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1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I could see a scenario where we cut Wallace to sign Marshall, then Torrey still hasnt signed with a team and then we bring him back.  That being said i dont think this happens, just saying i think thats how we would end up getting him

we both know that theres like 1% of a chance of that happening. But heck if it does then il be the first to celebrate and give you all the credit in the world. When it comes to Wallace. It would really be dumb to just cut him. Hes coming off a 1K yard season and whatever team gets him only has to pay 5.75 mil of his salary. So if we do part ways with Wallace then trade him dont just cut him.

Torrey is younger, a model citizen, and a guy that i really really loved as a Raven. But Wallace is coming off a 1000 yard season and releasing him to sign Torrey wouldn't free up much cap if any. If this was the jets or browns looking for a WR for the next few years then yes it would probably be Torrey but Wallace has a better chance of getting 1000 yards catching passes from Flacco in 2017

On January 31, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Purple_City39 said:

It's really a shame that Jimmy is considered injury prone.  A broken foot, two ankle sprains, a concussion, and a sports hernia are more bad luck than "injury prone" to me since those aren't all that preventable.  Maybe he could heavily tape his ankles more, idk.

Hopefully he can play and start another 16 games this year like he did in 2013 and 2015.

And a bad knee and back. That's the definition of injury prone lol

when he wasn't injured this d was top 3 but without him this d is just prity good. That's what really sucks about this situation.

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Keep Wallace and cutting him would be a huge mistake. He's the one play maker that's left on offense and he gets enough YAC that he makes the offense look better than it is. Get Brandon Marshall as Receiver #1 for God's sake! If he isn't released try to trade for him if necessary. Just get him and he'll become the face of our offense on day 1.

How sweet would it be to have 2 potential 1k yard WRs and a 1st rounder backing them up? I'd be dissapointed if marshal was on the block and Ozzie didn't make a move. No 6th or 7th rounder in the upcoming draft will have a better 2017 than B.Marshall.

If the Ravens can get a top 10 WR in B.Marshall for 7.5mil then it would instantly improve this squad. Even if it's for one year id take a B.Marshall in a heartbeat. I'd even send a 7th to ensure getting him. This should be unanimous if the FO had a vote.

the real question is wether or not the jets are willing to part with him.

On February 2, 2017 at 7:14 PM, The Greek said:

gilmore and camponaro are one and the same. injury prone. we need a te in case maxx isnt 100%

What a shame these 2 can't stay on the field. I really like both and especially Gilmore he has pro bowl potential but injuries just suck sometimes.

Moving for B Marshall makes a lot of sense. 7.5 million for a top 10 WR is a sweet deal and the FO can work around it. Even if it's for one year. Il gladly give up a 7th or 6th if that's what it takes. Why wait for the jets to cut him and then compete with every other team to sign him?

You like him? Go get him! 

8 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

And it's easy for the Pats to ask a guy to take lesser salary when they're paying his company (TB12 Sports Therapy Center) significant $$ and giving them a storefront at Gillette Stadium.

thats just another reason why it's not fair to compare Tom Brady taking less money to any other QB in the NFL.

It's also no secret that some NFL owners pay money to NFL players indirectly through their companies to relief their teams from the salary cap.

its against the NFL rules but almost impossible to prove in court. Fortunately or unfortunately for us (depending on how you look at it) Mr Beschotti is one of the classiest owners and rarely if ever played under the belt.

55 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

My opinion is , Let Zutta go as I describe below. Make Jensen the Center, he needs to spend time at the position, he has the talent he just needs the training and time at the position. Then I would Draft a Center or Guard and keep competition for FA and walk ons.

Keep Lewis, Hurst, Urschel, Ducasse and Nembot, Stanley and Yanda
 

I'd like that approach. Just scares the livin heck out of me to roll the dice at C. Keep zuttah or upgrade would be my approach. 

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No actually, that $28M in signing bonuses isn't for the next three years. Its for the length of the contract from the PATRIOTS perspective, but Tom actually got paid that money at signing. That's why they call it a SIGNING BONUS, because its paid at signing. You don't pay a Signing Bonus three times because there's nothing to sign.

When I said Tom was paid that much this year, its because Tom was paid that much this year. That's not up for debate. That's a fact. Its indisputable.

Just like when I said Joe Flacco made $29M to play football last year, its because Joe Flacco made $29M to play football last year. It was initially thought to be $44M, but he deferred $15M of his $40M signing bonus to next season, so next season, he will make $21M.

For the billionth time, the amount of salary cap impact the team absorbs is NOT the same as the amount of actual cash they pay the player on a yearly basis. They are two completely different things in most cases.

And for the billionth time you can't just pick the one year Brady gets a signing bonus and say that's how much he played for. I know what you mean but you implied something completely different the way you said it.

