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Both Joe and John would not address the possibility that Crockett was injured in post game press conferences.

Also in that interview Kraft either said himself or commented favorably when someone 98.5 wonk said that they wondered what the Ravens would be left to complain about now. Patriots = Proven liars and cheaters.

Of Patriots deny and subvert tactics (thanks South Park), this was baby Kraft's attempt at subversion. If anyone has been trapped in a car and forced to listen to him he sounds like someone taking Thorazine and is unable to rub two words together. Usually he is so politically correct this aberration should not just be called a shot at Harbaugh and the Ravens, it should be viewed as more of a plain old low down groin kick. That lying cheating franchise wants everyone to take their word for things but don't want to believe anyone else. The exact opposite of what Biscotti called an honorable franchise.

reed20fence's post sounded like Steve Smith Sr.'s press conference.

Ohhhhh, So that's who is orchestrating the weird calls against the Ravens. OK, makes sense now.

The media line has been that Joe wasn't sacked and the pocket was there, and it was much better than Week 1, but boy was it close a lot on Sunday. I think Joe needs another 1/2 second to get cleaner throws off this week. Others have mentioned this, but I think we need a reminder, Joe needs better protection. The media may not be pushing this story line to keep the idea out of the head that the line in week 2 was still not where it was in protecting Joe last year. I'm hopeful it will gel a little more on Sunday.

I think Waller will be a force once he gets a catch. He was targeted twice and on the TD try it was a little wonky (I can't remember if the corner mugged him, or the ball was a bit off, or too far out of bounds for an easy peasy catch) (I don't remember the other target from Sunday, and am taking the word of the article writer there was another target). He looks like he needs a confidence booster catch and then targets IMHO. He is so big that the other teams players look a bit out of place next to him. I'm praying for you big guy, I hope Trestman finds some plays for you on Sunday. He could be a force if developed properly, but the hard reality is he needs development (his raw talent is obvious). I hope he is taking every chance he gets to get advice from SSS while he has the opportunity. It seems like SSS has been mentoring the receiving corps from his various comments.

It could have been a lot worse, we could have lost players to injury. Week two we loose another close one.

Pros:

1. Flacco looked pretty good, some issues, but pretty good and was driving pretty much at will until the end. Trestman got the offense going.

2. Jimmy looked good, sure he got burnt the first pass, but even the best corners have a hiccup.

3. Will Hill looked good.

4. Forsett looks pretty good.

5. Gillmore showed what everyone in Baltimore knew already.

6. Trestman got the offense humming, 33 should be enough to win a game. They looked hungy until the last part of the last drive.

7. The O-line kept Joe upright, still some issues, but for the most part, looked much better.

Cons:

1. Last drive (not the int. one, but the one to win it) was terrible. Either Flacco or Trestman needs to tell Joe to take all but 2-3 sec. off the clock snapping the ball when trying to kill the clock, he still had 15-17 left on at least a few snaps.

2. Not running out the clock, throwing sideline passes instead of running. The national announcer had this pegged.

3. Flacco is a little off on some passes. I think this was part due to the last game where he was getting killed, he didn't get to really get going last week and knock off real game rust, and part due to some residual line issues this game. He will get it sorted.

4. Webb looks like his injury history suggests he should look.

5. The defensive game plan looked weird, like half bend don't break, half agressive and it just plain failed. It didn't look like a Ravens D, needs more hard crushing hits. At least they tackled pretty well.

They can turn it around, but it better be this week, otherwise no losses in you last 11-12 games seems outrageous to ask.

I'm still with you Ravens, but lets right the ship quickly.

Very True. If you look, almost every throw was not only rushed but thrown off his back foot while still backing up. He literally had no time to throw.

I've said it before this was Gary vs Gary.  They knew exactly where Joe would be going at exactly which times because of the coordination of the footwork.  So Broncos or Ravens vs Texans Falcons or each other will be problematic for birth teams. 

Welcome To the Ravens Jason! Good hunting!

I disagree Sami, I think both were good throws. Torrey have up on the throw in the playoff game because he was banged up from early in the game and he made only a token attempt to stop the defender from catching it. Gillmore here had the ball and it was to the right place (though it could have been a foot deeper), but he let it get taken from him. He is young and that is why people keep noting the youth of our tight ends despite the fact they are good. Gillmore will learn from that. Those throws are not on Joe though he will take the blame like a good leader does.

1. Moss is old and can't play anymore. We saw that YEARS ago. No point in discussing something that isn't going to happen.

 

2. I don't see what value Pryor brings to the team. He can't make the 53 man on teams with worse talent offensive than us, and I don't see any scenario where he's active on gameday.

 

Don't think its realistic to consider either as an option, and there's no indication the Ravens are looking at either of these guys. We've known we wouldn't have a deep-threat WR for many weeks now, and we didn't address it then. Don't really see what changed to make us what to address it now.

It is more the gaming the other team and making them waste energy on things. Joe is amazing and can throw. If we had Moss I think that other teams would have to game plan for him.  Same with Pryor plus both have size. Even if we never used them. The last slot on the 53 is a rotating spot. Rotating a tall burner in on game day would make teams wary until Perriman comes back. 

