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1- Wallace getting cut was never a realistic option. If the Ravens ever wanted to part ways then trading him made a lot more sense than streight up cutting your only 1000 yard receiver. 

2- Congrats Stanley, you got 4 more chances to set the record with Harrison. I hope you eat him alive before he retires. 

3- zach Orr:- no the honor and pleasure was ours to watch you blossom into a pro bowl callibar player. thank you for being such a classy guy and good luck

4- Oher Concussion sucks! Wish him nothing but the best. Maybe it's time to seriously think about your future as you've already made a nice amount and succeeded at the highest level

9 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Working for ESPN currently. While you are at it, why not Elvis Grbac too and maybe Kyle Boller? We are in on Flacco whether he sucks or not. Bottom line. What else do you want John to say? A sub-par QB making more money than God? Come on man!

I want him to say "we are not going to ask Joe to do too much" instead lets ask him to do just enough to Win games!

lets not gameplan to throw our way out of trouble and instead do so when the game dictates it.

i read somewhere that Joe Flacco is like garlic. 1 spoon makes any dish better but 5 spoons and you just ruined your dish. Flacco should never be in a situation where he throws the ball more than Breez Rodgers Brady and Ryan in any season!

o want harbs to say something like I promise the run game will improve and this Flacco will look like a top 10 QB.

Iv been a Harbough supporter since day 1 and will always be but for gods sake stop feeding us is this nonsense Harbs!

Just a lil bit of what I'd like to hear lol

11 hours ago, omar586 said:

our coaches are horrendous, this guy was playing lights out in preseason yet we never saw him that much on the field, .

It's a shame Levine never got enough chances at ILB. simply put. Levine is a great guy that I'd love to have back but if keeping him means we can't get someone else that can potentially start then bring someone who will

Come on BWILl! Stop playing hard to get and just sign the damn contract!

27 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Agreed, we have 3 RG on the team now that all can play well. Nembot, Jenson and Urschel. both Jenson and Urschel are also back up Centers. So the Ravens could pick up Elflein the best center in the draft/ college and potentially have the best O-line in the NFL.Could even be better than Dallas if all of them can stay on the field.

The cost is low too! leaves money for a RB and WR

I also agree. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice with Lewis at RT if Wagner turns the Ravens offer down. But I hope they take that same offer and offer it to the next best lineman in FA. Maybe Mangold and slide zuttah to G. This team needs more quality linemen.

18 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Well like with most prospects there are disagreements about how good Cook is. But the consensus seems to be he's going to be great. But, we need to seal the deal with either of these if one is available. Otherwise we can't keep up with the AFC North.

I agree, he does indeed have the potential to be a multiple time pro bowler. But Gurley, Gordon, and Zeek werent just potentially great. The expectation was Franchise changing (similar to Jamal Lewis). Like if this guy falls to you then you change your plans. I'm not sure if Cook is of that mold where we just change our plans and be thankful he fell to us. Also keep in mind this years class of FA running backs. I don't remember a FA class littered with former or potential pro bowlers. A.Peterson, J.Charles, L.Blount, L.Murray, E.Lacy and a few other really good guys worth looking at. 

8 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

My gut tells me if either Fournette or Dalvin Cook are magically available for us at #16 we would be foolish not to select either. In fact, I'll go as far as saying if 1 is gone and the other drops past 12, then to go up and get that guy by trading up. I truly believe they could be generational players in the Jamal Lewis mould for us and could dramatically help our terrible offense. It would also shield Flacco from mistakes and help him with confidence.

I made the same argument last year with zeek and the year before with gurley and Gordon as those players are worth a team changing its offseason direction because they instantly demand a stacked box. I agree that Founette is of that mold if he drops but I'm not sure if Cook is in the same class as the other 4 mentioned. 

Another extreemly underrated guy on this team. Guy only beat out two 3rd rounders a 4th rounder and a 5th rounder for playing time. And he playing great. I also hope he stays but won't have any hard feelings if he followed the money in FA. Thank your for a few great under the radar years.

15 minutes ago, sami said:

if Zuttah is so bad how did he get to go to the pro bowl? I don't see what the ones who voted him in see.

