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Great stuff...

I don't really remember having any pro bowl receivers either...in fact we've had zero. Just sayin.

Anquan Boldin went to 2, sorry if they weren't for us, all his talent was gone when he got to us I guess.

Im just pointing out all the incorrect and nonsensical things you keep saying. there is no bias on my end. Since you're attacking him: disproving you and defending him are mutually inclusive activities. there's no way i could do one without doing the other. if you say something true, or at least plausible, i'll happily concede the point. the only bias being exhibited here is yours against Flacco as you continue to press the narrative that he's such a terrible QB and everything i his fault despite having been proven wrong multiple times.

you refuse to acknowledge the role of other players in Joe's performance and sarcastically dismiss plausible explanations of Joe's struggles whenever they are related to other players at every turn. Sounds like absolution to me.

What this all comes down to is the need to eliminate this weird mythical idea fans hold that some quarterbacks can magically hand out talent to bad players somehow. That's not how it works. that's never been how it works. Nothing Joe does matters if the guys he's working with dont have the talent to begin with.

Dude the whole team is playing bad, I never said it's all Flacco's fault. I will say it again since you can't seem to understand it. He is playing bad and is part of the problem. Sorry if that's not grandiloquent enough. You should be writing these propaganda articles for br.com. He is overpaid and not elite, wish he was, love the Ravens. People that are saying he's the saving grace of our season are crazy. He'll throw for his 215yds... maybe 1TD and prb 1INT... play just good enough to stay close so it's a coin toss finish. He is gloriously inconsistent and mediocre - has been and probably always will be. Better get on Mink for that Flacco has not been clutch article just posted... he must be watching some different games too.

sarcastic hyperbole does not strengthen your point or disprove mine.

 

see above.

 

i havent seen that, and you havent told me which ones youre talking about. i cant explain figments of your imagination. what you perceive as a "miss" is probably just a bad decision in all actuality; and you just dont understand WHY it wouldve been a bad decision. but like i said: you cant point out any specific plays (aside from the ones the announcers told you about) so i guess we'll never know.

 

provide evidence of this.

according to his stat sheet, he completes 72% of passes thrown 1-10 yards.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11252/joe-flacco

(half the time wold be 50%, fyi...)

 

yeah, pretty much. you're also flat out wrong, as i just demonstrated.

 

in other words, since you cant defend your position, now you want to shift the burden of proof onto me. lol

 

depends on which pick you're talking about. some are the receivers fault. some are his. some couldnt be helped because there's nothing else you could do under the circumstances.

if he gets sacked, that IS the line's fault. that's never not gonna be the line's fault. he cant block for himself. dont know what you're trying to say there.

and now you're just contradicting yourself. You're mad he gets sacked, so he throws it before the play develops to avoid the sack and now you're mad it wasnt accurate.

also in hilariously ironic and hypocritical fashion, cant help but notice you absolve all other players on the offense of their flaws in order to blame everything on Flacco as you attempt to chastise me for doing the same...even though i never did that.

 

kickers arent part of the offense, that's irrelevant.

Defense...obviously isnt part of the offense...also irrelevant.

and Flacco actually declined the pro bowl recently sooo...you're wrong there too.

The fact you spent all that time to defend him speaks to your bias. I never said the rest of the offense is obsolved - simply that Joe is a big part of the problem. Joe is not a QB that makes players around him better and that's what it all comes down to.

49ers are not doing great. Cardinals are a solid team and may be the best all around team in the NFC. Bengals we should have won the first game and they are a top AFC contender. Steelers we beat once. Browns we should have beat. Seahawks are struggling as well. Chargers are struggling to close games.... My question to everyone on here is how do people think we are that terrible when we have been ahead in every game the first 58 minutes. If the defense can put games away we wouldn't be talking about this. What teams on there can't we beat? We should have beat Denver and Cincinnati who are two of the top 3 AFC teams. Look at who else is struggling... Everyone but them. 

Yeah beacuse sending all these players to IR will make us better. Ben will be back when we play PIT. Did you really list AT the Bengals and SEA as wins... lol. Be realistic man a good season will be if we win 5 games. Optimism doesn't win football games. Were worse after every practice because NO ONE can stay healthy. But hey you can go watch a video about Joe's TD celebration - that's awesome.

