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1 hour ago, Sizzlebshu said:

and of that we get 2.1.

Unless you expected Monroe to play out his contract, he was likely to be released next year anyway, which means the $4.4M was going to count in 2017 either way.

Once they drafted Stanley, this move was inevitable.

Bottom line:  They weren't going to pay $6.5M in cash to an unreliable player to sit on the bench.  No team would.

They had $6.3M in Cap space prior to this, which is enough for minimum salary moves and to carry into the season, but would not likely leave much of a carryover.  Now, they can look to extend Williams/Wagner - both of whose Cap numbers will increase with an extension - and carry over the rest. 

2 minutes ago, Davesta said:

So a 2 year deal? 

Pretty much.  Not too painful to get out from under after the 2 years.

7 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Ain't trying to be a negative nancy, but price  seems kinda high to me

I agree, but let's see the final details first.  Very often the first reported numbers are the max deal (after incentives/escalators) and not the base deal. 

I would expect (hope) that it's structured as a 1-yr "prove it" deal that allows them to get out pretty easily if he fails to perform in 2016.

3 hours ago, The Raven said:

Then I recommend actually following Zrebiec's Twitter, because he explained what that cap savings would be. Not his fault some website quoted half of what he said.

This. Zrebiec's tweets and the articles in The Sun have been correct.  It was Rotoworld that took poor license to what he actually reported.

Full details of Weddle's deal:

On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 8:41 AM, Jaybirds said:

True, it's possible that many of them don't do well and he does.  Right now, it looks like he's going be somewhere around the 9th to 11th largest contract.  So that's a lot of what-ifs for things to break our way.  I'm not sure we adjust our entire postseason plan around him being a 3rd and not a 4th. 

On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 1:27 PM, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah but some of the large contracts may cancel out as teams sign other teams' free agents. We'll have a better idea of KO spot when the free agency dust settles some. 

Right now, there are only 4 FA deals bigger than KO's and I'd think it's pretty unlikely that any other larger deals come along at this point, so I'd think that we're pretty safe with a 3rd for KO. 

Schaub should qualify, along he won't likely be amongst the top 32, but that's enough to cancel the signing of Watson.  Obviously, if Upshaw signs elsewhere, he'd be more likely to be the one to cancel Watson.  At that point, Schaub would likely fall below 32, but still leave us with the 3rd for KO.

1 hour ago, Ravens4Real said:

As already brought up, only three 3rd rounders are given. KO is looking like a 4th rounder because of other players receiving higher APY.

Sorry, but that is incorrect.  There's no limit on the number of comp picks given per round.  Some years there are more for any given round, some years less.  It all depends on the value of the contracts given out in that given year and where those contracts fall within the scale (which goes up every year) for where the cut offs fall.

On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 0:34 AM, MTRavensFan said:

Thanks, really good information to have.

Also, to further follow up on this, all of the big FA contracts are now done, so there aren't going to be anymore contracts with huge apy's that could push KO's 3rd round comp down.  Obviously, when it comes to the Comp pick rules, you never say never, but in this case, I'd think the 3rd rounder for KO is pretty safe, assuming we don't sign any other UFAs (or 2 if Upshaw signs somewhere else - assuming that Schaub, no financial terms yet, qualifies).

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

NFLPA has us at $12.5 million in cap space. Brace yourselves, something is coming.

That's bit off because they don't have all the Ravens moves included yet  -  still have Canty included, Watson not included, as he just signed contract today.

Should be around $11M under at this point.

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't like all these restructures. Getting flashbacks of the Pittsburgh Steelers from a few years ago. 

I share this thought and am a bit surprised by a 2nd restructure, since they've said for years that they will not do so, but perhaps this explains it a little:

Charley Casserly ‏@CharleyCasserly 1h1 hour ago Los Angeles, CA A GM told me one of the reasons we are seeing big money deals is because teams believe there will be a spike in Cap next year.@nflnetwork

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Will KO qualify for a 3rd, though?  Osweiler, Vernon, Jenkins, and Jackson all with higher base deals.  Still some big names to fall, as well.

Yes, while there is a lot of serious $$ being thrown around, he seems to be pretty solidly in the 3rd round category and there's no limit on the number of 3rd round comps that can be given out,  So, unless there is some major shift, he should definitely be a 3rd.

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I doubt it's for the minimum since I read somewhere that it's a two-year deal. He may have gotten around that 3M mark, so hopefully he did. With how much FAs have received this year, he may well have received Watson's deal. Either way, he is very unlikely to give us a comp directly but he certainly mitigates the addition of Watson & the loss of KO's. 

Assuming it's large enough to qualify for a Comp pick, then it will cancel out the -1 from Watson.  A UFA gain is cancelled by a loss in the same round or next closest lower loss.  So, even if Schaub is lower, it would still cancel Watson, returning the 3rd for KO to the Ravens.

If Upshaw were to sign elsewhere, he would probably be a closer Comp and cancel Watson.

