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4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, if you want Mahomes, you'll have to use a day 1 or day 2 pick to get him.

Most importantly, you're only going to be able to roster two QBs in a season, because you only get 53 roster spots and they are precious. So unless you want your rookie QB out there playing ST and trying to run down opponents, we're only carrying two.

We don't draft a QB to compete with Flacco for the same reasons that every other team in the league who has a franchise QB doesn't draft a QB to compete.

They use a day 3 pick on a guy they hope can become a decent backup.

If the intention is to compete for a job then no. No rookie is gonna come in to push Flacco for his job.

If the intention is having a solid backup on a cheap rookie deal then yes. It's not that out of the ordinary to see teams invest high draft picks on QBs when you have a franchise QB.

Saints drafted a QB in the third two years ago and the Chargers took took Eli/Rivers when they had Breese. A.Rodgers was drafted in the first when Favre was the starter. Brady has a second round QB sitting on the bench. P.Manning had a third rounder in Brock oswiler backing him up for 3 years. Dak Prescott was drafted in the fourth with Romo the starter ad Cousins was drafted in the third when the franchise QB was RG3

I think that's a good enough list for you to recognize that it's not as simple as taking a day 3 guy and hoping he becomes a good backup.

14 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Onwuasor** pretty sure is how it's spelled. 

And to your point he was earning defensive snaps as the year went on. Yea it still requires a big leap to project a breakout year for him, but it's not solely based on the training camp skirmishes like the other poster suggested. 

If a rookie UDFA Safety that's a converted WR is getting defensive snaps at LB on a top 10 ranked defense in the NFL -- the kid is a football player. Period. 

I picked him as my surprise guy to make the roster and have an impact last year, and I'd say he accomplished that. 

And honestly, barring Foster dropping to us at 16 or us signing an obvious FA upgrade, Onwuasor is probably in the competition with Correa and Levine for that starting ILB job along with a draft pick or UDFA. 

Dont be completely shocked if he wins it either. 

I'd be pleasantly surprised if he does win it. Also il def give you credit for calling it a year ago when none of us could even spell his name. Oh wait we still can't lol

in all seriousness, Levine is probably a just a backup. A really good one at that but he's probably a third down guy if he earns it. "Onwuasor" won't be competing with Levine.

to solidify your point, Onwuasor won't need to do too much with Mosley next to him, Wedle and Jefferson behind him, and Bwill in front of him. That mean streak got him in some trouble but il gladly take it if he strikes fear in WRs running inside.

20 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

The Webb deal is fantastic.

 

There are several possibilities now.

 

1. We can move Jefferson down to ILB on nickle/dime packages while Webb plays safety. Allowing Jefferson to cover TEs(something he does very well), and having two good safeties over the top

2. Webb can play slot CB when Jimmy goes down. Tavon proved he's more than capable of holding his own on the outside. Webb provides much needed depth and veteran experience.

3. 3 safety sets could be a thing now. We use a third safety a lot in the rotation, and Webb would still be playing a lot.

 

All in all I think it is safe to say we have the best safety core in the entire league. We need to go draft an edge rusher and I like the direction of the defense 

 

Well said. Our sub packages are going to be amazing. Our players can blitze from any situation. Last but not least, we can handle injuries if they come. We were lucky last year but if history is an indicator then you eventually will play without one of your starting safeties sooner or later so we are prepared for that as well.

to whoever mentioned his 3.5 mil a year salary as steep. Just keep in mind that K.Lewis and K.Arrington were scheduled to make 2.5 a piece so we're good.

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah I'm not really into the X beat Y so X is a better player stuff. Film does a lot to debunk those kinds of things. For instance cam shut out Garrett, and Barnett had one sack against him, but the stats don't tell the story because Barnett absolutely dominated cam and Alabama ran a good game plan to avoid him. If Alabama had traditional drop back passes and ran across the whole front then Barnett would've had the game of the year against the top OT in the nation.

