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20 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Im honestly not sure the Ravens could snag a 3rd with any of the TEs. Maxx probably has the most value but I'm not sure anyone would part with higher than a 4th to get him. 

Move up. Not get a 3rd rounder. Like, Maxx or Gilmore and our 3rd round pick (original or Eagles) for someone else's third round pick. Maybe throw in our 6th round pick to help sweeten the deal.

22 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

My unsourced, crazy hunches:

Leonard Fournette goes at the second pick, whether someone trades up or not. 

Zay Jones goes before Corey Davis. 

Marshon Lattimore is the third CB drafted. 

2 offensive linemen go in the top 10. 

Ravens trade a TE during the draft. 

I would happily trade any TE on the team to move up in the third for someone like Ryan Anderson, Derek Rivers, or Carlos Watkins.

The Ravens will trade up in round 3 to grab a player that they really like.

Carlos Watkins will turn out to be one of the top three defensive tackles in this draft.

The Ravens will draft a WR in the first round.

While these games are notorious for teams reaching and doing dumb things, in a way I kinda like that about them. It puts you in odd situations, which in a way is realistic, and something Ozzie would have to deal with. Like in this case, I was left in a position where OJ Howard was simply the best player available. In real life though, I'd probably use him as trade bait to move back.

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Draftsite.com has us taking:

Derek Barnett

Zay Jones

Carlos Watkins

Sidney Jones

 

with our first 4 picks. I'd be happy with that so long as we sign Mangold. 

That would be a great draft.

17 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Anyone know anything about Tyus Bowser? 

From what I know, he's an extremely athletically gifted guy who is also very unpolished. He's the type that's taken for potential because if he does put it all together he can be a great edge rusher. However he also has the chance to be just another athletic guy that never lived up to his potential.

It's common for people to get hyped for a prospect in the early parts of the draft season and then lose interest in them the more they see them. Who did you really like earlier on and now just aren't really a fan of?

For me, I guess it would be Charles Harris. Initially I wanted him for in the first round, but now I think I'd take Derek Rivers or Jordan Willis over him in the second round. I still think Harris could be decent as the complementary edge rusher but I just don't see him as the instant big impact guy that I initially did. His lack of bend worries me and how easily he can be taken out of the play if the tackle actually gets ahold of him.

I'd be pretty happy with this draft. I think the guys in the first four rounds can be starters for The Ravens, and make an early impact. McDemott at least gives us some more competition for the spot, which is good.

I think I'd have to say Cam Robinson. Not because I think he'll be bad, but if we wanted an interior lineman we could get a lot more value by trading back and grabbing Feeney or Lamp.

Also, Peppers. I just don't see him as some big play maker. He might develop over time, but I don't think he's an instant impact guy.

Carlos Watkins with one of our third round picks would be a day one starter and an upgrade over Jernigan, in my opinion.

4 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I really don't get Humphrey being mocked to the Eagles. I would hope they reach for him but I fully expect him to go late one or early two.

Anyway, a good mock. I do think the third round is optimistic but only slightly and those two would be a superb third round.

I prefer Davis but wouldn't argue against Williams.  One thing that appeals to me is that each player you picked plays with an edge and with fire.

I would double at corner in round six....

Nice.

They badly need a corner and he's rated as one of the best in the draft on most sites so I penciled him in as their pick. It could just as easily be Quincy Wilson or some other first round corner.

I meant to do one of these after the Jernigan trade, but kept putting it off. I'll admit upfront that the third round gave me a lot of trouble since there's a ton of guys I see going in the late 2nd to mid 3rd range. The third round picks could seem optimistic, but I'm going with my gut reaction for who'll be there. And to start, the picks before us:

Pick 1: Myles Garrett

Pick 2: Jamal Adams

Pick 3: Marshon Lattimore

Pick 4: Solomon Thomas

Pick 5: Malik Hooker

Pick 6: OJ Howard

Pick 7: Jonathon Allen

Pick 8: Leonard Fournette

Pick 9: Derek Barnett

Pick 10: John Ross

Pick 11: Haason Reddick

Pick 12: Michael Trubisky

Pick 13: Rueben Foster

Pick 14: Marlon Humphrey

Pick 15: Ryan Ramczyk

Round 1, Pick 16: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

Flacco just seems to do well with physical receivers he can trust to fight for the ball in intermediate routes (Boldin, Mason, SSS, and Pitta for example), and that's exactly what Williams offers. Williams can step in, and be the Mr. Reliable on our offense that'll keep drives alive and help us finish strong with a TD in the redzone. He can also go deep and fight for those 50/50 passes. Even if he doesn't catch the deep pass, he'll make sure the DB doesn't get it. Williams, Perriman, and Wallace would be the best WR core the Ravens have ever had, and we'd always have a mismatch in our favor. Also, on top of that Williams brings big game experience that the Ravens seem to like. He's coming off of a 8 catch, 94 yard, 1 TD championship game against possibly the best defense in college football.

