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1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

It's good.  They just signed Beachum, and they have the guy who replaced Monroe under contract still.  Tunsil would be very unlikely for them.

But Beachum's not their long term solution to either tackle position. Couldn't Jax still take Tunsil and move Joeckel to RT?

1 hour ago, ludy51 said:

San Diego could go Jack. Wouldn't shock me.

I've heard that from others, too. Why would SD take Jack when they have Te'o and DP52?

Yeah I heard.  I haven't checked either game out.  I'm sure it'll give me some pause of course but the overall body of work for both is still very, very impressive.  I'll take it with a grain of salt and try not to let one bad game be the defining game.

Didn't see the Michigan/Florida game, but I did see the FSU/Houston game. Ramsey wasn't awful. He made his share of plays, but he did make some mistakes. Critical one at the end of the game as a result of miscommunication between him and Brutus as to who was going to blitz and who was going to cover the receiver, at least from what I recall. On a side note, and I'm not sure if I or someone else has brought this up before, but Derwin James is an absolute stud.

I don't know if Alexander will be there in the 2nd

It's no secret Henry is my favourite college player for last 2 years. I've been raving about him since he started relieving Yeldon in 2014. I can't imagine any scenario in which he isn't a day 1 selection, so when he was there in second round, it was a no-brainer. If it happened in real life, I think Ozzie would at least have to consider the option.

 

As far as Ravens backfield goes, I don't see it as stacked by any means - I hate LT's propensity for getting injured, West has yet to convince everybody that he can cut it as more than No 3 and Forsett is getting up there in age. Buck is good but the type of RB that would complement Henry really well, those two together are a dream combo as far as I'm concerned.

Why do you like Henry so much?

I'm thinking 2nd to 4th

I was kinda thinking the same thing. I just don't know if he makes it to the 4th. 

Sterling Shepard is the perfect WR for us imo. I think he could go higher but if he's there in the third it'll be hard for me to go in another direction. His hands, catching radius, speed and routes are some of the best I've seen coming out this year if not the best in some areas. I want this guy bad for us. He's like Odell but in a smaller body and without his insane deep speed.

He's like another Tyler Lockett

What round do you think he goes?

Day 1 I wouldn't be surprised if Cash was better but Cravens has the higher ceiling with his speed and pretty good coverage skills, but all in all I'm not a big fan of SS/LB hybrids.

Yup. Totally agree. Cravens is the better athlete. I've just been very impressed by what I've seen from Cash. And yeah, I don't like the hybrid S/LB players either. Unless they're super athletes, which neither are, I don't think those types of players tend to do well at the next level. At least, I can't think of any examples off the top of my head. How did Shaq Thompson do last year? 

i totally agree but I actually think he goes in the first. If he falls because of his knee I think there is a very strong chance hes our guy in the second, even if we took a db in the first

I would love that scenario. Yeah, I've seen some mocks where they dropped him because of concern for the knee. What really worries me about him not lasting to the early 2nd would be that corners tend to get overdrafted (not saying that word applies to him because he's a stud) because of the high demand and low supply of quality corners. I could see a team in the back end of the 1st who doesn't really have many needs selecting him because of the terrific value. 

I love fuller but he seems very similar to Jimmy as in he's more a press guy, I like the idea of an expert cover guy with great closing speed and explosiveness, we have enough big guys on defense I would like to add an element of explosiveness for once

True. I just think there could be a point where he's the bpa, and I would absolutely pounce on it. But yeah, really good point.

As far as S/LB hybrids go, I like Cash more than Cravens, too.

From what I've seen he's a SS/LB hybrid, not a FS/CB guy. I'm not a fan of his but a lot of people are, he's too slow to be a safety first in the NFL and he's average in coverage at best. He reminds me of a Ihedigbo or guys like that. Whenever I watch tape on him he is lined up along the line, rarely back in coverage.

That's true. He probably wouldn't cut it as a free safety unless he improves in pass coverage, but the guy stands out on film, without a doubt. I suppose it's easy for someone from Duke to do that, but I like Cash a lot. Not as a 1st or even 2nd round pick, but in the early 3rd, I think he's a take. 

