Minionhunter

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Yes bring Jim Zorn back If they didn't get Rick to be OC, I think this would be the best move they could make. But that personality conflict thing again, not what is best for Joe [get Zorn], but they won't get him again to limit personality conflict with other coaches.

Don't forget the Ravens did draft a LT #1 and a LG/LT #4. Plus drafted a WR #1 the year before. They are trying, ya have to give them credit for that. If it wasn't for injuries to the OL it would have been pretty good. And the penalties Sami, and the penalties.... The drive killing penalties wiping out first down after first down and huge gains. Offensive holding again. I wanted to rip my eyeballs out in nearly every single game because of the penalties on the O line. Also, Dennis Pitta turning into a matador's cape every time he was called to block someone. Someone called him an atrocious blocker, I say that gives a bad name to every atrocious blocker who is actually trying to block (like Zuttah) but is constantly beaten. Dennis looked like he literally just said, "Nah, you just run on by me and deck Joe this time, I'll dodge out of your way so I won't hinder you in any way of getting a bone crushing sack." Our Probowl center - lol. Didn't we send Sharece Wright to the probowl as a corner? - whoever said that the probowl is for everyone who likes participation trophies was spot on. Kicker, longsnapper, punter, fullback - guys who have the lowest paying but most essential jobs on the team - AND young talent (going for the first time) - they tend to be the honest and deserving awarded/attendees at the probowl. IMHO

Well he's certainly a lot better than he was in, say, 08-10, but I don't think he's that much better than he was, say, 4-5 years ago. But then again, I'm not sure there's many QBs that doesn't apply to either. I don't think Drew Brees is really any better than he was, say, 8 years ago. Aaron Rodgers doesn't look any better to me this year than he did in like 2011. In fact, some QBs even become worse. I think QBs take an obvious leap in that 3rd-5th year range, and then every year afterwards they ideally just become a little bit better. And that is with a consistent offensive system. Joe has had none. When was he at his best? When he was at the end of Cam's system just Caldwell calling it. Even SSS said he was confused on plays because the terms were all screwed up and that was just his route, think about the QB's head on the 5th system in 5 years....

It's great when an argument includes how stupid everyone that doesn't agree with you is 😀 But I will throw you a bone to make your case. Please go ahead and name 15-20 teams that would trade their starting QB for the 23rd best QB in Flacco. I can see about 5 or 6. Keep in mind that they will be taking him with his 3rd highest salary in the league. A number people keep saying will be dwarfed every year by new higher contracts but I'm not seeing it actually happen. It is starting to happen now, but will accelerate through the end of his contract. The assumption is that the salary cap will continue to increase (not accelerate, but just the steady predicted increases). It will take off when Carr, Mariota and Winston need to be redone.

Ravens were ranked #15 in the league in dropped passes. Right in the middle. Every team has dropped passes. You are making the point. Ravens #15 in dropped passes, 8-8 record. Go Figure.

"But I enjoy carving out my own path and not listening to what people say I can and I can't do." - John Urshel Yep, spoken like a true research scientist. He is headed for academia when all is said and done. Bet. Please note, I say that without even a hint of sarcasm, it is just the way with many (but not all) academic researchers I know.

Even with Julio being a stud, it cripple their development. Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez - how does that team not win more than 1 play-off game in 8 years with those guys in their prime? You're memory is fading.....Shanahan signed with the Falcons on Jan 18. On Jan 11th, the day after our play-off loss to the Pats, Kubiak said he was staying in Baltimore. The Broncos asked to interview Kubiak on Jan 15 and Kubiak left on Jan 18th. We couldn't have had Shanahan. And Shanahan's offense was horrible last year even with Julio. Let's see how good the 49ers are next year with him at the helm.... Thank you very much for posting the timeline. I knew there were technically like 2 days in there (you correctly point out 3), but even if we knew the 11th Gary was gone, we still had no shot at Kyle, the Falcons had already all but locked him up and were working on the contract details.