Round 2: Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State

Great power, great leverage thanks to a wrestling background, and played at a high level against top tier competition. Elflein is an immediate impact lineman that will start from day one, and possibly become one of the top ten centers in the NFL. I think he's exactly what the Ravens are looking for in a center. Also, since centers usually don't break the bank he could be a franchise lineman that starts for a solid decade or more for the Ravens.

Round 3 (Eagles): Ryan Anderson, edge, Alabama

My gut tells me that more athletic guys that can possibly get 10 plus sacks a year (Rivers, Willis, etc) leap ahead of Anderson in the draft and it causes him to slide further than he should. Stout for an edge rusher (6'2") and plays even lower giving him a leverage advantage when combined with his long arms. He has the ability to get pressure, and can set the edge well. He can basically be what we wanted Upshaw to become, and someone that can fill Suggs' spot as an every down strongside edge player. Also, funnily enough, the scout quote for his NFL.com scouting report is: "Size is more suited for 4-3 SAM but he could play some rush outside backer in a 3-4. He would fit Baltimore and Pittsburgh as a 3-4 SAM, too." -- NFC area scout.

I really think Anderson, Rivers, Willis, or Alex Anzalone will be here and all of them could be a good fit. Anderson is just the best guy to take over for Suggs and the one I see potentially sliding to this pick.

Round 3: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson

According to PFF: "One of only four FBS defensive linemen with at least 40 combined pressures and 35 defensive stops in 2016." He's quick off the snap, strong, and makes full use of his long arms. He's the perfect replacement for Jernigan, and seems like a perfect fit for the Ravens.

Round 4: Howard Wilson, CB, Houston

Inexperience, lanky, and came out a year too early. But as I said before, he has all the traits you look for. I think in two or three years Wilson can definitely become one of the top five or six CBs from this draft, and can be a good starter. He just needs to be eased into it, and spend a year in an NFL weight room.

Round 5: TJ Logan, RB, UNC

One of the best returners in college football. He's got blazing fast speed and the ability to change directions on a dime.

Gonna skip the 6th round since I really don't know the players that seem like they'll be available here. I guess a small school OT would potentially be good or another special teamer.

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

First off, Mike Williams is 6'3"+ almost 6'4" so dont know where youre getting 6'1" from.

Second.... yea its a transition for an offense like that to the NFL in terms of learning a playbook; but its usually knowing/perfecting the full route tree for receivers thats the issue. Mike Williams can be given a dumbed down, simplified version of routes and just go win. 

Mike Evans, Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins (both Clemson guys), Tyler Lockett, Brandin Cooks (almost purely screens and vertical routes), Keenan Allen, Dez Bryant, Alshon Jeffery, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Demeryius Thomas, Michael Crabtree, etc...

All guys taken pretty early in drafts that were either size/speed box out/jump ball type guys, played in very simple offenses for WR's that didnt require complex route running or trees, or some combination of the two that have been very very good to dominant in the NFL.

I think the mentality that WRs in the first are risky is kind of old fashioned. I would say over the last ten years (maybe even the last twenty) WRs in the first two rounds haven't had a bust rate any higher than average for the draft. Actually, some years they seem to have a bust rate much lower than other positions. Maybe teams are better at scouting them now or colleges are asking them to run more route types, but it's improved a lot over the years. Also, people's perceptions can be clouded by the Ravens' own issues with drafting WRs early.

Right now it seems like athletic edge rushers have the highest bust rate in the early rounds. People get so enamored with the measurables that they forget if the guy is actually capable of dealing with NFL level tackles. Or they over look red flags like a bad work ethic.

3 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

http://m.espn.com/ncf/playercard?playerId=546644&src=desktop

Yeah, that's wrong. The combine measured him at 6'4".

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Davis is faster than williams on tape. I dont care what Williams ran at his 40, Davis looks much faster on tape and it has nothing to do with level of competition. Just like tabor, his 40 time doesnt reflect to his speen on the field

It just seemed like Williams could get more separation downfield. Davis seems to rely more on quick cuts to get separation.

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Davis can run routes, has very good hands, capable of spectacular catches and has speed. 

Williams is just a big guy who can catch.

 

In the NFL a person with Davis' skill set has a way better career.

You have that in reverse. Williams is faster than Davis, and more of a bully when going for the catch. Also, Williams put on great shows against a higher level of competition. Davis is good but Williams is definitely the more talented of the two.

