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4 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

 

I know this has nothing to do with the ravens but heavy effect if this happens.

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

 

Cleveland has not made up its mind at No. 1, per source. Split opinions. Some like Myles Garrett, some like Mitchell Trubisky. We will see.

Umm only the Browns would do this 

I'll be surprised if the Browns go in any direction except for Garrett at number 1. For the Browns' fanbase's sake, I hope the new GM is smart enough not to screw this up. He's done good so far.

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

im coming around on takk lately - he's not as stiff as i thought he was and has shown the ability to bend at times (although not often) - he's often dominant physically with a great first step - my feelings on him were in some part clouded by how raw i thought he was initially but i watched more tape of his about a week ago and saw a little nouse and footballing iq which made me like him a lot more - he's still raw but he's shown characteristics of someone who could develop consistent technique and some rush moves and become dominant - that was my main concern about takk but it's been assuaged somewhat by time and watching more tape - id now happily take him over reddick, mcdowell, ross, humphrey, conley, lamp, robinson etc. maybe even tim williams as well

I like Takk as well. I think he can be a poor man's Suggs on the strong side, with the ability to do well against the run and pass. Takk could be a very good trade back target. I just think Lawson's talent level puts him higher if you're willing to take the risk on the injuries.

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I agree on Lawson... he has the talent, but missing a full year and a half out of 3 is really scary. It seems like PFF just isnt taking that into account at all and are just mocking him to be in agreement with how his '16 play graded out. His skinny lower body is a little worrisome to me too... could be easily uprooted, redirected and knocked off balance by bigger, stronger and more athletic tackles in the NFL.

It wouldnt be the worst pick we could make, but id prob take Tim Williams and maybe even Charles Harris or Takk ahead of him just at that position.... let alone some of the other prospects they have us passing on.

 

I'd take Williams over him. Not sure about Harris. His lack of bend worries me a little, but with how explosive he is off the line he might not need that much bend to effective. I'd probably take Lawson over Takk, but Takk could be the safer pick.

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Every PFF guy has us taking Carl Lawson....

Gordon McGuinness does now too.

Has us taking him with Jamal Adams, Solomon Thomas, Corey Davis, Haason Reddick, Fournette, etc..

 

Has Zay Jones going in the 1st. Mahomes going to Jax 4th. Jourdan Lewis 15th. Thomas 19th. Jordan Willis 22nd. Jamal Adams 24th. Zay Jones 27th. Dede Westbrook 30th.

 

PFF loves Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, and Dede Westbrook. 

I can't see the Jaguars going for Mahomes. I don't think they're ready to give up on Bortles, and Mahomes has a lot of the same questionmarks as Bortles (though probably a higher ceiling). Willis in the 1st in insane to me. He does not look like a first rounder on tap. He could become really good, but it'll take time. Adams should be a top five pick and it'd be insane for the Ravens to pass on him even if we did get Jefferson. Jones I can see as a late first if a team really likes him.

On Lawson, the guy has first round talent, no question. When healthy he is extremely good. The injuries will scare off a lot of teams. Though if he slides to the second, then someone could get the steal of the draft.

6 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Say what?? Davis can win on multiple platforms that include every level. He runs sudden routes for early separation if needed. He can separate intermediate level and make a play on the ball if needed. And he has shown breakaway speed after the catch. He has speed to get deep and make plays on the ball if necessary. At 6'3 1/2 216lbs he runs sharp sudden routes like a 6'0 195lb receiver.

He is similar to Amari Cooper in precision. And can be a contested ball winner if necessary. He hasn't the amount of contested catches of mike Williams because he doesn't need to very often. He gets separation with suddenness and precision. He looked like a college boy playing with Highschool kids. He should be the No.2 catcher off the board behind Howard. We better find a legit young receiver/TE. Wallace is 31 and not known for precision to extend his production into his 30's.

