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1 hour ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

I have faith in Urschel. Call me crazy but I think he can handle it. The guy is clearly smart enough to understand the mental demands of center. Physically he is slightly undersized at 300lbs but intelligence and quickness can counter that.

I actually like urschel a lot as a player and a guy but not as a starter. So if you insist "Crazy" lol

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I believe the reason Mangold left without a contract simply has to do with money. I believe he's healthy to play which is a great thing. He will become the second coming of Matt Birk and protect the pocket space behind center for Joe to operate in. Will be a great signing if it happens.

I think we showed our cards waaaay to early by trading zuttah and now Mangold is calling our bluff! His agent knows that we are desperate and that never helps when negotiating for a contract.

why did we have to trade zuttah away to move up 12 picks in the 6th round?!

10 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Round 1. Ryan Ramczyk -T- Wisc

Round 2. Tm Williams- OLB-Bamma

Round 3. Ju Ju Smith-Schuster- WR-USC

Round 3. Cam Sutton- CB-Tenn

Round 4. De De Westbrook -WR-Okla

Round 5. Ejuan Price- OLB-Pitt

Round 6. Levon Myers-OT- Northern Illinois

Great idea! Let's talk about anything other than the tough pill to swallow in Jernigans trade lol. Heck il bite coz I love ur comment.

if we somehow land all four that you listed then Ozzie and Decosts get an A+ in the whole offseason regardless of what happens with the last 3 picks. The best LT, a great Pass rusher (Suggs JR), and a fantastic Boldin type of WR in Ju Ju.  I'm a huge fan of all 3. That's winning right there! I'd disagree with sutton as I hope a few better options being there when it's time to pick. 

only problem is.... It's very optimistic to think the top 3 you listed are there when we pick. 

20 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

This is a myth of course. Go check the time of possession from 2016. Offense is on the field 51% of the time.

Basically an equal split. That's not good compared to good teams, of course, but 30 of the 60 minutes a game is the more accurate number.

Well time of possession is not necesarrily a great indicator if one ignores every other statistic avaliable. Our offense was amongst the worst in time per possession, yards per drive, and points per drive.

51% is not so great when you consider that our defense was amongst the best at forcing Punts. 

Just look at the NE game and you'll see how time of possession is misleading along with other stats. Keep in mind that our defense had to stop Tom Brady 14 times! It's really no surprise they put up 30. We scored 23 points yaaay. But in reality, 14 of those points were when the offense started deep in NE territory so it could have been a loooot worse. Yes we led in time of possession that game but we scored less than 2 points per possession. Teams don't win many games with that. It's even worse if you consider that the muffed punt return yielded 7 points or it would have been even worse.

we can debate and argue stats all day and al week if you like. The bottom line is. Our offense didn't do enough to sustain drives. When our defense played lights out the offense didn't put games away and when our defense got exposed, the offense couldn't be counted on to stop the bleeding.

Also Pees reverting to vanilla play calling the last 5 mins of games helps no one and I hope that changes ASAP 

12 hours ago, BMoreDuck said:

Let's take a guy who likes to carry weed and guns around with him...in college. Sounds logical. A guy with a gun cruising around Baltimore sounds like a great plan. There is no denying his talent and he would be an excellent fit on the right bookend, but I think he is too risky of a pick at 16. 

Is it risky to take a guy that's stupid enough to smoke half a gram of weed in his car with 3 friends. Yeah I won't argue that part. I'd like to reduce the risks when drafting someone with our first round pick. I just like you to know he's not the first or last college kid to have weed with him or someone in his car. Your critisim here is fair.

On the other hand, your narrative of "a guy with a gun cruising around in Baltimore" is such a misinformed, ill advised, ignorant, statement.. It's actually a bit insulting when you say it like anyone with a gun is gonna drive around shooting at kids or something. i don't mean to insult you in any way but I have to elaborate because some people are going to read your statement and may belive the narrative you may have implied. 

