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10 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

I would still move up and go for TE Howard, to help our poor offense, but if Ozzie is going all defense ( free agents and draft ) this year this guy could be good.

I literally love Howard as a prospect. He's gonna do some damage in the NFL but I'm afraid he's not our guy. Just wrong time and place for him and us.

11 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Barnett's combine numbers were down because he was very, very sick. But he still did all the drills (unlike some of the other players who got sick). He's a stud and I don't think he falls (NFL teams know the story behind the combine numbers - rather than some media "expert" just looking at the stats). Ravens will have to move up if they want him.

His pro day numbers were almost identical to his combine so we can throw that argument out. Barnett is probably a top 5 talent to 4-3 teams. His burst is not comparable to elite 3-4 OLBs so don't expect him to have a 16 sack season anytime soon. But I do like the fact that we play hybrid and line up in a 4-3 set about 40 percent of the time so Barnett would play both very well. Very similar to Suggs, he'd set the edge as well as anyone and his motor is insane! I'm still a lil on the fence on this guy being a top 10 talent to a 3-4 team but surely wouldn't mind having him as he'd be a perfect long term replacement to Suggs.

So Webbs contract is virtually a 6.3 million deal over three years with incentives that could escapade it to 10.5.

he really took a hometown discount to remain a raven 

18 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Mike Williams... Corey Davis; Corey Davis... Mike Williams. Doesn't matter. Either of these guys would be a 1 one receiver. Take the one that was not drafted yet with our pick. 

 

I don't mind either. just don't reach for Ross of theyr both gone. We should land a top 10 talent regarless of the position. 

Rooney would walk to the Ravens locker room to congratulate them and wish them luck?!!

If sportsmanship had a definition then it would start with Dan.

RIP 

Michael Floyd is still out there and I don't know why our FO haven't taken a look at him. After all, he is a former first rounder, 6'3 , only 27 years old, and can put up some stats when his head is in the right place.

I know it's a Floyd video but go to 3:32 and watch the block Fitzgerald throws....

17 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Chiefs will likely consider trading Maclin. Chiefs have a lot of young receivers with skill it found in mid rounds.including running back/receiver hybrids. Maclin is only 28 which would make him the youngest vet we ever picked up. He is as fast as Wallace but is a far better route runner on intermediate level. And can break routes off and get that fast separation and turn for yards in a blink. 

I really like Maclin as a player and think he's a better overall WR than Wallace considering that he catches passes from A.Smith. It would definitely be an intriguing move if Ozzie pulls it off but I don't think he's as fast as Wallace and I highly doubt our FO picking up his contract. He'd cost around 10 mil a year and that may be a bit over our budget

On April 6, 2017 at 7:07 PM, designermaryland said:

Mosley has been good to excellent, but as a whole, I tend to really not like Alabama players, due to the track record. They have a large number of players drafted and very few of them translate to the pro game as break out difference makers. I hope they go with a pass rusher who actually fits the scheme, or DB. With Jimmy Smith's durability issues, DB should be an extreme priority. If they pass over several quality corners to instead select a WR again, they will be looking at constant exploitation in the defensive passing game if any injuries resurface.

I agree. Alabama players often get drafted higher than they should because they get so much attention and Ozzie sometimes likes his Bama guys to a fault. But I went and watched some Bama film and I really think this year is a different scenario. This Alabama class is probably the best they ever had. Certainly the best Iv seen. We're talking 7 guys that could go in the top 50! 

I had high hopes for Kafusi last year but this year we almost need him to step up. 

8 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Foster... Reddick.. Cook.. Davis.. .Barnett...Mike Williams and Peppers are all on board at 16... who do you choose? ... The one player I desperately think would be the perfect raven is TIM WILLIAMS... what a bad butt MF

Indeed. He's just NASTY!!!

comparing this year's pass rushers to last year is like day and night. Last year, there were a few guys who separated themselves and a whole bunch of half stupid guys that may never make a pro bowl. This year there are at least 6 guys that I think would have gone in the first round last year and their teams would have celebrated.

If we don't land a pass rusher within our first 2 picks then I'm throwing a tantrum!

1 hour ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not true on any level.

