Still waiting for that ring though. With all he's got and how much you talk him up, what's his excuse? Seriously, though people act Joe has all that he could possibly have to throw for 4000 and 40 TDs, when let's face it, you should've expected this offense to flop. Not much has went into. Not much has produced from it. You could point the one time Perriman got open when there's more times he wasn't. To quote Rich McKay "When you're in a mess, you're stuck in a mess. One player is not going to get you out of it." We could waste all of ten to who knows how long trying to find hall of fame quarterback, but your offense won't get far with a motley crew.