There are almost 300 million guns in America. It's estimated that a quarter of Americans own one. Some keep it in the garage, others in their car, and some carry it with them all the time. I'm not one that owns a gun because Iv never felt the need for one. But I certainly understand and respect why some people feel the need to carry one. Next time you go to a restaurant with 40 people sitting. Know that at least 4 of them have a gun on them. Depending on the state, city, and neighborhood, that number could go up to 50%. As a matter of fact, it gave me comfort as a student in college knowing that at least A few of my classmates had guns on them. Of course I wouldn't be if I knew who they were but that's why it's against the law to say it or even allow your gun to be visible. 

1 hour ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Read the facts. Cam didn't have weed or a gun. One of the guys that was in the backseat, stashed it under the seat (when he left). When the cops showed up, the passenger actually turned the gun over to the police immediately. It's why the DA dropped all charges. You think a Louisiana cop is gonna give a break to an Alabama player? If you get pulled over for speeding in Pittsburgh with a MD tag & a Ravens bumper sticker - you're not getting off with a warning......

I honestly don't know the laws in Luisiana but I can only assume that the half gram was legal because there were 4 people in the car and two of them went home. If it was a non tolerant state like Florida then all 4 would have been arrested and the least they get off with is community service. I can't defend Robinsons stupidity because if you wanted to smoke weed then just turn on the damn TV and order pizza for all I care. If Robinson falls to the end of the first or even the second round the. He absolutely deserves it for being an ideot.

to be fair on the gun part, I read a few conflicting reports so it's hard to say what happened exactly. It looks like both driver and passenger had guns concieled and to their credit, they told the officer something like "hey my hands are up but I wanted to let you know that I have a gun so this doesn't get weird" then went on to point the gun out and handed it over to the cops. I think that's actually a smart thing to do. That is absolutely a no story

13 minutes ago, Crusader said:

"Arians said he was “shocked by the money.” Says it all.

Come on man, it sound like your hating on the guy? You make it seem like your paying that extra million out of your own pocket lol

49 minutes ago, JD08 said:

There's no way Lattimore falls to us, I don't even know why they even asked that guy lol. Wouldn't mind us getting a big WR instead of John Ross, not really sold on him. Hope Reuben Foster slips down to us, unlikely but he would fit right in, then we can slide Correa to the OLB slot where he is more comfortable

I suppose it's to give the impression that heck we could trade up if someone falls lol 

john Ross at 16 would be a horrible reach! Especially when we already have 3 deep threats and no chain mover.

Ruben Foster and CJ wound be the best Linebacking duo the NFL has seen since browman and Willis took the 49ers to a SB. Correa, Judon, and Suggs could make a nice trio splitting snaps

2 hours ago, Tenacious Faulker said:

It would be a coup to land Derek Barnett, Corey Davis, or Mike Williams. I don't anticipate them being around at 16, but stuff happens. All it takes id for perhaps 2 curve balls early in the draft and someone gets a steal. That said, practically speaking, I'm not sold on John Ross. He has the speed, but is a raw route runner with questionable hands. If they don't have veteran in place (or at least a plan to nab one before preseason) then I'd prefer they take Christian McaCaffery who plays like a Raven, has a high football IQ and would be a day one starter as a utility player. Despite being RB, he tried out as a WR at his Pro Day Best part is that he's looking like a early to mid-20 overall pick (high 2nd round at worst) so I think they could trade back to get him and land another pick or two.

Those two curve balls are the QBs taken ahead of us. Every mock that has 2 QBs and a TE picked in the top 15 lands us a potential game breaker.

on the flip side, if teams don't feel desperate and pass on QBs then we're stuck in no mans land 

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If I asked you to explain to me what QB rating is even what it means, you couldn't do it.

And that's why NFL teams don't take joke statistics like that seriously, and why fans shouldn't either.
 

Absolutely true. Stats almost never tell the full story. On the flip side, every once in a while someone will jump up and yell out something like "Joe threw for 4000 yards. How's that a bad season" and in just kill me when Joe himself would admit that he had a prity tough year all around

17 hours ago, sticks999 said:

I just read that the Ravens have set up a meeting with Mike Williams. Yes!!!!