Amen. Center, which was a huge strength when Birk was here, has been a weakness since he retired. I, Big time, wanted us to get Mack. I am fast losing faith with "In Ozzie we trust". In fact, I think that I, actually, Have lost faith with it. Just too many high round draft choice misses. That, and what I've come to believe is his failed strategy of hoarding mid round draft choices. I've come to believe that he has to move to a quality verses quantity philosophy in the draft, but with his all too often whiffs in those early rounds, I'm not so sure that he can be successful with that either. I am Not a Flacco basher but, after watching Matt Ryan, I've come to believe that Ozzie should have listened to Bisciotti and moved up for Ryan instead of insisting that Flacco was the right guy for us. After years of denying it, I'm now at the point where I believe that Ryan is the better QB of the two. But yeah, I still remember his agent saying that we could lock up a probowl center who will be healthy and dominant in the prime of his career. Then this year watched as teams like the Falcons and Patriots just outright robbed first round talent from Cleveland for nothing or next to nothing. Huh, which teams are in the super bowl? I'm saying it now as a joke because I'm just noticing it as I write this, but look who took Cleveland's castoffs and notice when they are playing. I wish there were a few more chances to rob them. It is why their moneyball approach in the NFL won't work, you can't replace elite first round talent with a bunch of low round picks, and especially not immediately without a good development program.

Amen. Center, which was a huge strength when Birk was here, has been a weakness since he retired. I, Big time, wanted us to get Mack. I am fast losing faith with "In Ozzie we trust". In fact, I think that I, actually, Have lost faith with it. Just too many high round draft choice misses. That, and what I've come to believe is his failed strategy of hoarding mid round draft choices. I've come to believe that he has to move to a quality verses quantity philosophy in the draft, but with his all too often whiffs in those early rounds, I'm not so sure that he can be successful with that either. I am Not a Flacco basher but, after watching Matt Ryan, I've come to believe that Ozzie should have listened to Bisciotti and moved up for Ryan instead of insisting that Flacco was the right guy for us. After years of denying it, I'm now at the point where I believe that Ryan is the better QB of the two. Matt Ryan plays in a dome with elite WR and TE his whole carrear and only now is he getting to the superbowl. Do you really think he could have done that in Baltimore with the WR cast that Joe has had? How many drops in the endzone can you count in playoff games that cost us trips to the super bowl? Think Ryan is who he is without Julio Jones, Roddy White, and that amazing TE who retired that I can't remember his name now? How does Ryan do in the cold and the wind? Meh, dome team QB with crazy WR/TE talent, plus a great OC and OL. So many people discount how much a factor the OL is when judging the QB. Lets chat again next year after we look at the Ravens OL when they are not being crippled by Castillo. Those stats are all the proof needed that his dismissal this year was long overdue.

What people should be debating is if we should have gone after Alex Mack when his agent was pushing us to do so. Either the first time when he stayed (Browns kept him on matched offer) or the second time.

yes, especially that last paragraph. When will people stop this nonsense with Shanahan replacing Gary. Kyle was already hired by Atlanta by the time Gary informed John he was leaving. There was no way we could have gotten Kyle. Anyone spouting this is revisionist history. Yes, it would have been great to get him, but we didn't have a shot due to the timing of Gary leaving and Elway blindsiding John and the Ravens. We could have and should have gotten someone other than Trestman, but we didn't have a shot at Kyle.

NFL parity in the regular season, only the most profitable franchises are allowed into the super bowl. The Ravens were an anomaly.

Hester has said he blamed injuries for his caprophagic performance with us, but I still remember him saying he was fine and finally healthy when he got here. He was like shaq with the celtics, just stealing.

Church! That is actually my main issue with Flacco. Money vs performance. If he was to make even 2mil less per season (avg between 20-21M per season) I wouldn't be all up in his grill. Somehow I think you would still be all up in high s grill. Anyone who blames Joe for his contract should remember that he was ready to take 15 million per year and the Ravens were hung up over 1 million dollars so they, Ravens management, are the ones you should direct that anger towards.