I'm actually surprised you'd say that. Of course I don't look at X beat Y but when it comes to linemen, i look at the top guys he went against and I like to see how they do against each other. I don't care what Cam did againsts mideocre pass rushers but I do care about how he looks against future NFL pass rushers. 

Of course stats don't say the complete story but I specifically look for plays after he gets beat. How he reacts when he has no help or how he reacts when he's caught off guard. Stuff like that. And when it comes to linemen, you have to look at every single snap. Like you mentioned. Stats are so deceiving at times. 

6 hours ago, fluffy201 said:

Correa has the size, and if he can run with te's and add some speed in the middle that would be great. They really do need to find what position he is best suited for and stick with it rather than try him at various positions. Hopefully he comes into his own this year. I'll try to stay optimistic. He has the big tackles in front to let him roam free, and we really locked up the secondary, I am actually really impressed. One of the biggest weaknesses and now one of the biggest strengths. Still worried about the O line. Really like to see them get a tackle in the first and possibly the best center in the second. If they can build a dominate offensive line, the Ravens should be pretty good team next year.

What happened to your optimism?! If we draft like last year and address the Oline like we have addressed other positions this offseason then I'd say this team should be dangerous

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

To be clear. I don't compare cam to Martin, Martin was justifiably a top 10 talent, cam belongs in the teens. 

And cam beat Garrett because Garrett went in with no attack plan and looked foolish. He overcommitted the edge every snap and Garrett never had any intention of countering inside. That's why Barnett had him on skates, because he brought an arsenal.

If that's how you justify it then I'm not debating that. Great post

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i dont see how anyone ever saw hhim as a LT. MAYBE a RT, but as a guard he definitely projects best. 

and i will take an elite G or C at 16 all day. zack martin was one of the best value picks in the 2014 draft after ODB and donald

Well he played LT at Alabama and handled Garrett prity well. That's probably why people had him top 10 before the combine.

great point, that's big praise when you call cam elite and compare him to Zack Martin 

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

cam robinson at 16 to play LG and sliding lewis to RT would seriously be the best move unless lewis is absolute garbage at RT. he is just ok at guard and doesnt seem to offer as much powerful push up front as we would like.

A few months ago Cam was considered a top 10 talent because his film screamed Pro Bowl LT. Then he had a rough combine and evaluators started saying stuff like he'd be a great RT so he started falling on mocks. Now there's serious consideration of just sliding him inside and utilizing his strength. Add some off field stuff surfacing. Thus he's fallen as low as mid second round in some mocks.

I'd love it if we somehow land him in the second. I'd find it hard to justify using the 16th overall on a LG  

3 minutes ago, ByTheBay said:

Good news is they still have time to develop. Didn't Max put up the best numbers for a rookie TE in franchise history? I know it wasn't anything to write home about but the potential is there. He has to work hard and rise to the top. It's still possible. Hopefully Correa takes the next step this year and locks down the spot next to Mosley for many years to come. It's a lot of pressure but he will have the opportunity to succeed. Also excited to see what Bronson will bring to the table this year. Could be another surprise player. Last years draft class has the potential to be historical. 

Absolutely, Maax showed a lot of promise but injuries have hindered his development. I also loved seeing Gilmore in action and hope beyond hope that those two can stay healthy as take that next step. 

Im also extreemly excited to see what  Kafusi has to offer but I don't want to get too hyped then get my heart broken.

All three of those guys listed are not the FO fault but just bad luck. 

Correa on the other hand scares the heck out of me. I think he can be a top pass rusher in this league but don't get why we are trying to convert him to ILB.

out of those 4. I just want 2 to pan out and I'm good lol 

Well if teams seem like theyr using the same cheat sheet then that makes them predictable and should be advantage to us.

Wev don't great by drafting small school guys and betting on them taking the next step. Like B.Williams and Judon in later rounds. Wev also done a pritty nice job taking a conservative best player avaliable in the first round.

