spark the team and the fake field goal was it. The Skins said they didn't notice tucker lined up left, so he might have caught them sleeping too. Also it was nearly executed to give us the TD, just slightly under thrown. The defender had it hit him in the back of the helmet, it wasn't like he was playing it perfectly.

The bigger question IMHO was what was going on right before the half?

I hope that Mornhinweg can help find our "invisible man", Kamar Aiken. He had a decent season last year, and I was hoping he could use it as a launchpad to better things this year, but instead seems to have dropped entirely off the radar. Not sure how many snaps he has played, but I know he hasn't been targeted very much. Curious wether it is more Trestman under utilizing him, Joe not looking for him or if he simply can't break out of coverage.

Wondering if the Jets actually like Butler, or just want to pick his brain for info on the Raven's...

And I agree with the Bleacher Report: What is going on with our special teams? Harb's has got to be pulling his hair out. Our traditional strength under Harb's reign looks like a disaster, and unfortunately it's not just one player, but guys all across the board seem to have forgotten how to play special teams.

The Jets likely see Butler as an opportunity (desperate or not) because they need a possession receiver now that Decker is getting surgery to end his season.

OTOH The Bucs just didn't want the Ravens to pick up Butler so they called him up last week and then cut him again. I said this last week, petty moves rarely benefit a team, just look at the Browns and T. West....

Two weeks in a row now the team playing us has been awarded special teams player of the week.

  18 minutes ago, griffrb said:

Now the season begins! I don't expect to see a new offense, just a more defined commitment to the running and deep passing game. The oline must get healthy and in it's current state its easier to run downhill than pass protect. Flacco's mechanics suck and he's got rabbit ears now. WRs need to gain separation and make catches. Special teams have been acting very special lately. I'm giving the defense cudos! They're handling there business and I'm not mad at Mosley's fumble - He's making plays. Let's see how the next two weeks go! Go Ravens!

Flaccos mechanics is one thing Kubiak really stressed...FOOTWORK. It seems Trestman got completely away from that and was stressing more quick release. Flacco needs to get back to working on his footwork. Its not the whole answer but it would make him more accurate.

I thought I was the only one who noticed this Sami. Excellent point. Gary and Rick hammered(!) how footwork connects to both reads and throwing. Testman lost that immediately on arrival last year and never fixed it. I hope they fix it now.