Clmraven

Pretty good time at 4.73 for Shaq Lawson, I know a lot don't like him but he's still one of my favorite prospects.

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Chris Jones had a couple of good runs.. he’s been mocked to us in the second in some mocks I think.

I'm not sure if you saw his first 40 but I saw much more than I needed to, lol.

Im really not sure what I just saw on that slide...

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Oh, no, I thought he was a 4-3 OLB is what I was saying.

Oh I understand now, but no he was a DE In the 4-3 I think he played at LB In A 4-3 in college before switching to pass rusher in his senior year, similar to Floyd coming out they both have experience playing on and off the LOS.

21 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Didn't Taylor play in the 4-3?

Yeah he did for the most part but played a little LB later in his career IIRC

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

At that weight, you'd likely wanna see 15 more pounds. I wonder how this affects his 40 to have his weight so up.

And speaking of measuring in taller than listed, Coleman did this and was over 5'11", I believe. That'll really help him.

Id like to see him gain some weight too, but on the other hand at 244lbs he has almost identical measurables as Jason Taylor, along with great athleticism, could be that type of player.

Leonard Flyod measured in at 6'5.5" 244lbs, nice to see he put on weight but man he's taller than I expected, I never saw him listed taller than 6'4" no wonder he looked so thin on tape.

IMO we could use another receiver with some speed, and right now there doesn't seem to be many. Gotta be one of the slowest groups I've seen in years

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I do think goff is a very good qb prospect and never understood how he had so many doubters, however I just don't know that wentz can build that same hype, I know small school guys succeed all the time but wentz would need to really show something special to go 4th overall to a team who already has a qb and lots of holes on defense. You're expecting Jerry Jones of all people to pass on a Ramsey or bosa or buckner when he has massive voids in the secondary, and all over the DL, for a prospect who won't play for a few years, Jerry doesn't strike me as that type of gm and I'm sure many would agree. 

 

We seem to be projecting some really far fetched scenarios that allows our favorite outcomes, the chips rarely fall that perfectly though

Mike Mayock is really hyping Wentz up it wouldn't  surprise me to see him go at 4, whether it's the Cowboys or someone traded up. He has all the physical ability, I think he compares well to Bortles in draft stock, smaller school than him but could see the same rise as him.

7 hours ago, Baltimore RAYvens said:

If Ogbah has a poor combine do you think he could slide to us in the second? 

What do you think Corey Coleman needs to run to be a first rounder?

 

Coleman is already a first rounder, even if he ran a 4.5 I still think he'd be a first rounder cause he'll light up the vertical and agility drills.

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Shaq Lawson could have a lot to gain in this combine. He has the chance to really solidify himself as the number 2 edge rusher behind Bosa, and to get someone in the top 10 to pick him. If he shows good agility, he could get a 3-4 team to think of using him as an olb.

I think he could have a surprisingly good 40 time, still not sure about him going top 10 though unless he really lights it up.

3 hours ago, edthehead said:

who are the other teams , I like to know and see how they draft

The 4 others are the Colts, the Pats, the Raiders and the Skins

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

@Clmraven

You stole my idea, homie! Lol. I had this same idea. I wanted to do it when I had more time. I really wonder if scouting plays a role in this problem. I'll probably now have to look into this more. You've motivated me.

I just looked more into on our scouting and found some interesting info, there's 2 big scouting (BLESTO and The National) organizations that give initial scouting reports to teams that are subscribed, and I found it interesting that we are one of only 5 teams In the league that don't subscribe to either of these, we do all the initial scouting ourselves, which could lead to us having very different views and rankings of prospects than most other teams.

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Just playing the Devil's advocate here. Has Harbaugh's insistence on picking players who have special teams passion over pure positional talent contributed somewhat to the talent deficit? I'm not sure, but that's something to think about. If Scouts are asked to rank players not just on their positional talent but also their ability to contribute to ST and then grade and rank them, it may explain something. I'm unsure if that is the case, but I read somewhere that it may indeed be the case.

I think this could be possible, more so with later round guy I'd think. Chykie Brown and Asa Jackson come to mind but it's hard to say if we see guys like them as potential starters or just potential ST guys.

55 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

You know there is another difference between pre-08 and post 08. We have been picking significantly higher in the draft and not every draft has 32 players with first round talent. 

 

 

Yes i know the draft position excuse has been beaten to death, and it does have some merit, but there are teams with the same situation as us that have dealt with it, the patriots come to mind BB built a darn good defense with players he picked up in the 20s of the first and second round.