Second round is where our calculated risks havnt necesarrily panned out. Still hoping Correa and Max williams would have done us wonders if they turned out to be like Jernigan at least but heck, you can't have it all.

Glad to have Webb back. We officially have a top 5 secondary that can handle injuries as they come. 

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tavon isn't just short though, he's a little guy in general. Those guys for the most part are short but still broad, young plays the ball well against guys big and little, but the size thing showed up when he tried to tackle dez and got rolled 10 yards downfield into the end zone. That wasn't a ballskills and height thing, that was him just being too little in general. 

I think tavon is gonna be a stud though, don't get me wrong, I see a league best slot corner with him, but as a #1 I don't think he'll hold up nearly as well. Still good, but facing those big powerful guys he's gonna have troubles

I agree, he certainly would struggle against 6"3 WRs. If Young young keeps improving like he did last year then he might matchup better against smaller guys like Odell, stills, a.Brown, and those elusive WRs. Jimmy can handle the bigger guys and he usually does great against them. 

22 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

I think Webbs release had more to do with the 5.5 mil in cap savings when Jefferson became a viable option. I don't think that our FO saw Safety as an urgent need when the season ended but couldn't resist having a guy in Jefferson who they really liked and could afford by releasing Webb.

Well turns out we still have cap space and Webb is avaliable. Heck why not bring him back? He'd be the best backup in the NFL and would get some playing time when we lay 3 deep. 

Weddle and Jefferson are a Ferrari and Webb is their full coverage insurance lol

1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

Always felt that if Camp could stay healthy... that he could be good.... I am just not convinced that he can stay healthy. However... good signing.... little risk with possible high reward...

Contracts like that can make a team!

Great post!

As much as the Jernigan trade hurt me, there still is light at the end of the tunnel. Between Kafusi, Davis, Henry, and Urban. We have two third rounders and two fourth rounders that have had some time to develop. I expect Judon to get some snaps as a DE on obvious passing downs. Pierce will also get some playing time next to Bwill on obvious run downs and goal line situations. Add whoever we draft or pickup via FA and we still have a stacked interior!

its gonna be war for playing time between our interior guys as Bwill is the only guaranteed starter. Indeed it is time to step up!

47 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

We have a ton of talent - but we have the fewest draft picks in recent memory. Don't expect Ozzie to give up any of them in trades for players.

Dodnt be surprised. After all, Ozzie passed up on getting more picks twice to move up in a specific round.

if this means anything, then it means Ozzie doesn't want 11 picks this year as we don't have enough roster spots to keep them all.

not saying lets trade for Richardson but don't cancel out the possibility of a trade just yet

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. No, its irrelevant to YOU, because you fail to comprehend why its so important

2. That makes no sense. Again, if we know we have zero interest in him being our Center next year (which its clear we didn't), then we gain nothing by hanging on to him. Even if we never sign or draft anybody, he's still a goner. Delaying benefits the Ravens in no possible way.

3. Ignoring the hilariousness of anybody thinking the Pro Bowl is an indication of how good a player is, Gino was here just two years ago. So saying that Zuttah is the best Center we've had in a whopping 2-3 years, considering how bad Gino was, is pretty comical.

There's a difference between being a good Center and being a Center that is better than Gino. You're correct that the latter is accurate, but literally nobody that watched Zuttah play this past year thought that he played well. The Baltimore Ravens certainly didn't, since he's no longer here.

If you think we're getting a better offer AFTER the draft, you're delusional. All the draft does, by definition, is reduce the market for veterans that aren't signed at that time.

1- your missing my point. Don't force a trade! We could have kept him and released him draft day for all I care

2- I know he was a goner but bu releasing him you tell everyone that your desperate. Again your missing my point. Keep him so you don't have to over pay for whoever you bring. If someone offered us a 5th then yes you capitalize on the value. We forced a trade to move up 8 picks in the 6th round?! That's not necesarry. I would have been ok with cutting him for nothing the day we sign his replacement (draft or FA)

3- its called sarcasm. Of course I only brought up Gino as a joke, you didn't have to write two paragraphs lol

again it's not about getting a better offer as much as not showing your cards since the trade was really worthless. Cutting him a month later wouldn't have changed anything in out approach in FA but it might have given us leverage to trade for a lineman. Or sign someone in FA. Now we seem desperate and that's my concern. I honestly hope you get my point this time..