And last couple drafts has sent bigger faster corn. erbacks and cover safety's. And this could be the best draft ever for the cornerback position. Multiple Top end No.2 and even NO.1 cornerbacks are going to come out of round3 and round4 in this draft. So the bar is being raised for receivers and TE's. Not to mention the NFL is moving toward smaller coverage linebackers and even big safety's being converted to linebackers that can cover Zones that receivers normally don't have to account for. 

I took some heat for throwing out the idea of trading our round1 pick for a tackle/guard I believe will be a top5 offensive lineman in the league. The most effective way to counter the better coverage is a dominating offensive line. Allowing the receivers backs and TE's to uncover. To spring the run game and make defenses respect it. Which will help the players doing the catching to have space to get open. I'm not saying we should trade that pick for an offensive lineman because of this being a weak draft for that position. But I do think it is important to place priority on the offensive line. And not only serviceable offensive lineman, but dominant offensive lineman that will allow run game,WR's TE's and receiving backs to do their best stuff.

His ability to get open deep is not on the same level as Mike Williams or John Ross. He's far better as an intermediate threat than a deep threat, and at the NFL level I don't see Davis outrunning DBs to the endzone. He'll get yards after the catch, but he isn't going to leave some safety in his dust. His style of play is much closer to someone like Eric Decker or even Boldin rather than Amari Cooper.

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Im surprised nobody has voted for ross on preference. Tbh i kinda like him. Wouldnt mind him here if the board falls that way

I just think Mike Williams or Barnett would be better picks for us if they're available, but Ross certainly wouldn't be a bad one.

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Then you might like a mock draft on Roto that I just found, ironically has both the WRs we just posted.  Has Godwin in the second for us, that about around his stock price?

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/70855/71/draft-analysis

Mid-second seems alright for grabbing him considering his ceiling. Could be considered a slight reach, but he's a great fit for us. Godwin would be capable of taking over the outside receiver spot across from Perriman while Wallace moves inside to give him some better matchups.

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Flaccos brother threw to Davis as well, was he a replacement qb or something?

Tom Flacco was Terrell's backup. Though he might become the starter now.

3 hours ago, Willbacker said:

So this is the QB that threw to Davis. Do you know of any good footage to look at. Want to look more at Davis also. Already checked out the Wisc game.

Have you checked out Gustafson from Montana at all?

Here's draftbreakdown.com's video of him playing against Northern Illinois:

He got knocked loopy at one point and that effected him for a bit but he seemed to come back strong. I like that he doesn't just force feed his top target and looks for who's in good position. And he's patient. As a side note, he finished this game with completing 75% of his passes, and getting 3 touchdowns.

And here's a general highlights video of Terrell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-OWGxzG3rY

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Weighing in drafting a qb late. 

I haven't been against the idea, I still think mallett in a scenario where we need him to step in for a month and go .500 would let us down, last year I said trevone Boykin or dak Prescott in the 5th could be a move that pays off, but I definitely prefer having Judon. 

I also know that joes time could be over within 4 years, it's unlikely unless he starts getting hurt a lot, but it's possible. And if he doesn't get his footwork together and continues to regress then having a guy waiting in the wings could pay off as well, however, I think it's a much better move to continue building around joe, and chad Kelly is a diva, the stuff with the girl is way overblown but he's still a diva and he's inconsistent as hell, he just isn't the qb I would spend a late pick on. Now if Davis Webb were to fall to the 5th then sign me up, at that point I'd be ok with joe just finishing out his deal here unless he's willing to take an extension that an older player typically gets

For late round/UDFA QBs, I really like Zach Terrell. I think he has all the makings of a good career backup that can keep an offense going if the starter goes down. He seems to understand what he can and can't do very well, and doesn't make mistakes. He had a 70% completion rate, and 33 TDs to only 4 ints. Part of that was helped by having Davis to throw to, but still, he did a great job.