I was never a fan, i dont know what it is about him.  And he has always looked out of shape to me, just not like a football player, if that makes sense. 

Yeah, he just does not fit here. Never did really. I'm not a fan of his either and think we should just let him walk.

Upshaw's biggest issue coming out of college was finding a fit. That's why he slipped to the 2nd round. I too echo everyone else's sentiments. Let him walk after the season. 

Sorry if already brought up, but has anyone mentioned Jeremy Cash? Honestly, he was the best safety in the ACC. Ramsey's really good, but Cash, in my opinion, was the most impactful db in the ACC. Guy is an absolute nuisance.

I really like his playmaking ability, and his swagger, for lack of a better term. I miss having a really physical safety like that.

He's a physical safety who can do everything. Injuries are a concern with Bush, though. I'm not totally sure if his body can hold up with him trying to knock everyone out all the time. He had a sports hernia injury that messed him up his sophomore year, but he's been otherwise terrific despite playing in an awful scheme. I think he's a cerebral player who improved and seems to work very hard. Can also slide over to corner if need be. He'll test well at the combine, so I'm not sure where he'll go, but I suspect anywhere from rounds 3-5. 

If not Hargreaves, Fuller would be my guy if we trade back into the first or in the early 2nd if another position is selected earlier. I pay attention to VT, and Fuller is a stud. Like Hargreaves, he can cover in the slot or on the outside. VT dbs tend to do well at the next level, too.

What I love about these threads is how well thought out the mocks are! Many intriguing options...

Thank you for bringing up Deon Bush!!! Really underrated prospect!

I take blame but just do what I do and ignore it and it'll go away

Sorry. Couldn't help it haha

I don't mean to go off topic here but muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, whether it's fat or muscle. Muscle is just denser than fat.

I hate this particular idiom. Lol sorry to rant

Density = mass/volume. Weight = mass * gravitational acceleration. So, assuming you're still on Earth, the more mass something has, the greater the weight. The more muscle mass one has, the heavier they will be, being that muscle is denser than fat. But this all depends on the muscle/fat ratio as well.

sounds like a guy who goes way earlier than he should and gets toasted for 4 years and then bounces around practice squads...

I think it depends more along the lines of which team takes him. He has pro-bowl talent. Just very raw.

How good is Artie Burns from Miami? I only know a little because I didn't expect him to declare and I don't watch much of Miami in general. Is he draft material or is he an UDFA guy?

He's definitely a draftable prospect, but he needs work. Got great size and should run well, but is a little stiff and can get sloppy with his technique (has more to do with Miami's former inept coaching staff). He's a boundary corner all the way, though. He would be someone we could line opposite Jimmy and put Webb against guys in the slot.  

I agree to that but I even have question about him as a safety as well.

What is it that you don't like about him as a safety? I remember watching the game against Miami 2 years ago, and he single-handedly won the game for FSU. I wouldn't take him as a corner, especially that high, but I think he's a really good safety prospect. What are your reservations about him?

Keenan Allen fell to the third an an absolutely diabolical draft class. This year's class isn't amazing, but Boyd's lack of blazing top-end speed (and his DUI may or may not hurt his stock, although it feels like it was so long ago Fred Flinstone was his passenger) could see him take a similar fall.

Good point. If he slips to us, I hope Ozzie doesn't hesitate at all.

Artie Burns out of Miami just declared for the draft. Boundary corner who's a little stiff, but for anyone paying attention to the Miami program (I've brought this up many times before), he pretty much received zero coaching, so he's very raw. Is a track guy, so I expect him to run well at the combine. Excellent size for a corner at 6'0'' 195 lbs. Can also play safety if need be. Can get sloppy with his technique, but again, I blame the coaching staff at Miami. I would think rounds 2-3 would be the right range for him. Round 2 if he runs well at the combine.

As far as corners who can cover guys in the slot, Corn Elder, another Miami corner may be an option. He hasn't declared yet, but if he does, I think he will be fantastic in the league. Fast and very fluid. Can return punts and kicks, too.