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5 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i dont understand this as an argument - the ravens dont draft for need (when a BPA fits the need it's great but they dont always do it)

 

This isn't true. Not entirely. The Ravens take the best player available at a position of need. Even in Mosley's case it was the Ravens knowing that they would need a franchise ILB within the next year and him being better than anyone  they could get the next draft. Slightly improving guard in the first round while ignoring gigantic holes elsewhere should only be done if the guy is going to be hall of fame caliber or at least top five in the league at his position. He could potentially become a probowl level, but I don't think he'd reach that that high on the guard rankings in the league. Thus it wouldn't be a good pick. Especially when we could get an interior guy like Elflien in the 2nd or Isaac Isiata in the third. Or trade back for Lamp.

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

there's no guarantee ramcyzk a natural fit at right tackle either though - if he was a sure fire prospect like that he'd be in the conversation to go top 10 like jack conklin did last year but he's as flawed if not more flawed than every other potential first round lineman and he's the only pure tackle prospect of the ?5?

so if you bring in one of these guards then who's shifting out to right tackle? (or do you make bolles or robinson play right tackle?)

my question is do you take the lesser lineman because they fit slightly better or do you take the better prospects and deal with the right tackle issue later?

i think it's got to be a no brainer that you take the best player and deal with it

I wouldn't call them lesser lineman though. They're better tackles and Cam is the better guard. We need a tackle, so we take the potentially great tackle rather than the potentially great guard.

20 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Anyone have a feel for where Switzer might go?

I'd be willing to use a third comp pick on him, since he seems like a faster Edelman.

I used the CBS board and the NFL Mock for team needs, and I think this might be one of the most unrealistic ones I've done. Though I wish it could turn out like this.

35 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

Anyone wanting to simulate your own Mock Draft.  I came across this site 

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/ 

 

you can live draft anywhere from 1 round to all 7 rounds. 

 

Already a thread for it. Feel free to post your own draft on there.

12 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it depends if you care where on the line they play because i think the upside of cam as an interior olineman is huge whereas i dont see ramczyk as someone who has pro-bowl potential

Yeah, but unless Cam is playing center, then he's going to be a RT for us, not a guard. As for Ramczyk, I think he could be a top ten RT in the league.

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

What's the fascination with Hooker about?

He's an extremely rangy center fielder that the Ravens defense has missed for awhile. We're kinda set at safety now and he's a bit of a luxury pick, but still, he could be one of the top 5 safeties in the league after a bit more experience.

On 3/20/2017 at 8:35 PM, rossihunter2 said:

the problem with this is barnett wont be available in a trade down - may well not even be there at 16, zay jones will probably go early 2nd, conley may well go in the 1st but will go latest mid 2nd, douglas might be there but i cant see pocic making it to our comp pick

Yeah. A trade down pass rusher with possibly be Williams or Watt.

If the Ravens go OT in the first round, I'd really prefer Ramczyk over Robinson. He's a far more natural fit at tackle on the NFL level than Cam will be. Granted, I don't want to go OT in the first either way, but if we are I'd rather have the sure prospect over the guy with a lot of "coachable" bad habits.

1 hour ago, berad said:

This and I'd say it's much more probable they move down. They only have 7 picks this year, that's very low for them.

Agreed. I would much rather move down than up.

57 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I just don't think Robinson will be the best player when we pick

I agree. And I still really don't like Robinson as a tackle. Could be a really good guard, but I think he'll struggle on the outside.

Well, we got some big signings during the first few days of free agency so that changes a bit of the draft strategy. Here's another go at it.

Round 1: Corey Davis, WR, WMU

Sticking with Davis as the top pick. He's just too good of a fit and too good of a player to pass up if he's at 16. One thing that I didn't mention before, but we saw that Flacco is great at throwing those intermediary passes when he's got chemistry with a guy he trusts (Boldin and Pitta being the prime examples). That's why Corey Davis could be the perfect WR to pair Flacco with. And he's the perfect complimentary WR to Perriman. If the safeties back off to deal with Perriman, Davis will abuse the underneath coverage.

Round 2: Derek Rivers, edge, Youngstown State

Small school guy that dominated at his level. He seemed to only get better when under the spotlight at the Senior Bowl, Combine, and Pro Day. He has every trait you could want from an edge rusher: quickness, athleticism, a good bend, decent strength, and combines it all with a relentless play style. And his ceiling is really high, meaning he'll keep getting better while learning from guys like Mosley, Suggs, and Weddle. On top of that, the Steelers seem to have taken a liking to him. One more chance to grab a high player off their board.