Whether they then get a Comp for Schaub will then depend on if he's amongst the top 32 eligible Comps - the max allowed.  If he's below 32, he won't garner them a Comp, enough though he did technically "qualify" under the formula.

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Don't know if anyone knows this but Jensen is a free agent,

 

according to OTC after/if we tender him and Aiken with 2nd rounders we'll have roughly 3 million in space left. And that not taking the Tucker and Cox deal into account. So roughly speaking we have no money right now.

As has already been pointed out, Jensen is a ERFA, so no worries there.

Regarding OTC's estimate of ~$3M, haven't see that, but that's not even remotely close. After RFA/ERFA tenders (assuming Aiken is the only RFA to get a tender) and including Tucker and Wright and estimating Cox, they should still have a little over $4M in Cap space as of Wed (that is if they do not make any other moves).

Hey, never say never, but I find it hard to believe that John Harbaugh would be on board with signing Pacman.  Just don't see it (nor do I want it).

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

The bold is interesting.  I'm guessing there are incentives in the contract.  His first year salary will also be 1M it seems so it looks like a first year cap hit of 2.66M

If a $1M base, the 2016 Cap number would be $2.33M. $4M bonus, divided by 3 years = $1.33M. Add the $1M base to get to $2.33M.

As others have said, sounds like incentives/escalators - hopefully a lot of them - so, the base deal is less than $16M.  As the say, the devil is in the details, so how much is TBD.

42 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I like him plenty, I'm just wary of his ability to perform against the level of competition we'll be facing this coming season. 

 

I hope this doesn't mean that we've given up on KO.

They're only going to give up on KO if the money gets to be too much.

CB is certainly an issue - a major one - too.

They can multi-task and work on and/or get different deals done without affecting the other.

Full breakdown of Flacco's deal:

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Likelihood of us resigning KO and franchising Tucker without a Flacco extension? I just don't see it cap-wise... even if we cut Monroe.

Depends on what other moves they decide to make.  It could be done, but would definitely be tough, though.

Jeff Zrebiec @jeffzrebiecsun 18m18 minutes ago Harbaugh says Ravens made aggressive offer to retain Osemele. Says team sees him at left tackle.

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap  · 33m33 minutes ago 
As LT would likely top Monroe's 5 yr/$37.5M/$11M SB deal. 1st yr Cap # would be ~$4M. Can save $2.1M from Monroe cut

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet  
With pending [profanity deleted] Kelechi Osemele, #Ravens are aggressive, sources say. Offered to make him the 2nd highest offensive player behind Flacco

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap  · 7m7 minutes ago 
 2nd highest is Yanda, at just under $8/yr, so would have to top that for starting LT. Top 10 LT $ starts at $9M/yr

EDIT:  LOL....too funny that Rapoport's "Free Agent Guard" abbreviation got caught by the "profanity" detector!

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 1:05 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Does this include amounts earmarked for draft picks or no?

No, that's just where they are and where they would be on March 9 after ERFA/RFA tenders (but pending re-signings, Franchise Tag, extensions, restructures, cuts).

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap 43m43 minutes ago

(1/2) Assuming a $155M Cap, Ravens are presently (before RFA/ERFA tenders & other adjustments), $6.5M under Cap w/ 55 players under contract

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap 42m42 minutes ago

(2/2) Again assuming a $155M Cap, after tenders/adjustments/etc, but b4 any other moves (cuts/restrict/ext), Ravens would be ~$1M under Cap.

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Just making an assumption that we like him lol.  We had all 3 guys doing well and probably could have used depth elsewhere, but we opted for a 4th TE, even if he didn't last long before going on IR.  I imagine that if they had known Konrad Reuland and Richard Gordon would be the #2 and #3 tight ends just a couple of weeks later, they would have just kept for off of IR haha.

Oh, no doubt. Was just enjoying the laugh of making ~$300k for being on the roster for 5 days (understanding that these guys work their azzes off year round to get the chance).

Good point about Reuland and Gordon - either is probably a recent candidate to fill the #3.

23 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Ok.  Didn't realize that.  Isn't this only Boyles 2nd time tho?

FWIW, The PED rules require an immediate suspension, whereas the drug policy requires 4 failed tests before a suspension.  Both are an initial 4-game suspension at that point.

4 minutes ago, Purple_Polo89 said:

Like I said just a thought lol. You know how Ozzy is, and a move like this would be right up his ally. I know we might have to draft a TE but I'd much rather us go the free agent vet route. I know Gilmore is a beast at blocking but I'd like to see more of him on the move and catching the long ball from Flacco (along with Maxx), and a vet would come in for blocking and the occasional 3rd down.

Fair enough, but I don't think blocking is really Cook's strong suit. He's a pass catching TE first and foremost. Give their Cap constraints, I just think he will still demand more than they will be wiling to pay.

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Assuming he's re-signed on a cheap deal, I wouldn't overlook Chase Ford as the 3rd TE.

Yes, certainly an option after being non-tendered as a RFA, but hard to tell after his ~5 days on the active roster before going on IR.?