Fournette had 616 carries in college.
Kenneth Dixon had 802 carries.
Ezekiel Elliot had 592 carries.
David Johnson had 850 carries
Le'Veon Bell had 671 carries
Jay Ajayi had 678 carries
DeMarco Murray had 759 carries

Great post. It really disturbs me when I see paid analysts on ESPN and NFL network echo those same things.

Stuff like "Fournette may not last too long in the NFL" damn son..... When did you become God all of a sudden? Lol

58 minutes ago, axisofeeble said:

Would Browns trade their 1st&12th picks to Ravens for our 16th&Joe Flacco? Ravens could use Joe's cap space to sign Kapernick or even Cutler as stopgap till even next year's draft to get a QB or us picking one this year in rd 2.

That's so unrealistic in so many ways but if the Browns had the option to get Flacco for their top picks then they probably do it in a heartbeat. Theyd also pull the trigger for 10 other QBs currently in the NFL. No price that's too expensive to land a Franchise QB.

theres no cap space to be made by trading Flacco this year or the next because of the way the contract is structured. But seriously. I'd have Tucker play QB before I give Cutler a call.

Flacco is our guy for the next 3 years at least so we gotta surround him with talent, scheme around his strengths, suck it up and hope for the best 

3 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

I hear a lot of people say Ross isn't a good fit for us because"we already have speed." That's a terrible reason not to draft someone. I don't know if Ozzy is interested, but I do know that if he isn't, it's not because he's too fast. Too much speed has never hurt anyone. I've never heard anyone say, "they would have had a shot last year, but the thing that held them back was that they were just too fast." If he lacks route running ability, good hands, or toughness, that would be a legit reason to pass on him, but having 4.22 speed isn't going to hurt his ability to do any of those things.

He's not the best rout runner in this class nor was he asked to run crisp routs in college as he played for a mediocre school and just outran everyone. It's unfair to question his toughness but he is a smaller guy and injuries could be a concern.

no one is knocking his speed but he doesn't offer much more than we already have on the squad. That's probably why many, including myself would be dissapointed if thats who we take. If we go WR I'd hope we get one of the top 2 guys who are less of a risk and are comfortable catching the ball inside the numbers. A trait we lack at the moment

Call me crazy but I think this class could be the best Alabama class ever. 7 guys could potentially be drafted in the first 50 picks and all 7 could make a pro bowl sooner than later. Watching film on these guys is so much fun.

3 hours ago, whobilly said:

We have to start taking care of business on the road. Two or three road wins usually gets you to 7-9 or 8-8. We have some pretty tough road games this year. Packers, Vikings, Raiders, Titans, in London against the Jags, along with the division games. Good teams find a way to win five or more, mediocre teams find a way to lose them. Comments/thoughts on number of road wins.

I absolutely agree. We should be favorites against the Vikings, Titans, and Jags. But what I really want is to beat the damn Raiders.

i know theyr a much improved team but I still can't get over the fact that the "Raiders" beat us twice in a row. If someone claimed that the Raiders would potentially beat the Ravens 3 times in a row just 5 years ago I would have giggled till my stomach cramped.

I hope the team takes it as a personal challenge then rise to the occasion

9 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

If it is a rookie (and it very well might be), my hope is that center isn't a new full time position

Lmao!

Finally some sarcasm in the building lol

12 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

oh i agree - $7.25 mill is too much for a guy with so many question marks especially considering alshon jeffery only makes 500k more (in terms of cap) - we have enough injury worries already in the wr corps so id prefer to leave well alone unless he's coming in post-cut on a webby-priced deal but he wont because someone will offer him more money than here if he's released

I also agree that 7.25 is a bit steep but don't expect him to sign a SSS kind of deal. We got smart and a boy lucky with that.

i also would like to add that Jeffry is making a guaranteed 9.5 million this year and has an extra 4.5 million in incentives which could make his salary 14 mil in total. That's twice the current price of decker

13 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Menish Mehta (sp?) is apparently reporting that the Jets would be open to trading Eric Decker.

Not too bad an option of the price is right. B.Marshall is a better receiver but that was never an option due to the fact that he wants to stay in NY. Decker is 6'3 and is a great rout runner that gladly goes inside.

12 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

He fits the mold of the veteran chain mover with some gas left in the tank that the front office described.If they were to cut him I'd advocate for the team to sign him,but I wouldnt like to see us trade for him with that high of a base salary and I don't think any team would.