I am of the opinion that few other teams can do to us what Denver did on Sunday , they may try but they won't get it done. The Texans did it last year, Denver this year. I think our line will be fine, especially with a speed threat, key word threat. 

I also am off the opinion that Bobby has done a great job shaking up this WR corps, but may be having trouble coaching up the separation techniques or whatever. I would like to see a little more outside the box gamesmanship regarding the WR position and I think brining in or at least threatening to bring in a known or perceived threat plays that. Gary I think did that for us last year keeping 7 and we got Kamar out of it. We didn't get Diggs this year (Boyle there?) maybe we could trade MN for him with some of these extra picks a round higher for MN for next year. Just something to shake things up a little. But maybe Perriman will be back earlier (and he is staying off twitter unlike Taliaferro). But I am of the opinion that he is likely 'just' healed around now at 6 weeks and will be ready at 8 weeks (6-8 for PCL sprain). 

I really like your perspectives rcmcjacket23 

The falcons picked up Jake Long. The two guys I would like to see the Ravens workout are Pryor and Moss. They were both working out with Antonio Brown this summer and all involved seemed to think everyone was good enough to play at a high level. I just would like to see some outside the box thinking about WR at least until Perriman is back. It just seems like we have no deep threat right now. Moss or Pryor would provide that. I think we are ok on defense.

757 is correct - see footballzebras.com for the rules talk the insider reporters all look at. They were the first to point out that kickers were protected players during the entire play of a kick and the steelers were really awful when they broke Cincinnati's kickers jaw by illegally hitting him in the head (and they were improperly not penalized for it). Some reporter at a big network mentioned them, After hearing that I have been reading their work ever since. They also tell who the refs will be for the upcoming games so you know if you will get Jerome Boger'ed or Clete Blakeman'ed in addition to rule analysis. One of the still useful, low key, neutral sites. Think about it it is referee and rules analysis.

Did Harbaugh just call out Trestman for not adapting fast enough? I remember that lay year first game Gary threw every wide receiver in the game to see who could make a play but I don't remember seeing Waller in there yesterday.

Didn't Crockett play that position in college? I'm not suggesting anything crazy but I thought I remembered that for some reason. I would rather see them bring in Randy Moss for a workout while Perriman is recovering. Even if he wasn't himself he would still make other defenses freak out and game plan for him. Plus he could mentor Perriman and our qb and locker room is strong enough to handel him.

I still don't think we, either side, can take a lot from that game other than if you run Gary's offense you can defend it if you havea ggreat defense. What we can take is that Pees made good half time adjustments. Trestman is still working with this offense and either he or Harbaugh was slow to abandon the initial game plan. Either they didn't have anything new or creative planned or all the new stuff was based on giving Joe time in the pocket and Kubiak knew when the timing for that was likely to come (it was his offense). They will get it figured out.

Please at least bring in Randy Moss for a workout. Please Ozzie.

Yes Trestman needed to adapt quicker, but I'm taking this game as our one flier this year. Gary knows Gary andtTrestman trying to be Gary was not going to work well since their D practices vs him every day,just like the Texans last year. Plus no Torrey /Perriman. The next game will be a better test of what we can do without Perriman since they don't use Gary's system. Perriman should be back around week three and in sync by week five. I would suggest not freaking out after this game. Yes we lost, let's wait at least a week before before jumping.

This looks like the Texans game last year. Also just like in the playoff game with NE they screwed us on the TV timeout. They didn't take one after Denver scored off the interception and before they kicked off. That was done intentionally to keep us off balance. Kraft and the Patriots keep an enemies list and he controls the TV contracts, this has been a thing with us for a long time it used to be just not showing replays in a timely manner so we couldn't make good challenges. The new thing is either destroying Momentum by TV timeouts or power outage al la the superbowl OR keeping opposing momentum by not giving us the standard momentum by taking the standard TV timeout after a score. There are no rules against it so whoever controls the networks will have a crazy good advantage of they choose to take it and we all know the Patriots will do anything if it doesn't say that you can't do it in writing.

Ravens evermore and mod3 - when I saw Kraft holding that trophy up center field I thought for a second - no joke - that God might send that meteor or lightning strike. Then I prayed he wouldn't because it wasn't worth it. Mark Cuban will be proved right soon enough.

I'm done with the headset thing and most Patriots cheating. The fans up here suffer from Stockholm syndrome so badly they pick and choose when to believe the NFL or not. Let's just hope everyone lines up and bully them out of the playoffs this year. I know Rex will do it next week. No excuses just kick the Patriots teeth in on the field.

Oh I totally forgot, that superbowl electrical problem, they found that nothing happened there either. Just the power to a stadium can go out for no reason, nothing happened. Believe the NFL, they are completely trustworthy.

Nothing to see here please ignore the man pulling the levers. Move along, move along.

According To ESPN now the NFL just completely exonerated the Patriots who they believe had nothing to do with the radio problems which were strictly electrical. Just like spygate they issued a snap judgement immediately without any significant investigation. Because the NFL is so believable.