23 minutes ago, BMORE21 said:

i hope we dont draft a Wr in the first round even  if Mike williams, corey davis or john ross turn out to be great nfl wrs. Last great wr to win super bowl was jeryy rice. That means no ring for moss, carter,calvin,owens, julio, fitz etc. All we need are wrs that can play to our QB and system strengths. 

Julio and Fitz got to the Super Bowl and only fell just short. And the Ravens won the super bowl in part because of Boldin's great play.

As for past great receivers to win the Super Bowl: Gronk (he's more of a receiving threat than a blocker), Colston (Saints in general had a top tier receiving core that year), Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, and Hines Ward.

Saying great WRs don't win Super Bowls is just inaccurate. Over the last twenty years the winners (and losers) tended to have some top tier play makers on offense.

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I seriously doubt we pick Mike Williams if it is BPA we're going after. You don't pass up on Jonathan Allen who is of the Haloti Ngata breed to pick Williams imho. If Johnathan Allen is there, we surely pick him over anybody else.

Well, if Allen fell that far, that means teams are terrified that his shoulders won't hold up. If that many teams pass on him, I'd say there's a good reason to be wary.

43 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok, but the injuries are real. And if you acknowledge they're a reason not to take him above 16... why is it so wrong to not want to take him at 16.

He has the injuries for that reason. He's like 5'11", 180lbs. With bad knees.

Speeds the first thing to go with bad knees.

Take away the speed, and the tools arent there to be a #1 WR. 

 

I dont think anyone's hating on him. I recognize he's a good player and may be a play maker. But when i look at everything outside his speed, i see average to pretty good. So if you take him high, you're placing a pretty big investment at that speed -- bc it is what will separate him in the NFL and make him truly dangerous. His ability to separate, get YAC, make big plays - all tied to that speed.

And a guy with 2 bad knee injuries already, makes that big of an investment unwise imo. If you hit the jackpot, great.... if you dont you used the 16th pick to maybe get a Tyler Lockett type player, and if the injuries show up and sap his speed you have a guy who likely isnt serviceable in the NFL.

If he didnt have 4.2 speed, and more like 4.45-4.5 speed - no ones touching him in the top 2-3 rounds.

That I have to disagree with. With 4.5 speed, he'd still be a great route runner with good hands that has a knack for scoring in the redzone. He'd basically be a young Edelman, and still go in the 2nd.

14 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lol ya Barnett all day in this cenario, the picks from 11-15 look very questionable to say the least

Well:
11: The Saints need an all around play maker on defense, and Reddick fits that bill. Though they could go Barnett too.
12: At the end of the day, all the potential in the world gets you nowhere if you don't have a QB. I think the Browns know this.
13: The Cards love having a vertical passing game, but have a 37 year old QB. I'm not a big fan of Mahomes, but they've got good coaches and are in a position where he could sit for a year and work on polishing his mechanics. It makes sense for them, and allows them to have a smooth transition to a new QB after next season.
14: The Eagles lost both their starting corners. They brought in Robinson, but it's not like he can cover both sides of the field and the nickle at the same time. They need corners in the worst way.
15: It's the Colts. They always need o-line help, and he's the best tackle you're probably going to get in this draft.

43 minutes ago, Adreme said:

I mean unless I'm misreading your board I sprint up there to grab Barnett at 16 and am happier for it.

I knew I forgot someone. Yeah, Barnett would also be a top option in this case.

CBS just did a mock. They had one receiver going before the Ravens, Corey Davis, so the Ravens selected Mike Williams. Here's the link so you can see how they came that conclusion: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-run-on-pass-rushers-in-first-round-fournette-goes-in-top-five/

Thought this could make for an interesting thread. Basically, who do you think will go in the top 15, and which one or two guys will be left on the top of the Ravens' board.