These injuries... is the practice field haunted or what. Seriously it's way passed bad luck and now in the realms of "what is really going on in there".

Your wearing an old Saints bag!  lol

Yeah but I'm smiling underneath.

Torrey didn't fight for he last pass as a Raven that ended our season, whether or not Flacco shouldn't have thrown that pass is one thing, but Torrey didn't become a defender and keep hope alive, every good thing he done washed away with that. How many PI's vs spectacular catches does, dez, aj, Beckham, etc have.

Joe Flacco makes no mistakes. Had to be Torrey's fault. Either the line wasn't blocking right or the WR didn't get open enough. Maybe blame the OC for the call even... but certainly not Joe.

Oh come on you know saying anything negative about the ravens on here will get you negged. Think happy thoughts!

You haven't seen my posts on Joe Cool.

Preaching to the choir. Like ostriches with heads in the ground. I have a guy right now telling me all his bad throws are because of pressure and the WRs not being open. Says he's having a good year. Tried to tell him about the Givens and Aiken plays... in one ear and out the other.

who is he gonna put up good numbers with?! 5 years after they draft him they finally managed to put together an OK offense for him, and then immediately blew the whole thing up.

I dont know if you knew this, but game pass is available to more than one person. i already said you could probably remember two or three teams...but that's ALL you got.

by all means, put together a list for me if you think you can, i'll be glad to go over each play you bring up and show you where and why you're wrong.

and just because he didnt get hit or sacked doesnt mean the line has been playing well. Hurst cant handle rushers on the left side. Joe is aware of his crumbling pocket and gets the ball out of his hands, that's why he hasnt been sacked much. But thats also why we cant move the ball: when he doesnt have time to throw or wait for his bad receivers to finally get open one day, our offense stalls.

You're problem is you look at everything in a vacuum, you dont see how one things affects another.

Yeah looking at career stats and comparing them to other QBs really isn't fair to Flacco. Nothing will change your mind he's the best QB in the league and the front office just sabotages him yearly. One of these days when they put the right receivers around him and he gets a decent line and an all pro RB he'll get his completion percentage up and finally pass for 4000 yards and stop forcing the ball into double covered receivers. I have seen the light. How lucky we are to have a leader like him in this locker room taking ownership and getting this thing back together. Because missing Givens and Aiken who were open for TDs isnt enough to sway you in the least. So on the plays you do see like him missing about half the passes on crossing routes and screens how do you explain that? Who's fault is that he can't throw a 5yd pass accurate half the time? I guess I'm seeing those in a vacuum too. If you can dismiss every stat I'd love to hear what his strengths are to you. Please respond and tell me you think he's playing well... Please! I love how every bad Flacco stat is someone elses fault. He threw a pick... recievers fault. He got sacked... lines fault, waiting for recievers to get open. Inaccuracy... he had to throw it quick because of pressure... LOL. We've had probowl RB, lineman, WR, Kickers, all over the defense and no one has ever thought about putting him in one. Must be the teams around him.

he blew past the defender early in the 2nd quarter and was wide open for what would have Been an easy walk In touchdown but joe didn't see him and threw to brown instead. (And he dropped it )

Yeah right, you're crazy. Joe doesn't miss open receivers... just ask anyone on these boards.

Does everyone think the Ravens are the only AFC team sucking it up right now!  KC, Phins, and others aren't very far behind.  We just may very well be like the NFC was last year.  Didn't a 7-9 team make it to the tournament???  I know we have issues...  trust me.  Call me an eternal optimist, but I'm keeping the faith for now.

 

As for the draft picks???  I'm with Cobra and a few others.  Hang on to them for Draft day.  We can use them to move up if needed.