Iv been saying all offseason that WR is not as much of a need as fans may think. We have a 1K WR and a 1st rounder developing finely. But if Wallace is there at 16 then you close your eyes, thank your stars, and take him with no regrets at all!

im sorry to say this but Ross would be a reach at 16.

9 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Rice was our last great RB to date.

 

Man, if only someone published a video of Fournette working a bong hours before the draft...

Hahaaaaahaaa good one.... Touché 

4 hours ago, sami said:

If youre gonna take this guy, you could trade back, get another pick or two and still grab this guy or the center from Ohio State.

Absolutely. If he's the best player on your board then why not trade back. I'm still holding on to the hope that one of the top 12 players falls to us. I'm also hoping we sign a Mangold or trade for a proven C for everyone's sake. I hate rookie Centers

Mosley is a baller! It fells like it was yesterday when so many people were all over Ozzie and Defosta for taking a MLB 17 overall when we had D.Smith.

they said Mosley was a top 5 talent and boy was he. I love me some CJ and hope he remains a Raven for years to come

7 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

The bottom line is that you've completely missed the point, or are purposely ignoring it. Regardless of Flacco's performance last year or where the the defense ranked, they blew numerous games by sucking bad late and not finishing. It's likely that the Ravens were in the playoffs if that did not happen. 

Oh wowza!!!

you really had to go that far.....

Had the defense not played as good as they did last year then we would have lost every game by 2 TDs or more! The offense failed to finish drives every game and failed to sustain drives on a regular basis...

now the defense is the reason why we missed the playoffs?!

like you, I desire more from our Defense but if we have to point a finger at someone then it's obvious where you should point it. Il give you those 3 games but then il ask you about the remaining 13.... I think we would have made the playoffs with 13 wins...

the defense forced more 3 and outs than anyone. That means our offense had more opportunities to score than anyone and in return they just gave the ball back forcing our D to make more and more and more stops untill eventually the broke! 

At one point in the season, our offense averaged the third least points per possession and the two teams behind us were SF and CLE. 

16 hours ago, Orange_Peanut said:

KO was not the same KO that we know today, he was above average at best because he was hurt all the time, so Urschel is comparable. Jensen is an average center but it should work out. Worse comes to worst, put Jensen at G and Urschel at C.

The leadership will never be at that level, but Weddle and Suggs are doing a pretty darn good job in my opinion. The addition of Jefferson will also boost the confidence and swagger of the secondary. CJ is another up-and-coming guy after he takes Correa under his wing. My gut feeling also tells me that Dumervil returns. Flacco, Yanda and a grown-up Wallace will take on the leadership roles on the offensive side of the ball.

I agree 100 percent with your second paragraph. But your first paragraph breaks my heart....

KO was a great raven! He hurt his back once and missed 9 games. He's never missed more than 2 games every other season that he didn't get a disc in his back. He's no more or less injury prone than Jensen or urschel. As far as his play, he was light years better than those two. It's not even fair to put Jensen, urschel, and KO in the same sentance.

It really hurts me when fans just go overboard the minute a player leaves Baltimore forgetting all the good times and plays he made.

you can regret him leaving or hate that he left and that's debateable because in hindsight we also got a 3rd round comp in return. What you can't do is deny how great he was as a Raven...

1 hour ago, cushrinada1986 said:

So I assume that means we are going Pass Rusher 1st round or 2nd. No WR until much much later. Wonder if the Ravens still get Sidney Jones. He is out for the season plus will need another season to catch up to speed, isnt Carrs contract setup to be a 1-2 year deal anyway?

I'd celebrate if we landed him in the second. I might cry if we take him 16 overall lol

1 hour ago, mendii said:

I guess I see Carr as an upgrade over Shareece but I not as a huge upgrade in general. He is a good player, and solidifies the position, but if Jimmy gets hurt and he's our #1 guy for multiple weeks I'm less confident than you are. As for DE, I'm pretty sure we only have two on the roster as of right now, Kaufusi and Urban. We can play Timmy out there, but he's naturally a DT. 

