Run Pass Pass Punt

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    Have fun arguing over who to blame on this one.

    Offense: Flacco with 3 turnovers... no surprise here.

    Defense: All the personal fouls, Doom with that face mask... and we seriously have to be leading the league in dropped INTs

    Special Teams: Fumbled punt, block in the back on EVERY punt return, and another game where our "best in the league" kicker misses a kick that would have made the difference. That's the 4th time this year btw...

    Coaching: Should have took the 3 instead of going for it on 4th and 4 early.

    So coming off a bye we lose to the worst team in NFL history at home... when they haven't won a road game in 3 years. I think we've hit rock bottom guys.

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  16. Posted · Edited by Run Pass Pass Punt · Report post

    Can't believe this guy was a 1st rd pick. We've been missing a lot lately. T Walker, Myers, Taliaferro, Melvin, A Brown, Simon, M Anthony, Mellette, Upshaw, Pierce, Gradkowski, C Thompson, A Jackson, Streeter... That's a lot of picks to contribute next to nothing in the last few years. Especially those secondary guys...

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  21. Posted · Edited by Run Pass Pass Punt · Report post

    lol we don't?

    who is worse?

    I'd take ours over the Browns, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, Panthers and Redskins... add in the injuries and you can probably find a couple more if you're saying right now. Were in the bottom 1/4 no doubt... def need to address this next year esp not knowing about Perriman. Bad part is we can't draft WR and there's not many FA we'd want in this upcoming offseason. MAYBE... Boldin, Sanu, Floyd, Jeffrey... If you want some headaches Harvin and Gordon will be there...

     

    I hope we go after some secondary help like Reggie Nelson, Leon Hall, Sean Smith, or Amukamara... Weddle prb out of our $$$ range.

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    I'm just using your own logic against you at this point. If we're going to play the "lets go to the boxscore and pretend like stats don't lie" argument, then yes, Andrew Luck is a mediocre QB. What about him this season, specifically, makes him better than Flacco statistically? There really is nothing. The reason he's NOT a mediocre QB, just like Joe is not a mediocre QB, is because people actually watch him play.

     

    You're right... Stafford does have weapons. I also noticed you didn't name any offensive lineman in your list of weapons (the Lions biggest problem) and you didn't name any defensive players in his list of weapons (second biggest problem). What good is having a good QB with good weapons if you've got a terrible offensive line and a terrible defense? That smells like a 4-5 win team to me. And since my comment was specifically about wins in regard to Stafford, that's what matters.

     

    What exactly am I supposed to give Tyrod credit for specifically? He looks just as mediocre as practically the entire NFL at the QB position, and his team is 3-4. What, precisely, am I supposed to be impressed by? The fact that they have a better record than the Ravens? Is that what passes for credit these days... that your team isn't 1-6? LOL.

     

    Its time to join 2015. This ain't the 90s anymore. Nobody cares about passing yardage, completion percentage, QBR, etc. in an era where corners can't touch receivers, you can't hit the QB below the waist or above the belly button, and teams throw the ball 40+ times a game weekly. Why am I supposed to be impressed by monsterous statistical output in an era that's designed for monsterous statistical output?

     

    Similarly, I'm not foolish enough to assign W/L records to individual players in a sport that requires at least 25+ guys to make great contributions to the outcome. We give QBs credit for wins when they throw 10 passes for 30 yards, and we give them credit for losses when they throw for 400 yards and 6 TDs. 

     

    The correct way to evaluate QBs in this day and age really doesn't exist. Stats guys will be stats guys when it benefits their argument (Peyton Manning fans) and wins guys will be wins guys when it benefits their argument (Flacco fans). Both arguments are incredibly flawed.

    Yeah how silly of me not to list defensive players and lineman in regards to a QBs weapons... You win... there's no way to evaluate a QB... smh. The most important position in sports has no qualifying statistics, genius.

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  23. Posted · Edited by Run Pass Pass Punt · Report post

    Pretty simple actually... look at the players he's playing with. You're going to the boxscore and taking statistics that are based on numerous factors and applying them solely to an individual, which is why when people evaluate QBs these days, they don't do such a thing.