1 hour ago, January J said:

You don't think Pocic will go before Elflein? It is a very weak class.

I think teams will go for Elflien first. Pocic has the problem of being tall for an interior lineman, and thus has leverage issues. He also has subpar strength for an interior lineman. I think he might have to move to guard at the NFL level because he won't be able to matchup with nose tackles, and he's only really a fit for zone blocking schemes.

McShay released a three round mock:

1: Mike Williams

2: Chidobe Awuzie

3 (1): Ryan Anderson

3 (2): Will Holden

I think it's a reach on Holden, and I'd rather try for a center there depending on who was still available. The first three choices would be great.

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Why is Jordan Willis never brought up on here? I used to think it was because hes viewed as a 4-3 DE but after watching his tape i realized he can play in any scheme. His measureables and combine numbers are off the charts as well. Character, motor, polish, athleticism, and production. Why hasnt this kid been mentioned around here!?!?!?! I dont see why hes not worth a first round pick

His tape isn't as good as his combine numbers. He's not that polished and he hesitates at times. And he doesn't have great bend. The potential is there, but he's he's not a sure bet. I'd be pretty happy with him in the third, but I think the second would be too much of a reach.

45 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Caleb Brantly in round 2 @RaineV1 saw your first pick mock. Made me remember his tape

In the actual draft I doubt he makes it to the mid second, but he would be a hell of an upgrade over Jernigan if he's there.

12 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So to those negging my Mock -- is it bc I did something different than take Garret 1st overall, or bc you don't like the picks I project to the Ravens??

If you don't like the picks... why? Dialogue.... feedback.... that's why we post. 

 

And if its just bc "well that won't happen -- Myles Garret is def going #1 idiot!!!".... cool I'll take my negs all day bc who wants to read the same exact Mock. .

I'd rather play with some scenarios that haven't been covered a million times.

Plus... the regurgitated "realistic" mocks hardly ever end up realistic anyways.  

 

Idc about negs... but I did post this for conversation so at least provide the negative feedback along with it, unless you have no opinion and just neg to neg. Thats cool too. 

I gave it an upvote since I think it would be a decent draft. I do worry a bit about how Kpassagnon fits into a 3-4 defense. He might be better as a normal DE for a 4-3. Though that's really the only pick I'm wary of.

I'd love it if the draft happened this way:

Your score is: 13176 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 16: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 15: Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida (B+)
Round 3 Pick 10: Derek Rivers, DE/OLB, Youngstown State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 14: Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado (A)
Round 4 Pick 16: Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (A)
Round 5 Pick 15: Erik Magnuson, OT, Michigan (A)
Round 6 Pick 2: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I like this draft. Im not a big Kpassagnon fan as others are though.

Im also kimd of reluctant to pick a reciever in the first. Id much rather a pass rusher or offensive lineman. Im a firm believer in winning the trenches. I think recievers are just unnecessary luxuries and could be had later. 

Mike Williams is great and all but theres no versatility to the pick. If we go Cam robinson he could play RT or G and if stanley gets hurt you kick him out there. That seems more valuable especially when you could get zay jones, juju, or stewart later on while there really isnt another cam robinson type player in this draft. 

I think Mike Williams would make ten times the impact on our offense than someone like Cam. I like building in the trenches too, but there's no comparison in terms of impact that Williams will have vs any of the first round o-linemen in the draft. And the gap between Williams and the round two receivers is far greater than the gap between Cam and someone like Elflien in the second round. Hell, Elflien is probably a better lineman than anyone we would get in the first.

"Unnecessary luxuries and could be had later." The team has used that mentality for awhile. It hasn't worked well. Remember the time we lost the Patriots in the playoffs because Torrey didn't fight for that jump ball? Or the time we lost to the Patriots in the playoffs because of a dropped touchdown pass? Or the time a Ravens WR dropped a first down pass on fourth down when he was wide open costing us that playoff game as well (I think that one was against the Steelers)? Inconsistent or at times just straight up bad receiver play has cost the Ravens a lot of games over the years, particularly in the playoffs.

Avoiding some of the obvious ones and going a bit deeper into the draft:

Pat Elflien

Tarik Cohen

Ryan Switzer

Josh Jones

Howard Wilson

Derek Rivers

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Question.... except for Myles Garret, who is your favorite prospect, or if you had a choice of any one player who would it be out of guys like:

Adams

Hooker

Barnett

M Williams

C Davis

Allen

Thomas

Lattimore

Fournette

Foster 

Howard

 

Curious... like if we had pick #2.

I'd have to go with Adams. He just seems to have that x factor that draws out the best of the people that play with him. Really reminds me of Weddle in that regard.