Round 3: Isaac Asiata, interior O-line, Utah

Moving him up since its kinda wishful thinking that he'll still be there for the comp pick. He could even be gone by this point. That aside, he has the traits to become a good center and is the perfect guy to push nose tackles off the line of scrimmage. Hell, he'd probably have the time of his life going toe to toe with nose tackles. If he doesn't work out at center, then we still get someone that can play nearly at KO's level at guard.

Round 3 (comp): Howard Wilson, CB, Houston

To put it simply, he came out of college a year sooner than he should have. He has pretty limited experience. However, he has all the natural traits you want at CB. Fluid hips, plays without fear, good speed, great length, and good instincts. All he needs is experience. Since the Ravens got Carr, we don't need to throw a young CB into the fire. After a year learning from Weddle and spending time in an NFL weight room, he could become one of the great hidden gems of this deep DB class.

Round 4: Brad Seaton, OT, Villanova

Seaton is a big, big man who is pretty good at imposing his will on edge rushers. Unlike a lot of massive tackles at the college level, he actually has pretty good lateral quickness to go along with his size and strength. Does he need a bit of polishing? Sure. But after the initial growing pains he could become a very good RT and swing tackle in the NFL. In the long run, he could be an upgrade over Wagner. He's also one of the few college tackles with his own highlight video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu6FDBZKXNU

Round 5: Elijah Lee, LB, Kansas State

A sideline to sideline defender that is also a good blitzer, and has some upside in coverage. His ability to find and get after the ball carrier through traffic can make him a great special teamer right away. Plus he'll provide Correa some real competition for the ILB spot, and be a competent backup.

Round 6: TJ Logan, RB/Return specialist, UNC

Logan is a speed demon through and through with the ability to take it to the endzone anytime he has the ball in his hands. Could be a very good returner in the NFL.

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Front 7. The game is won in the trenches. Although I think our secondary is ahead of our front 7 at the moment

I agree. A great front 7 can carry a mediocre secondary. But a great secondary will still struggle a lot to carry a front 7 that doesn't have much pass rush. Along the same line of thought, a dominate o-line is extremely helpful too.

I really don't think Riddick fits in a 3-4 scheme. He's going to have to be an olb in a 4-3 defense.

I probably won't check the site that often after the forum closes. For breaking news I'll almost always go with Reddit or NFL.com since this site is kinda slow to confirm things. I was really only here to for the interactions.

I want a trade down too, depending on who is available. John Ross or Zach Cunningham could be good trade bait for one of the teams in the twenties.

So, with Zuttah gone, I think the chances went up that we grab a center in the draft. Depending on who is there at 16 a trade back for Feeney seems like an even better idea than it was before, or grabbing Elflein in the second. Isaac Asiata has some experience at C too, and he could be the mauler at the position that the Ravens want.

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think we take offensive lineman within the third round. If there is a run on CB and edge early and no one like Foster, Williams or Davis fall to us, then I wouldn't be against taking Forest Lamp or Cam Robinson. 

However, I do think we are much more likely to see Elflein taken in the second or Moton, Asiata, Orlosky, or Pocic taken in the third

I'd love Asiata in the third. He even has some experience at center.

1 hour ago, SepticeyePoe said:

If we were going wr in the first and Davis and Williams are both there, which one would we take? Are they about equal in talent?

I'd take Davis. I think what Davis brings to the team would be a better fit for what the Ravens are looking for. Though you can't go wrong with either guy.

I really like Elijah Lee out of Kansas State. He's a cover linebacker, and can be all over the field.

I don't think he's been mentioned much on the board and he got snubbed from the combine, but there's a great cover linebacker from Kansas State named Elijah Lee. Good in zone and man coverage, has some real ball skills, and can defend from sideline to sideline. The downside is that he's not the most physical guy and won't help too much against runs up the middle at the NFL level. However, he's playing behind guys like Piece and Williams, and will have Mosley next to him, so we're not hurting for physical run defenders up the middle.

Haven't done one of these since before the combine, so here it goes:

For guys that could believably be available at 16, my top options are Barnett and Corey Davis. For me, it's either those two, one that surprisingly slipped, or a trade back.

It would be pretty amazing if we got someone great in the first, and then managed to snag Jones in the 2nd because of his injury.

Thanks for changing the closing date. I know a lot of us really enjoyed talking about draft prospects on here, so it is nice to go through one more draft on the board.