He'd definitely fit that mold. Take out last season that he missed due to injury and he's has 4000 yards and 40 TDs the 4 years prior.

I actually wouldn't mind if we give up a conditional 6th or 7th to ensure landing him. Sure the 7.5 mil salary is a bit steep but none of it is guaranteed so we can negotiate or cut ties with him if he doesn't play up to his price.

Low risk, high reward! 

Liked!

On April 9, 2017 at 9:52 PM, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Who will be hiking the ball to Joe? Kinda important

For Flaccos sake, I really hope it's not a rookie. 

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm not responsible for you using bad examples that don't relate in any way to the Ravens or Joe's situation.

In my world (and frankly the real world), Joe needs to be 35-36, on the back end of a large contract, and showing obvious signs of decline (reduced arm strength, weaker decision making, less mobility than he already has). That's when you start looking at QBs, and you probably go ahead and do it in the 1st round.

But stop with all this BS. No reasonable person thinks that drafting a 3rd or 4th round QB this year gives us any sort of leverage. If you actually do think that, you need to get acclimated with what the word "leverage" actually means, and do so quickly, because you don't get it right now. 

And even worse... stop beating around the bush. Just come out and say it. Just say that you don't think Joe should be our QB much longer, and you want us to draft somebody to take his place now. None of this "well lets just draft somebody in the middle rounds and MAYBE he will pan out and MAYBE he will give us leverage and MAYBE he will be as good as Brady". Just own it.

Its been a long, long time since a team used a very high draft pick on a player they had no intention of playing for several years, regardless of position. That includes QB. Rodgers is the last successful case of that. When teams start thinking of life after their current franchise QB, they target somebody early, and they move on within a year or two. Or they wait until they retire and use a first rounder then. That's what teams do. Its not rocket science. You'll see the Giants do it soon. You'll see the Steelers do it soon. You'll see the Chargers do it soon.

And once again your putting words in my mouth. When did i ever imply that Joe shouldn't be our QB much longer? This is just you getting defensive for no reason and minipulsting facts to prove your point.

and that's why I'm not continuing this conversation. You win

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No, those reasons don't apply.

He would need to play as badly as Brees did (which he hasn't), have a broken neck threaten his career like Manning did (which he hasn't), be as brittle as Romo (which he isn't).

Or, if you pulled a Packers or Patriots and draft somebody thinking your guy is nearly done, you wait until they are at least 34-35, which was the case with those two guys. At 32, Joe isn't there yet. It means its a valid discussion to have when we get to 2019-2020, which is what we've all said all along.

Using a first round pick early on a QB gives you leverage in a contract negotiation of his size. Using a 3rd or 4th rounder just makes his agent chuckle and still get his way.

Leverage only works when its actually serious, not perceived.

I give up. I say something and you respond to something else.

I give you examples of the best Franchise QBs and you say it's irrelevant and not enough examples. I tell you we need leverage and you say his agent would chuckle. Then say something like taking a QB with our first when I never said that. Yeah he's been chuckling all along by is not addressing QB position and yet you insist on only taking a third day QB and hoping he becomes a good backup.

so in your world Joe needs to be 39 and half crippled before the FO ever considers drafting a solid QB that could step up when called.

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So if we REALLY look at this, here's what REALLY happened:

1. The Chargers got Rivers because, at the time, Brees was terrible. Go look at his 02-03 numbers in SD and tell me what was impressive about them? Note also that this example is basically 13 years old.

2. Same application for Rodgers. Pretty much the last successful first round draft pick used on a QB that paid off when the incumbent was still good. We're talking about 15 years ago at this point.

3. Garoppolo is a 2nd round pick who has barely played and will leave NE next year. What about that has been a good pick for the Patriots? A 2nd round pick playing like 3 games TOTAL and fetching a comp pick 6 years later that is less than the value he was drafted at is considered a successful pick for that franchise? Really? See Ryan Mallett.

4. Osweiler was a 2nd rounder in a year where the Broncos traded for a guy who basically had a broken neck. Do I need to further explain why they needed to do that? I think its safe to say they'd like to have that pick back, also.

5. Prescott is a day 3 pick.

6. Cousins was a 4th rounder, so another day 3 pick. Given that he was taken the year that they traded the farm for a 1st rounder, I think its safe to say they never planned on him being a starter (they still don't even like him now).