I was surprised we didn't make an attempt to keep Ducasse as well, I thought he was really solid guard depth for us, especially considering the fact that the FO seems to like the idea of Lewis at tackle to replace Wagner. I would be very okay with your draft strategy on offensive linemen, 3rd/4th/ and 5th round offensive linemen is where our scouts make their money.

I also remember Gradkowski at center... never again.  

I still think Carr is a huge upgrade as he could start on 30 other NFL teams while Shareece will struggle to make a squad. But we can agree to disagree

amen to a lineman 3rd 4th and 5th. 2 can pan out and the third can jump off the highest building for all I care. Absolutely agree on our scouts doing great with late picks on the line. But they're not 100% and Gino was the evidence lol

regrding DE, we also have Davis and Henry who we took in the third and 4th rounds. I'd also like to see Judon play DE on obvious passing downs. I think he'd have a McPhee kind of effect inside on passing downs.

19 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

My issue with Jernigan is that, while he has actually been consistently very good against the run, he hasnt ever been the consistent pass rushing presence that we need on the inside.

And we cant pay 2 guys a premium to just be run stuffers.... especially when our UDFA Pierce showed, albeit in a very small sample size, that he can be just as good against the run with equally inconsistent flashes as a pass rusher. If anything, Pierce might deserve more of an opportunity set to show if he can bring more of an interior pass rush.

 

And guys that played better than Jernigan in that price range -- I imagine itd be pretty easy; just look at other guys on rookie deals too. Chris Jones ($700k) is one, Beau Allen ($700k) Danny Shelton ($1.4m), Arik Armstead, Deforest Buckner, Aaron Donald ($1.8m), Dominique Easley ($1.7m), Sheldon Richardson last year (1.6m), Kawann Short last year...

I could go on... but its kind of a silly premise. You're basically asking which DL also on rookie contracts are better than Jernigan. And there are quite a few better or just as good, imo.

The real question is, how many DT's who were drafted for their interior pass rushing ability, but have never shown an ability to consistently apply pressure are in demand. I dont think hes ever ranked in the Top 50 in PFF's pass rush productivity for DL's. 

As much as I like Jernigan, want him here, and hold out hope he can still put it together -- part of me believes Michael Pierce can easily be 80% of Jernigan for a fraction of the cost.... and has more time to surpass him.

I still don't understand why you think Jernigan is that bad at getting to the QB. He had 13 sacks in 3 years including his rookie year. In comparison, Ngata has 29 in all his seasons to date and no one can say he's wasn't one of the best at getting to the passer. In comparison, Suh only averages 2 more sacks per year than Jernigan. And Pierce doesn't even play the same position.  You can't compare a 4-3 DT to a 3-4 DE to a NT that had 2 sacks. it's kind of Apples and oranges. 

The guys you mentioned are all on rookie deals so that goes hand in hand with what I'm trying to prove. It's a bargain when you have a rookie outperform his contract by that much. Also your numbers are a bit off but that's not the issue here. My issue is that a guy like Buckner was a top ten pick and Donald is about to make close to 20 mil a year. Jernigan if we're lucky should stay for 8-12 depending on how good or bad he plays this year. Oh we also don't have another first round pick to replace Jernigan.

ok I went off and I'm sorry it's all over the place but you kind of took me there with those comparisons lol.

just simply put. You say we can't pay a premium for two guys on the line then hate the fact that Jernigan isn't putting up 10 sacks and those guys really get paid premiums. Pierce is not a DE so that's not even a solution. I also would like to see more of Pierce but also keep in mind that he faded even more.

ugh in Ozzie I trust lol

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. You're pretty much the only person I know who thinks Lewis didn't show promise at LG. Frankly, when he played and actually played LG, I thought he was easily one of the better lineman on the field. He got moved around a decent amount and got injured, but was pretty clear to me that he did a better job at LG than LT. Obviously LT is a harder position to play, but I didn't like his athleticism at T at all, and I think he sticks at LG.