37 minutes ago, BigUgly said:

Ozzie usually does a good job drafting talent along the O-Line; the center position since Matt Birk left is the glaring exception (Gradkowski in the 3rd was a bust, AQ Shipley was too small, and Zuttah gets pushed around too much). The question is, do we want to move away from a zone-blocking style line (generally smaller, quicker, more athletic guys) to more of traditional in-line/trap style line with beasts up front that can win 1-1 battles, but maybe can't get to the second level as easily. I used to love watching our line with Ogden and Zeus break the huddle and dwarf the opposing D-Line - it was like men against boys.

Alex Lewis can move to RT if we draft a Guard and Center, and there are guys who were protected by the Ravens by being placed on IR. Tackles Stephane Namebot and D'Ondre Wesley could slide in at RT, or move inside. On the practice squad, Skura has some intriguing upside, and local product Broxton is a mauler at OG (needs to improve his footwork, though).

Not sure we'll keep Ducasse, who has issues in pass coverage. Hurst, Urschel and Jensen are good options as back-ups and should compete for starting roles. Hurst looked rough as a rookie LT last year, but remember that was his first year back after a major leg injury his senior year. Before that, he was touted as one of the top tackles in the country.

I'm not sure if hurst will ever be a good enough LT or even RT in the NFL. Hes not strong enough to maul anyone and not fast enough to stay in front of good pass rushers. That's a disaster waiting to happen... I wouldn't mind sliding him inside just to see what we have in him but even then, he'd be on such a short leash that it's not even funny.

Jensen and Urschel are guys I like but still havnt proven they can keep Joe upright.

we have a solid foundation in Yanda Lewis and Stanley to build around. I just hope we don't throw a bunch of no ones in between them and expect much sucess. We need 3 good linemen if zuttah and Wagner leave and 2 quality backups if they stay. 

14 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Just FYI, Tom made $28.7M playing football for the Patriots this year.

Cap hit and what he actually gets paid are two different things.

Let's spice things up a bit more. last year he collected 10 mil in paychecks and 9 mil the year before. And next year he's only gonna get paid 1 million in salary.

come on RMC, don't just throw it out there because many out here don't understand that those 28 mil are signing bonuses for the next 3 years. If that's how people compare contracts them Flacco made 48 million playing football for the Ravens this year lol.

The most important thing that people need to understand is that Brady makes more endorcement money than any other QB in history and he's married to the highest paid model in history. Comparing Brady's contract to anyone is just insane and senseless. That we should all agree on. 

On January 21, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Static said:

I dont think the Front Office is as confident in our running backs as you guys are.

I hate that your probably right on this one. The actions of our FO prove that theyr not completely sold on any of our backs.

I personally have fallen in love with Dixons play but if the FO were then he wouldn't be sharing snaps with west.

west is a guy that I really tip my hat to. He came in and exceeded all expectations. But it seems like he's maxed out his potential. He may never be an every down back for a SB team. That's not a knock on him but it's just what it is.

LT is another guy who keeps improving then gets hurt.

buck Allen is.... Well I have no idea why they drafted him in the first place if theyr never gonna use him.

what really kills me is that we have 2 3rd rounders and 2 4th rounders fighting for order on a depth chart. That's 4 roster spots right there. Use them or trade them for whatever you can and bring someone in who you will use. Let's stop playing musical chairs at RB for gods sake!

8 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The thing is that you'd never actually see it in a game because...

1. That's off a tee.
2. The angle would be way too low and it's an instant block
3. The chance of a return is too great.

Great points. Only time I see us risking it is with time running out and maybe a 60-65 yarder. Not 75!

On 1/26/2017 at 4:43 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

And this is my point. A 65 yarder puts the ball at the 48 yard line, with the kick being attempted at our own 45. 

Simply put, the risk doesn't necessarily match the reward. The likelihood of converting that kick, regardless of whether you've got the distance to do it or not, is so small that's it not worth either giving up the field position (putting your opponent within 10 yards of a reasonable FG attempt already) and/or the risk of a kick being blocked due to the trajectory of the kick being so low at that distance.

Its the kind of thing you only attempt at the end of a game or half, where there are effectively no repercussions. It doesn't really matter how long they kick from in pregame or how accurate they are in warmups, because you're just not going to see a team line up for a FG outside the 45 yard line when in a tight game and in a position where the risk is high.

Even in a blowout you're unlikely to see it.