21 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

My money is on pass rusher or receiver. 

Only of the top 2 are still on the board

 Starting to lean towards drafting a CB of one of the top 2 are available in the first round.

if not, wait till the third because we have two good picks and the quality from the 5th best to the 15th best CB are almost identical.

so many guys with elite physical traits but need some developing

22 hours ago, omar586 said:

we are not trading for sherman for several reasons: expensive, older, we dont have cap space for it, ozzie loves his picks, we need passrushers now,

And harbs might put him in the dog house before he even barks lol

29 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. For the cap space.

2. Because he's not a very good Center and I don't think we had any intention of him being on the team in 2017 regardless. We cut and trade players all the time with no obvious replacement available. That's what FA and the draft is for.

I doubt Mangold really has much leg to stand on in terms of contract negotiations. This isn't the first wave of FA where he has multiple suitors. He maybe only has a couple teams even interested in him at this point. An obvious declining, older player coming off significant injury is not going to be somebody where negotiations are going to be substantial.

1- Cap space was and still is irrelevant when it comes to the timing of Zuttahs trade.

2- like him or hate him, we should have kept zuttah untill we have an upgrade signed.

3- its foolish to call a pro bowl center not that good. He was the best we had since Gino Gradkowski

4- if mangold had no leverage then he would have taken anything we offered him

i honestly think we could have kept zuttah untill after the draft or untill we got a better offer. We didn't need the cap and havnt used it since

11 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

I like McKinley....and really do not think that shoulder will be an issue, plus he will not need to come in and be the instant starter. We have Suggs and Judon and they can hold it down and we can work McKinley in at his pace.

I also like Tim Williams -OLB -BAMMA who should be available to us in round # 2.

I don't just like the guy! I love him! I also don't think his talent is a secret as he played for Alabama. This id say there's a 25% chance he's on the board when we pick and a 75% percent chance we take himIf he's there regardless of who we draft 16 overall

1 hour ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

I have faith in Urschel. Call me crazy but I think he can handle it. The guy is clearly smart enough to understand the mental demands of center. Physically he is slightly undersized at 300lbs but intelligence and quickness can counter that.

I actually like urschel a lot as a player and a guy but not as a starter. So if you insist "Crazy" lol

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I believe the reason Mangold left without a contract simply has to do with money. I believe he's healthy to play which is a great thing. He will become the second coming of Matt Birk and protect the pocket space behind center for Joe to operate in. Will be a great signing if it happens.

I think we showed our cards waaaay to early by trading zuttah and now Mangold is calling our bluff! His agent knows that we are desperate and that never helps when negotiating for a contract.

why did we have to trade zuttah away to move up 12 picks in the 6th round?!

10 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Round 1. Ryan Ramczyk -T- Wisc

Round 2. Tm Williams- OLB-Bamma

Round 3. Ju Ju Smith-Schuster- WR-USC

Round 3. Cam Sutton- CB-Tenn

Round 4. De De Westbrook -WR-Okla

Round 5. Ejuan Price- OLB-Pitt

Round 6. Levon Myers-OT- Northern Illinois

Great idea! Let's talk about anything other than the tough pill to swallow in Jernigans trade lol. Heck il bite coz I love ur comment.

if we somehow land all four that you listed then Ozzie and Decosts get an A+ in the whole offseason regardless of what happens with the last 3 picks. The best LT, a great Pass rusher (Suggs JR), and a fantastic Boldin type of WR in Ju Ju.  I'm a huge fan of all 3. That's winning right there! I'd disagree with sutton as I hope a few better options being there when it's time to pick. 

only problem is.... It's very optimistic to think the top 3 you listed are there when we pick.