2. We know nothing about the draft class and how good any group of positions are in it. All this talk about strong positions and weak positions is purely based on what some mock draft analyst says... of which they whiff a TON on perceptions vs realities. There's entire websites devoted to showing how awful some of these NFL teams would be if they drafted the players that some of your more popular "analysts" thought they should have drafted.

On an annual basis, there's a position or even group of positions that's perceived as "weak", and yet, that group or position churns out several high quality NFL players.

In particular, when it comes to discussing drafting an interior lineman or even a RT, we're probably not discussing that in the first round anyway, and there isn't a person I know who's done enough research on mid-round prospects to have any vague clue as to whether they will be good players or not. 

I'm far more worried about finding a Center then I am about finding a RT. You can have a below average RT and still have a very good offensive line, because the line is five players working together, not a bunch of good individual players. Most of the good offensive lines throughout the league, save for maybe the Cowboys or Raiders, have one or two very good lineman and the rest are average to slightly above average at best.

You made a lot of valid points. I absolutely agree that I'm more worried about C than anything else.

RT is a tough position to play obviously but one can argue it's the easiest because there's always a TE right next to you and Yanda on your left. Wagner was at his best when Gilmore lined up next to him. Just sayin

I also agree that we already have a solid foundation in Lewis, Stanley, and Yanda. Most teams would love to have those 3 and fill in the gaps around them. my biggest issue is that Flacco needs an elite Oline. Over the past 9 years, his play has been up and down. He's made bad receivers look better and good receivers look bad. some good RBs underperformed and some bad RBs overachieved. It's been a mix of a million different factors and I'm not here to argue any of them. The one consistant thing that Iv seen from Flacco is that he plays better than expected with a great line and a lot worse that we bargained for when hs line is shaky.

theres absolutely no shame in admitting that our QB is  Rodgers, Brees, Brady and maybe Wilson and Luck are QBs that can put up respectable stats with patched up lines but most NFL QBs struggle. I honestly believe an Elite line is more important than an elite WR or an elite RB 

On March 29, 2017 at 3:27 PM, RaineV1 said:

I think people over estimate Jernigan's value. He tends to disappear for long stretches at a time and lost playing time to Carl Davis. He has moments of being good, but he's not a great player, or someone that you build your defense around.

When did he lose playing time to Davis?!

and i honestly don't get it with you guys. he showed flashes of greatness. And at times he wasn't as great but he's beyond just good.

if he plays as good as those flashes all the time then he would demand 20 mil a year and then people would say he's too expensive.

Jernigan is a perfect example of a player you sign to a second contract because there's a good chance he outplays it and his floor is not too bad. Then you can get rid of him once his guaranteed money is up or keep him if he elevated his game.

as a second rounder hes outplayed that tag and as a player that's getting about a million per year he's defiantly worth every penny.

find me one player in the league for 1.5 mil that played better than Jernigan....

Il wait....

Mark freakin Trestman!

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

He's not going to give us a 3rd comp pick. KO did only because he became one of the highest payed players at his position and made the probowl.

Look at it in a glass half full way. If he plays great then we get a really good cheap season and land a third round comp for sure. If he plays like he has been playing which isn't bad at all then we have a great chance of retaining him on a team friendly contract. 

10 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think there is where your perception of what our needs were was misguided. 

One key thing I'm seeing on this board that has recently become popular... fans aren't listening to what the FO tells them. Too many fans think the FO is being deceptive or lying to everybody. They're not.

The FO told you that they wanted to add multiple corners. They added Carr, and are fully expected to add one in the draft. They told you they wanted to get younger at Safety. Hello Tony Jefferson, goodbye Webb.

Other things they said... beef up the Offensive line. We kind of knew this wasn't something that was likely to happen in FA, because we knew we needed a Center and a RT. Neither position yielded much in FA whatsoever, and we knew that going in. Again, seems like a very strong sense of addressing this in the draft or with players already on the roster.