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

And he did contribute. He was well above average as a run defender and underrated as a zone coverage defender (and an absolute bully to tight ends in press coverage). Remember, when he was drafted, the Ravens had Suggs and Kruger, who was a pass rusher first, run defender last. The Ravens were missing that bully in the run game, not a pass rusher. He filled a role and filled it well.

Oh there's no doubt he's great at what we ask him to do, but I can't help but think we drafted him thinking he could develop into a 3 down player for us, but he never developed any pass rush ability.

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

How does the process work is what I'm intrigued on:

Is there scouts for certain positions or is it just area?

How much input do the scouts have and the process of them grading players being relayed to the FO? 

 

Thanks for posting this,  I'll type more when I'm at work Tonight 

From what I understand all our of scouts review any position In their designated area, but some of them also review players from a specific position group from around the whole country for example one of our scouts David Blackburn covers the west coast region but is also assigned to evaluate QBs and TEs from all over and rank them.

37 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This is a picky note, but how can you say you expect a pass rusher at 35 when Upshaw was literally the eighth DE/OLB taken and the 12th pass rush (DE/OLB/DT) type player taken. Just throwing that out there. Anyone expecting a great pass rusher never watched him in college or didn't see how many players were taken ahead of Upshaw 

Well are you telling me you draft a OLB that high expecting him to only play the run? IMO it doesn't matter that he was the 12th pass rusher taken its still a high pick so you expect him to contribute.

33 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

You should post it.   Maybe in a completely new thread.  I have always been interested in how the scouting department works,  I've asked a couple times but no one  was really ever able to answer 

I'll admit I don't go too far in depth, mainly because it's really hard to find information about scouting but I might post it as a new thread later in the draft board once I do a little more research.

3 minutes ago, Stevin said:

some names ? rly?

it's a top prospects on all positions . 

best wr can be above best de , right ? in some cases... 
or best qb , or best cb
i like buckner , i didn't say nothing bad about him ) but obviosly he is not "№1" , he is "one of the best"

Im really having trouble understanding what your trying to say.

4 hours ago, edthehead said:

at one point we drafted exceptionally well,

for the most part we still do a good job,

Did we loose scouts? what happen?

It's funny you ask, because I recently wrote a really long post in my notes about our recent drafts and how our scouts affect it all, I decided not to post it because most people wouldn't want to read a book about the trends of our scouting department lol, but long story short if you look at our southeast region, it seems most of our bust's have come from that area since 08, until 2014 that is when we promoted a new guy to scout the region and it seemed to have helped because since then we've grabbed Mosley and Jernigan, along with Perriman and T Brooks, the jury is still out on those 2 though.

1 hour ago, Mad Puppy said:

Any opinions on Trajae Sharpe UMass WR

Can catch in traffic and supposedly runs the whole route tree. Also reports that he is humble and coachable.

Watching some of the online tape looks good, has speed, but is thin....

Impressed in shrine game and invited to senior bowl, but missed the game with Quad injury

Might be a later round WR that Ozzie takes a chance on.

Im not sure what to think of him, he's kind of an anomaly he only dropped a few balls the last 2 years but he has hands that are under 8 inches, which is the smallest I've ever seen for an NFL prospect, and hand size is a pretty huge factor for wide receiver.

I may be in the minority here but I think Spence is being really overrated on this board, don't get me wrong I am a fan, but I think he has a way higher chance to bust than people are giving him credit for. I mean his lack of arm length is concerning, his strength and run defense doesn't seem on par with a top ten pick and we'd basically be drafting him based on his 8 sack season at OSU and the fact that he was a 5 star recruit. Sure you can argue about his year at EKU but if you take away his days at OSU and drafted him solely on the tape from EKU he'd probably be a 3rd rounder at best.

like I said I'm a fan of his and I mentioned him as a potential target months ago but that was when he was projected to go in the 3rd round. I think he's way too much of a risk to draft #6 we don't have the luxury to draft a guy with the concerns he has, because if he busts that could set us back a few years.

8 hours ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Here is a name a lot of people probably aren't paying attention too. William Jackson III CB out of Houston could possibly be the second best Corner in the draft. I only watched 3 game films of him but honest opinion is he really reminds me of Bradley Roby/Jimmy Smith. How would you feel about Noah Spence, William Jackson III with the first 2 picks?

Im a huge fan of Jackson, he could be the most instinctive corner in the class. I'm sure he'll thrive at CB but I could really see him playing well at safety, maybe a Rod Woodson type guy who moves to safety later in his career.