So we've got some examples of day 3 picks who became starters (Prescott, Cousins), a couple 2nd rounders who didn't really do much for their teams (Osweiler and Garoppolo), and some first rounders from about 10-15 years ago in a completely different era in the league.

In short, no, its not a good enough list. If I were putting together a list, I'd list ALL of the QBs taken in the 3-7th rounds, and show you how many of them you've never heard of, are out of the league, or never reached more than backup status.

Each one has a different story. I know. But the same reasons that applied then apply now when it comes to Flacco.

hes not 27 years old, he's had a major injury and had a prity bad year statistically, he's the highest paid quarterback per year in NFL history.

and the Ravens continue to Pamper him instead of having some leverage when negotiating a new contract. I'm not saying get Flaccos replacement but look at the facts and you'll realize that taking a good QB that falls to the second or third is not that bad of an idea.

I love DeCosta when he's on camera. The guy literally doesn't know how to sugar coat things or lie lol. He was asked a question and he was like "I'm not gonna answer that question" maybe after the draft. Ozzie and Harbs just started laughing. I love this guy and hope he stays in Baltimore for years to come

12 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

What are you guys/girls thoughts on our WR depth?Do you agree that its a must that we take a WR in the first round and if so who?

First of all, great post. You made a lot of valid points and concerns.

For starters, if we go into next season with this crew and Wallace gets hurt then we are screwed indeed lol. That also applies with almost every team and their #1 WR. Heck even A.Rodgers had a tough time without his #1.

i also agree on Davis and Williams part. If they fall out of the top 10 then we should seriously consider them. They have AJ Green written all over them. I disagree tho when it comes to Ross. I don't see what he brings to the table that we don't already have. (Fast, deep threat, unpolished routes, and injury prone) sounds like a Perriman to me but without the 6'2 frame. I just feel like we don't have enough footballs going deep to feed all our deep threats.

well I guess il move on to Perriman. He had a great rookie season when you consider that he never really practiced with the team. He had a few focus drops early that were over exaggerated. I say that because he had twice as many huge plays that only a handful of WRs in the NFL can even attempt to make. He finished the season strong as he settled in and got more opportunities. I think he's poised to have a thousand yard season if he starts and has a full training camp with Flacco. (I can't defend his knee because I also hold my breath every time he goes down)

to conclude, I would t say taking a WR is a must in the first round because we have a stud in Wallace and a stud in the making in Perriman. I would say that we need another solid WR that brings a different skill set to the table to open up the deep passing game. Someone like Ju Ju (USC) makes a lot of sense to me. 

On April 7, 2017 at 6:57 PM, trevorsteadman said:

I 100% agree with the guy. You are not getting a 3rd from Jernigan. He has struggled staying consistent and chances are you are looking at a 4th rounder at best and that would be in 2019. Also the move up from where we did is valued higher than a 4th round pick. I think it was a perfect move by the front office.

It was a good move by the FO for various reasons. Like you mentioned there's a risk of him getting hurt or suspended or maybe just play bad. But the guy was saying stuff like he'd have to play top 5 to land is a third. Hell no, 8-10 million a year lands you a third. If Jernigan plays a bit better than he did we'd be guaranteed a 3rd comp. did you see how many were given this year?

im on your side that it was smart to cash in on an asset and a third today is as good as second next year so long term it's a good move. But don't go as far as saying Jernigan was bad and he wasn't playing good or that he could only land us a sixth. And please don't agree with him when he claims its an A+ move short term when we all agree it's a long term move. No one we draft in the late third or fourth(that's the value we got for Jernigan) is expected to play as good as we'd expect Jernigan to play this year. And no one we sign in FA will play as big a role as Jernigan did for his 1 million salary. 

I agree it was a good move and probably for the best interest of both the Ravens and Jernigan himself. But let's not fool ourselves here. This was a pill that we swallow to feel better in the future.

one last thing not mentioned. If we weren't going to land a good comp for Jernigan then it wouldn't be because of his play. It would be because we have a lot of cash to spend next year and we probably will spend more on FA than we lose. That's why I think it's a good move to get out of the comp formula in the first place as next year's FA will be a delight.

it was good. Perfect would be us landing a second round pick or trading Jernigan for Matthews. And shredding Jernigan to make yourselves feel better about the trade certainly doesn't go down well with me