Besides the Jags who are better this year and the Browns again... look at the schedule and tell me who you think we can beat...

the line PLAYED good...for one week...finally. and that's not even entirely true, Zuttah was pretty bad in this one. He's the center...the guy responsible for guarding the shortest route to Flacco...fyi.

and that still doesnt change the fact that recievers dont get open. your "plenty of times" are probably just 2, maybe 3 plays tops for the whole season you can remember. none of these kids have been open like that frequently at all, and they cant cach in traffic either. i think its funny that you try to claim that the receivers are so wide open all the time and then in the same breath complain about Joe holding the ball forever. Gee? wonder why he does that.

for somebody mad that Joe supposedly doesnt see the whole field, you're having an awfully difficult time seeing the bigger picture yourself.

1) We watch actual games. Box scores lie.

2) the idea that somebody is "making excuses" is just tired, cliche, meaningless and nonsensical sports chatter. Joe has nobody to throw to, and until recently had nothing at Left Tackle. this isnt a movie: in real life, when your offense is trash, you dont/cant put up good numbers as a qb.

He's never put up good numbers. I've watched every Flacco game. Even watch the coaches films on game pass. How would you know who's open btw when the tv perspective only shows where he throws... 2 or 3 times all year? I can show you 2 or 3 times he missed a wide open reciever in the 4th qtr and OT... last game. There's an article right now showing how he missed Aiken for a game winning TD not to mention Givens 1st route he got 5 yds behind his corner w no one over top... you can see how mad he was Joe didn't even look his way. How can you say the line played good 1 day when he's hardly ever hit and sacked for the ammount of attempts he has... makes no sense.

Just cut Babin and Melvin. What ever happened to how great this guy was?

I don't understand why so many of you are constantly making excuses for Flacco. All the stats point to he is a below average QB and worst when we need him to be best. There is no arguing that. That SB run must have been a glitch in the matrix or something because he has never played like that since. Wake up people he is a huge part of the problem.

OK time for all you guys to blame it on the WR and "pressure" from the line... come on out and defend Joe. I need at least -10 on this. So tired of hearing about no one open and the line playing bad... look at the numbers the line is playing good and there are a lot of times WR are running open and not getting the ball. He DOES NOT go through progressions and often times ignores a whole side of the field - not to mention there have been a ton of just bad balls behind and over people. IDK what's going on but "we gotta do better" is status quo now. BTW Joe is tied for 18th in sacks and 3rd in attempts... as usual bottom 10 in completion percentage and 26th in rating... number 8 in INT... and a lot of the times he was sacked he just holds on to the ball forever.... When you're a top paid QB it gets to the point being bad at all the "good" stats and good at all the "bad" stats needs to be addressed, regardless of fan boys.

Maybe Sergio Kindle could stop selling cars for a while and come help us out...

See, what had happened was...

Well this changes everything. He has 1 more career interception than I do.

You can pretty much just copy and paste this stuff now. Can you guys imagine what that thurs night game at Arizona is going to look like... ew.

Great Point. I'm not trying to take responsibility away from players. I just thought after a few times of getting burned, the coaches should say Mosley can't cover so don't ask him to.

You would think. Mostly looked like the pressure wasn't getting there and he was left holding the bag. I thought he was a lot more agile, fast than what he's looked like the past few games. Probably hurt like the other 50 players.

Lots of praise for a guy who had 1 tackle and 1 pass defended for us. You'd think he was a pro bowler how he keeps getting talked up. Keep hearing how good he's played... he broke up 1 pass against PIT. That is literally it... look up the stats. Thrown at 1 time and make 1 tackle.

Pollard left BMORE and played well in Tennessee... Ihedigbo left BMORE and looks like a probowler in Detroit.... Elam played his best season under Pags (his rookie year)... will Hill looked like the best safety in football in NY (under a different DC)....KLewis looked great in Houston (under a different DC) why can all of these S look great under other DC's (some before and some after).... but yet never cut it under our DC??????????????? Maybe bc it has less to do with the talent of our Safties and the inability of our DC! (and it dont stop with S) I can give examples at every position that will futher illustrate the trend with Pees incompetence!

Darian Stewart is getting a lot of positive attention this year too. Even Josh Wilson is playing well...

Leonard Fournette will look great in Purp next year!

Yeah except he's a sophmore...  maybe Ezekiel Elliott.