Round 1 pick 1: Browns: Myles Garrett, edge

Pick 2: 49ers: Jamal Adams, S

Pick 3: Bears: Marshon Lattimore, CB

Pick 4: Jaguars: Solomon Thomas, DT/DE

Pick 5: Titans: Malik Hooker, S

Pick 6: Jets: OJ Howard, TE

Pick 7: Chargers: Jonathan Allen, DE

Pick 8: Panthers: Leonard Fournette, RB

Pick 9: Bengals: Rueben Foster, LB

Pick 10: Bills: Mike Williams, WR

Pick 11: Saints: Haason Reddick, OLB

Pick 12: Browns: Michael Trubisky, QB

Pick 13: Cardinals: Patrick Mahomes II, QB

Pick 14: Eagles: Quincy Wilson, CB

Pick 15: Colts: Ryan Ramczyk, OT

If this happens, then I think Corey Davis or John Ross will be the pick; it just depends on if the smokescreen was a bluff or a double bluff where DeCosta just told the truth thinking people would think it's a bluff. So, who do you see going ahead of the Ravens?

31 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ya that's where I think they might have finally gotten smart and will have a cowboys like approach for the next few years and take o lineman. I could easily see them taking Lamp or Ramcyzk.

I'm betting on Ramcyzk in the first for them, someone to stop edge rushers. They'll grab a top interior guy later on, like an Elflien or Asiata.

5 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Teams that could take a wr ahead of us for me: titans at 5, jets at 6, chargers at 7, bengals at 9, bills at 10, browns at 12, cardinals at 13, eagles at 15

the titans will entirely be down to whether Adams is gone and whether they think mike Williams is a true number 1, the jets could go wr but they have a roster so devoid of talent that they might go bpa and it may well be a defensive guy given the strength of the draft, the chargers could go after Williams if foster, and both safeties are off the board, bengals should go after a wr because of how much they missed sanu and jones last year but knowing them they won't take one, not only do the bills need a number 2 receiver but with how injury-prone Watkins is they essentially need a number 1 guy, the browns just need playmakers although I still think they pick a qb, cardinals sneakily missed floyd and brown through a mix of injury and suspension last year and Larry fitz is on his way out so they are suddenly very thin at wr (to be fair they are also now incredibly thin on the back end as well and may even take a qb), the eagles have brought in a lot of wrs in free agency and I'd be surprised if mcaffrey and cook aren't serious considerations for them

so after all that I think I agree with you that the titans and bills are the most obvious threats - I'd add the bengals and cardinals as well (if they aren't going qb)

Out of that group, I think the Bills are the only ones that actually take a WR.

43 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

McCaffrey will likely go top 15. Then again he could slip and go after us, but I'm hoping the eagles take him or maybe even the colts. He projects as a dual threat kinda guy due to his great route running and hands. I don't think he would or should get more than 10-12 carries with a lot of split out snaps. 

It'd be funny if the Colts took him. They won't protect Luck by improving their line, and instead just make a rookie running back run behind that same line.

NFL.com compares Davis to Eric Decker, which seems like a good comp to me.

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Fournette to Jags, Cook to Eagles.

I could see the Saints taking him, but they really need defense.

Also, the Colts really need offensive line help, So i can see them taking McCaffery

I see Fournette going to the Panthers. The Saints likely go with Foster, Barnett, or Reddick. Whichever is left on the board when they pick.

I think Williams is the only WR that goes before we pick. The Bills or Eagles will take him. The other teams just have giant needs elsewhere. Granted, the Ross is a good fit for the Cards, but I actually think they go QB or CB. if the top of the draft goes like I'm expecting, the Ravens will have their choice of Ross or Davis at 16.

The only running back I see going in the top ten is Fournette.

Thinking about it more, I'm okay with John Ross as the pick at 16. The guy's TD to catch ratio is insane, especially in the redzone. And unlike a lot of speedsters he is a natural hands catcher, rather than letting the ball hit his chest. The injuries worry me, but if Mike Williams and Barnett are off the board, Ross could be the top guy left on our board.