     

    I get the love for QBR as an ESPN groupie, but seriously, nobody recognizes that as a stat. Its QB rating, which nobody liked or understood, converted to a number between 0 and 100... thats it. Every other sports site on the planet mocks ESPN on a daily basis for coming up with another meaningless statistic that nobody knows how to calculate. Its a made for TV stat.

     

    What makes you think QBs these days are judged by on completion percentage or even TD/INT ratio? If I considered TD/INT ratio to be a heavily weighted stat, then I'd think Andrew Luck has been a mediocre QB for years, but anybody that actually watches games can tell differently. If I considered completion percentage to be a heavily weighted stat, than RGIII is one of the best QBs I've ever seen.

     

    If I actually watched other QBs play, nobody would be impressed by most of anything QBs are doing these days. As I said earlier, there's 6-7 guys playing at a high level, and then there's everybody else in a group who are sometimes good, sometimes bad, and are largely dependent on players around them to even win a game at this point. Flacco falls in that group. If the personnel around them is better (Tyrod), then they win more games. If its not, like a Stafford, then they aren't winning many games.

     

    Numbers lie all the time. They lie when they have no context, they lie when you mix a bunch of numbers together to form a different number that nobody understands (hello QBR), and they lie when flaws of other plays lead to a statistical change in an individual player.

    That is just rediculous. I'm done man. Luck is a Mediocre QB. Stafford doesn't have offensive weapons?! Megatron, Tate, Ebron, Pettigrew, Abdullah, Bell. seriously do you even watch watch FB bro? So following your logic Joe is the best QB because his weapons are the worst. I think you're just trolling now. Hate to tell you but we don't have the worst TE/WRs in the league, keep drinking that koolaid. You have just said only you are able to judge QB's talent by your eye test and nothing else matters and all QB's success is attributed to their playmakers... this is like having a convo w my 10 year old. Trying to discredit Tyrod's limited success up there... shame on you.

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  24. Posted · Edited by Run Pass Pass Punt · Report post

    Joe should not be blamed for that play. Under Heavy pressure he threw to his 6' 6" TE who was about 8 inches taller than his defender, in single coverage, and gave Gilmore a chance to make a play. A more experienced TE would probably have run a better route, gotten behind the defender, and caught the pass. It's real easy for all of us sitting at home watching the game to say he should have thrown it out of the end zone so that we would have had one more chance, but we didn't have a blitz going on and a rusher in our face. We'd have hailed him as a hero if Gilmore had caught that ball. With more experience, Gilmore Will make catches on passes like that.

    And these are the types of comments that make no sense. So let's blame Gilmore for not getting behind the coverage of a safety playing over the top of him... seriously? Do you not realize that when Joe is at the line and there are 6 rushers lined up in his face it is his responsibility to change the pass pro to pick that up? Of course you'll have pressure when you don't account for a free blitzer... look at Gilmore's route - the ball is clearly 1. behind him and 2. over his head where Mathieu had help waiting... that's what happens when you throw off your back foot. That's not an opinion just watch the video, OMG. He was inside/underneath the safety so throw it low and give him a chance to box him out like a forward posting someone up so he can use his size/height to his advantage. Can we really not expect our QB to think throw the ball away and give us a chance to fight another play instead of forcing it into double coverage? Are we really to that point where the absolute basic can't be expected?

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    Tyrod, whoever is starting for the Steelers, McCown, Peyton Manning, Alex Smith, whoever is starting for the Cowboys, Kirk Cousins, Sam Bradford, Nick Foles, Kaepernick, Winston, Cutler, Bridgewater, Stafford, Mariota, whoever is starting for Houston.

     

    Frankly, you can throw Brees, Luck, Tannehill and possibly a few others in there, because they've been highly unimpressive all season long.

     

    Again, watch the games. The QB play mostly league-wide has been abysmal all season long, and Joe Flacco is far, far, far from the worst.

    How do you figure he's playing better than Taylor was when his comp %, wins, QBR, and TD/INT are way better than Joe's? He's been hurt for 2 games and still has the same amount of TDs... and half the INTs and triple the wins. I'll give you the backups, Bridgewater, Foles, Luck, Winston, Kaepernick (even though he outplayed Joe and beat us)... and that's it. Numbers don't lie... your devotion does.

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