The only position I've seen so far where I expected the FO to address in FA and didn't was WR, and that was likely due to some of the outrageous prices of possession WRs in this class.

In terms of pass rushers, again, the FO already gave us a clue as to their stance... its not as important to them as it is to fans. They like some of the guys we have already, and they don't feel that its a drastic need. Will we still add one? Of course, because we do just about every year.

I think its key that fans invest more time in LISTENING. These issues have been addressed publicly already, and if people listened to what they told us, a lot of their priorities have been addressed or covered already, and some of them aren't in sync with what fans think the priorities are or should be.

Great post. I rarely agree with everything on such a long post but this indeed is one. 

B.Marshall was the only WR that made sense at his price range. I would have loved it if the Ravens traded a 7th or 6th to ensure landing him but then it became clear he wanted to stay in NY.

i was surprised when Zuttah was traded for peanuts. My only logical explanation was that our FO were signing someone with that cap space but we have yet to see that happen. 

7 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Indeed. 9/10 of my suggestions would probably bomb.

 

though I will say. It's better than a lot of fans here

 

ef u no wut eye meen

I know exactly what you mean. It comes from passion. And yes your suggestions are a looooot better than some.

like you, I'm extreemly dissapointed that we havnt yet addressed Oline but I wouldn't go as far as "I'm sick and tired of our FO neglecting the offense." 

In fact, most of our cap the past few years has been on offense. Also our 1st rounders the past two years have been WR and LT. Keep in mind that our Marquee FA signings the past two years  have also been offense. 

Have faith bro. Over the past two years, Ozzie is doing great. Decosta is doing great. I hate to say this but the real problem was bringing in Trestman. The bigger problem was retaining his services and bringing guys to fit his system. Which really was no system. 

7 hours ago, mendii said:

i guess in that situation you'd use hurst and lewis as your tackles, yanda at guard, and then hope jenson and urschel will be okay in the middle. I see the issue here. I'm not opposed to bringing a veteran in by any means, but I still like the perimeter talent in this draft too much to go with OL with our first 2 picks. Our CB depth also leaves us with a disaster waiting to happen if an injury occurs, same with the WRs, DE, and OLB.  

I forgot about Nesbot and Wesley, if either of them can play we can move Lewis inside and have them at RT, still not great, but better. 

I agree 100 percent with the amount of perimeter talent in the top end of this draft.

i also agree that if we lose a WR or OLB then we're in a pickle. But keep in mind that Judon is not too shabby himself and Suggs is still a baller. We're not where we want to be but it could be a lot worse. Also when it comes to WRs, we have a 1000 yard receiver and a 1st rounder that picked up really well last year. We also have a few good pass catchers in our TEs so it's not horrible. Yes it could be better and injuries could make it harder but at least we have a starter and a #2 guy

i completely disagree in terms of CB. If we draft a CB in the first round, there's no guarantee he even starts because of the depth we have. Call me crazy but I think we have one of the best secondaries in the NFL and thus we can draft someone to develop. If Jimmy goes down it'll hurt for sure but Carr can handle his own without having to change our scheme to help him. Young is also a stud so it's not like we'll have young on #1 WRs and Shareece on #2s

DE also a position of strength on this team if we keep Jernigan.

now let's look at our line. We were already bad as a unit and lost 2 players that each made a pro bowl the past two years. We all remember how bad it was when we lost 2 or 3 guys last year so let's not start next year at our worst. Heck Ducase who our FO decided wasn't worth keeping actually beat hurst and urschel to the starting lineup. It would terrify me if Hurst and Urschel are anything better than 7 and 8 in the depth chart (they are currently 4 and 5). I see OLine as the priority right now because both the passing and run game will fail unless we fix this. 

im not calling for a lineman in the first two rounds but if we don't get a lineman then I hope we take two linemen in the next 3 picks.

also as you mentioned. I really hope we sign at least one good FA lineman before the draft and I'd prefer that be a C. I remember like it was yesterday how bad our line was when a rookie made the calls up front. 

Oh and you probably forgot about Nesbot and Wesley for a good reason lol