That's why I brought it up. People will say "o its just a fun thing in warmups", but there's people who are unintelligent enough on these boards who will come in during a regular season game and say "hey, its 4th down on the 50 yard line, why not line up Tucker to kick a FG... he's good from 75 in practice, so he must be good from 67 in a game". [content removed]

 

Great points. I absolutely agree, just because you have the leg to make it from 75 doent mean you can consistantly make them from that far in a real game. It's just simple math. The longer the field goal the less likely you are to make them and the more likely it is that your opponent scores of you don't.

that said, I do feel good when Tucker is tacking 50 yarders because it's not like he's pushing his limits and his accuracy completely falls off.

i also do see a few situations where Tucker could actually take a loooooong one. Let's say we just got scored on and we have 14 seconds left till half time. I'd like to see us return it and kick a FG after 1 first down instead of just kneeing every single time.

sure Tucker won't get a lot of those opportunities nor will he make very many but I personally believe he is one of the best ever and don't care about his stats anymore.

it is assuring to wake up every morning as a Ravens fan knowing that we have the best kicker in the game for at least a few more years lol.

2 hours ago, #Nevermore said:

If I were DeCosta, I would be gone. Nothing against Baltimore, but I think it is a better situation. He has the chance to put a team together around a great young quarterback. Luck will be around for at least another 10 years. That would be an accomplishment. If your desire is to build franchises into winning organizations, that's a great start. Baltimore is already a great organization.

Unfortunately, your absolutely right. To a GM, the colts situation is so desirable. You don't have to worry about finding a quality QB and they have a lot of cap space to make your mark as a GM.

I really hope Decosta weighs all his options then decides that working for Bischotti is 100 times better than working for an unpredictable maniac like Irsay.

5 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

It would be great if Ben & Brady retired. Add in the fact that the Bell, Brown, Shazier, Villanueva, Tuitt, Timmons and the rest of the WR corps are going to be free agents this year and next and they'll either be gone or the Squealers will be in serious salary cap hell....

They are projected to be 40 mil under the cap next year so they're not in a pickle just yet.

4 hours ago, billiejean said:

He not a top 10 center but hes in the top half of the league.  He was ranked 13 this year 9 last year.  So yea there is room for improvement.  And if your definition of bad is not being in the top 10, then yea he is bad. But as Ive said you are basing your opinion on his play on about 1 percent of the plays that he has been in this year becasue there is no way that you have focused in on him for every single play of every single game this year.  He was ranked as the fifth ranked offensive player on our roster.  The weakest link on the line is Ducasse by a large margin.  And the front office has to determine weather being in the end of the first half of all centers justifys his cap number.  I will say this, if the best way to bring Rick back involves droping Jz than im all for that.  All of that really depends on what types of offers he get.  And if we drop him we would have to look outside of the roster to fill that void,, which im not apposed to either..  

Iv been saying this for a few years now that our problem up front isn't the starting five. Our problem is the huge dropoff in talent between starters to the backups. It takes 8 good linemen to finish an NFL season and your often as good as your weakest link. Linemen will eventually get hurt during an NFL season. It's not fair to blame the likes of Ducass, Hurst, and Ried, for their struggles because they are backups of backups for a reason. 

11 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

If Fournette or Cook is available, it would be foolish not to pick one. We need star playmakers on this team because we are riddled with mediocrity everywhere on offense right now. Look at the AFC North, almost every team has better running backs than we do. When Rice was here, we were the best, but now?

Also, taking one of these top playmakers in the first round will force the hand of the coaches to use the run more too. It'll relieve pressure on Flacco to just hand the ball over when he is being blitzed instead of dinking and dunking all day long or committing stupid and costly interceptions.

We need a superstar offensive player that can become the identity of our offense and the face of it. Fournette and Cook have the potential to be that player. I say the Ravens should strictly stick to the best player available strategy in the first and second rounds period. That is the only way we are going to amass talent again.

Finally, John needs to keep his butt out of the draft room and try not to force the scouting department and front office to draft position players only if they are ace special teamers too anymore. He needs to get back to focus primarily on coaching and let Ozzie, Eric and Hortiz do the drafting.

I absolutely agree that if we draft a running back early then it would probably force the coaches to run more. But I'm afraid the problem isn't the running back as much as it is scheme, tendency, and an underperforming line.

i also agree that fournette is from the same mold that zeek gurley and Gordon were. (If they fall so far then teams have to consider changing their whole draft board) theyr just freaks of nature that any team would love to have for 5 years on a bargain price.

i simply don't see cook in the same category unless he runs a 4.35 or something like that in the combine. 

Id also like to add that we have invested a 3rd and two 4th round picks on RB the past 3 years (I'm not even including pierce). I'd like to see a return in that investment.

last but not least, wev also killed10 mil  cap between Forsett and rice.

in other words, FO have made moves to fix the run but all have failed drastically! Idk who is to blame but if it's not right by midseason then Mr Bischotti needs to intervene and chop some heads off!

1 hour ago, The Greek said:

i see them giving correa and onwuasor every opportunity to run with this and if they are struggling than the veteran cap casualty will be signed. hope harbs gives orr an internship into coaching

That would scare me going into the season. Orr played a vital role last year and we need someone to replicate that or at least come close.

