Clmraven

Pretty good time at 4.73 for Shaq Lawson, I know a lot don't like him but he's still one of my favorite prospects.

I'm not sure if you saw his first 40 but I saw much more than I needed to, lol.

Im really not sure what I just saw on that slide...

Oh I understand now, but no he was a DE In the 4-3 I think he played at LB In A 4-3 in college before switching to pass rusher in his senior year, similar to Floyd coming out they both have experience playing on and off the LOS.

Yeah he did for the most part but played a little LB later in his career IIRC

Id like to see him gain some weight too, but on the other hand at 244lbs he has almost identical measurables as Jason Taylor, along with great athleticism, could be that type of player.

Leonard Flyod measured in at 6'5.5" 244lbs, nice to see he put on weight but man he's taller than I expected, I never saw him listed taller than 6'4" no wonder he looked so thin on tape.

IMO we could use another receiver with some speed, and right now there doesn't seem to be many. Gotta be one of the slowest groups I've seen in years

There has been a lot of talk about our homegrown talent (or lack there of) and arguments of whether it's Ozzie losing his touch, or an inability to draft well at certain positions, or if it's the co-ordinator's not playing to our strength, or our position coaches failing to develop the guys we bring in and so on. These arguments will continue and have been talked to death already so I took a deeper look into the people who get a first look at the guys we eventually draft, the scouts. And I've noticed sort of a trend. But first a little information on our scouts, while we have a few guys who review a list of "draftable" players of a specific position group In addition to a specific area, the majority of our scouts cover a region, and one specific area I've noticed to continue to disappoint for the most part? The south-east. You look at the history and it wasn't always like this you can look at the greats we've drafted from this area like Ray Lewis and Reed but also later round guys like JJ and Dawan Landry and Adalius Thomas, the downward trend seemed to start in 2008, some could blame Harbaugh but in 08 we moved people around, this was the year Joe Hortiz was promoted to director of player personnel, after spending time as our south east region scout. Since then very few of our quality players have come from that region, with quite a few guys who have failed to live up to their expectations or just plain busted, guys like Terrence Cody, Jah Reid, Matt Elam, even Upshaw (this can be argued but when you pick an edge guy at #35 overall you expect a pass rusher). All of this is just another piece of the huge puzzle that goes into making a great team, and our recent history of players from this region could be a fluke, but then again you look at some of the guys from other regions we've drafted and it put things in perspective, the northeast and west area's have seemingly produced the most talent In the Harbaugh era, with Flacco, Rice, Kruger, Pitta ,Jimmy and Torrey, Art Jones and so on. The good news if we may be on an upward trend, since naming Ian Cunningham our new southeast scout after the 2013 draft we've seen some better players from that area, with Mosley and Jernigan, along with Perriman and T Brooks who haven't played yet but could end up being very good players. All in all I just wanted to get some more opinions on this, does a scout make a huge difference to a teams draft success? Is it all just a fluky streak of drafting? Let's just try not to turn this into a Pees or Harbs hate thread because it already been discussed in length.

Mike Mayock is really hyping Wentz up it wouldn't surprise me to see him go at 4, whether it's the Cowboys or someone traded up. He has all the physical ability, I think he compares well to Bortles in draft stock, smaller school than him but could see the same rise as him.

Coleman is already a first rounder, even if he ran a 4.5 I still think he'd be a first rounder cause he'll light up the vertical and agility drills.

I think he could have a surprisingly good 40 time, still not sure about him going top 10 though unless he really lights it up.

The 4 others are the Colts, the Pats, the Raiders and the Skins

I just looked more into on our scouting and found some interesting info, there's 2 big scouting (BLESTO and The National) organizations that give initial scouting reports to teams that are subscribed, and I found it interesting that we are one of only 5 teams In the league that don't subscribe to either of these, we do all the initial scouting ourselves, which could lead to us having very different views and rankings of prospects than most other teams.

I think this could be possible, more so with later round guy I'd think. Chykie Brown and Asa Jackson come to mind but it's hard to say if we see guys like them as potential starters or just potential ST guys.

Yes i know the draft position excuse has been beaten to death, and it does have some merit, but there are teams with the same situation as us that have dealt with it, the patriots come to mind BB built a darn good defense with players he picked up in the 20s of the first and second round.

Oh there's no doubt he's great at what we ask him to do, but I can't help but think we drafted him thinking he could develop into a 3 down player for us, but he never developed any pass rush ability.

From what I understand all our of scouts review any position In their designated area, but some of them also review players from a specific position group from around the whole country for example one of our scouts David Blackburn covers the west coast region but is also assigned to evaluate QBs and TEs from all over and rank them.

Well are you telling me you draft a OLB that high expecting him to only play the run? IMO it doesn't matter that he was the 12th pass rusher taken its still a high pick so you expect him to contribute.

I'll admit I don't go too far in depth, mainly because it's really hard to find information about scouting but I might post it as a new thread later in the draft board once I do a little more research.

Im really having trouble understanding what your trying to say.

It's funny you ask, because I recently wrote a really long post in my notes about our recent drafts and how our scouts affect it all, I decided not to post it because most people wouldn't want to read a book about the trends of our scouting department lol, but long story short if you look at our southeast region, it seems most of our bust's have come from that area since 08, until 2014 that is when we promoted a new guy to scout the region and it seemed to have helped because since then we've grabbed Mosley and Jernigan, along with Perriman and T Brooks, the jury is still out on those 2 though.

Im not sure what to think of him, he's kind of an anomaly he only dropped a few balls the last 2 years but he has hands that are under 8 inches, which is the smallest I've ever seen for an NFL prospect, and hand size is a pretty huge factor for wide receiver.

I may be in the minority here but I think Spence is being really overrated on this board, don't get me wrong I am a fan, but I think he has a way higher chance to bust than people are giving him credit for. I mean his lack of arm length is concerning, his strength and run defense doesn't seem on par with a top ten pick and we'd basically be drafting him based on his 8 sack season at OSU and the fact that he was a 5 star recruit. Sure you can argue about his year at EKU but if you take away his days at OSU and drafted him solely on the tape from EKU he'd probably be a 3rd rounder at best. like I said I'm a fan of his and I mentioned him as a potential target months ago but that was when he was projected to go in the 3rd round. I think he's way too much of a risk to draft #6 we don't have the luxury to draft a guy with the concerns he has, because if he busts that could set us back a few years.

Im a huge fan of Jackson, he could be the most instinctive corner in the class. I'm sure he'll thrive at CB but I could really see him playing well at safety, maybe a Rod Woodson type guy who moves to safety later in his career.