Mlb is not a position I'd like to roll the dice with.

It's such a cliche to say people dont appreciate what they have untill it's gone.

i feel like I didn't really get the chance to appreciate what what we had in Orr now that he's not playing anymore.

He outplayed his contract for sure and exceeded all expectations. That my friends is a winner!

i really hope Steve biscotti finds him and a few of his loved ones some really nice jobs where they can contribute and get paid handsomely as a thank you for 3 great years. 

I know we'll see Orr around. Thank you and best of luck Orr.

On January 17, 2017 at 9:21 PM, VermontRaven said:

While I agree with you that we miss KO and Lewis wasn't as good as KO, I think we are not giving Lewis enough credit.  He was a 4th round pick in his rookie year.  I haven't went back and compared, but if we compared KO year 1 vs. Lewis year 1, my guess is that they would be pretty comparable (anyone feel free to chime in here if they have actually reviewed tape to compare).  I am hopeful that Lewis turns into a KO-type player, but that is yet to be seen.  I was happy with what I saw from him (Lewis) and hope he continues to progress next year.  We have him on a rookie contract and if he continues to progress, we are going to have one heck of a value at LG for a few years!

I'm not gonna go back and watch film just to break my heart lol. But I do remember KOs first year. He showed flashes of greatness and flashes of a lost rookie. Lewis didn't jump off my screen as often but also made less mistakes. Maybe it's because KO played a lot of LT as a rookie.

but we can both agree on this. Lewis far exceeded expectations of a 4th rounder and it seems like the sky is his limit. I look forward to him making another leap in his development and hope he stays a Raven for a long time. 

22 hours ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

Of course it is too much to ask to have some positivity in an appreciation thread. Smh. There are hundreds of threads with the names "Joe" and "Flacco" in the title, all of which are full of all the bashing and negativity any one could ever wish for.

I for one hate how the this season turned out and hate that Flacco had one of his worst years statistically but your absolutely right. There's always a time and place to appreciate the best quarterback in this Franchises history. There's always room to thank Flacco for a marvelous SB run and there's always room for hoping we get those performances again in the near future. 

On December 29, 2016 at 7:21 PM, AsianRice said:

It's a team sport so he can't do that by himself, can he?

 

Even Rodgers can't even do it if his WR couldn't catch the ball or his defense collapse on the lead.

 

It takes 3 phases to win on Sunday.

True, it's a team game and it takes a team to win. But even Flacco himself would admit that he didn't help the cause as much as hed like. He had one of his worst years of not his worst. I'm not asking him to put up breese or Rodgers numbers because that's not Flacco. But he does need to come back next year hungrier than ever because he's done a lot more with a lot less. 

since you used Rodgers as an example.... 2015 was considered Rodgers worst year statisticslly when he had 31 TDs to 8 INTs and a 92 passer rating. He did that without a running game or anything that resembles a defense and his WRs were horrendous when Nelson got hurt. I'm not saying Flacco needs to match those numbers but he's supposed to make the best of what he has because he certainly has the talent to do so and is paid handsomely to do so.

Flacco in comparison only beat that passer rating once in 9 years. Yes it's like comparing apples to oranges but one thing is for sure. Flacco is not the only one to blame for this offense stalling but he carries a big share of the responsibility.

3 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

We lose Williams if all we offer him is 8 million and we lose Wagner if all we offer him is 6 million. Wagner would be missed more than Williams. Wagner leaves, we are needing both a center and a LG, IF Lewis can play RT. If Lewis stays at LG, we would ned a center and a RT. Any way you shake it, if Wagner leaves we need Two starters on the OL, not just a center. And that's not even speaking to upgrading our OL depth. Pierce is a good start to replace Williams. Williams is over-rated, unless his fade in the last 4 games was due to being double teamed every play. That IS possible because I think teams saw that we had no pass rush and Did start double and triple teaming Williams and/or Jernigan.

As much as I really like Williams and Wagner. I just don't see is offering them much more. I wouldn't mind it if they both get better offers and land us 2 nice comp picks the year after.

When it comes to Oline help. I think we need 2 quality vets that are ready to start when called upon regardless.

My issue isn't loosing Williams and Wagner. I'd have a bigger problem if we handled the situation the way we handled KO. We offered him 10 mil and then when he signed with someone else we just settled for a mid round pick to replace a pro bowler. Sure Lewis is awesome for what we paid for but he's definitely a step back from KO.

if we lose Williams because some other desperate team offers him 12 mil then please spend that 8 mil we saved on someone else in FA. Same goes with Wagner. If he doesn't accept the 6 mil we offer then offer it to someone who will instead of settling for more rookies starting on the OLine.