Thank you! Zuttah had his share of bad plays but we really struggled when our backups were in. Jensen started 3 games Ducass started 8 and urschel started 3 and all finished some other games when lonemen got hurt. There's an obvious dropoff in talent and that's where we need to upgrade. If we lose zuttah and Wagner we need 2 starters and someone to back the starters up when they are hurt. Jensen and Urschel are not pulling it. Ducass is good to be the 7th best option at best.

33 minutes ago, ByTheBay said:

The drug that ruins lives here is the one that is legal and comes to you from a prescription pad. It's literally heroin in a pill. Money money money. 

I absolutely agree that our system is screwed up to say the least. But still, rules are rules. And when you decide to break them then do so at your own risk. And if you ever do decide to break the rules then at least be descreet about it. 

What elam did is the equivalent of someone that drives to an underground brothel and picks up 4 girls. Then decides to withdraw 4 thousand dollars to pay them. When he's stopped by police, he has money, 4 girls that he doesn't know the name of etc...

your analogy is like saying "but prostitution is legal in some other countries and cities. And heck the girl wasn't forced so its not like rape or something" 

52 minutes ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

20 grams is hardly enough to supply the entire club; it's less than an Ounce. The laws are old and outdated. We've got people spending 20-30 years in jail on possession charges when pedophiles and rapists are getting out in 2 years - tell me how much logic is actually being used.

It was 126 grams the article said more than 20 but didn't disclose the actual amount. Yes that would roll. Idk 300-400 joints and thus the whole party can smoke! 

I agree 100 percent that getting high is not like rape or murder. I'm pissed off at Elam because he couldn't just have an occasional joint or fail a drug test like everyone else. He had to drive around with that much Marjuana and he should go to prison just for being that stupid! In court that's called intent to sell. And then he had other drugs to add to insult. I just hope he didn't have cash with him coz that would just put him in a pickle!

3 hours ago, mrc724 said:

Who cares about how much the drugs weigh, THEY ARE ILLEGAL.

I may be on the outside but I absolutely do. If your at home and have an occasional lapse of judgement that's one thing. To go driving around with enough Marjuana to supply the whole club is another thing. And that's me giving him the benignity of doubt.

its like two 16 year olds having unprotected sex vs a20yo and a 22 yo vs a 30 yo having an affair with a 16 year old. Yeah they all fall under the same law but one is forgivable and the other is a much deeper problem.

I regularly say this at work with people when they screw up. I can deal with a smart person that makes an honest mistake because heck we all do. I refuse to deal with an ideot because the minute we deal with one problem he finds himself in another stupid problem then another and he/she then ultimately call themselves "unlucky people" or bad luck magnets. No your just dumb to regularly put yourself in bad situations.

in other words, I can find some sympathy for someone who gets caught driving drunk the first time. Il try to convince myself that it was a lapse of judgement and thank god no one got hurt as long as he makes an effort to not do it again. but I can never forgive someone who drives city to city with a 12 pack of beer in the car. It's like "so you planned to drive intoxicated at high speeds for prolonged periods of time"!! That person should go to jail head first because he's so much more likely to screw up more in the near future. 

Really?! Driving around with 126 grams of Marjuana? That's just dumb man! Why the hell are you driving around with that mutch anyways?!!!

if your stupid enough and rich enough to buy 126 grams of Marjuana then you sure as heck can afford to get it delivered to your destination!

you deserve to spend time just for acting so damn dumb. I'm done defending anything Elam ever does. And whatever it is, I hope he does it away from the Ravens organization.

I feel like the NFL had right intentions in trying to protect players but took it a bit too far.

no one can hit the QB under the knee. Perfect. No one can ever helmet to helmet a QB. Perfect! If the QB holds on to the ball till the last second you can't even touch him, pathetic! They're just taking it a bit too far. Qbs are supposed to throw a second too early and their supposed to get shoved at least when they hold on till the last second.

the defenseless receiver is also a great rule in theory but it's been taken way too far. WRs duck into DBs all the time and helmet to helmet is called. Or a QB just throws his receiver into trouble and almost automatically called as a defenseless receiver.

im all about players safety and agree with 95 percent of those rules but we have to go back and fix some of the wrongs.

and can someone spend a couple of million and research then develop a damn helmet that really prevents concussions instead of encouraging collision? 

Wow!

1- I'm glad we finally get something in return for losing KO and hope we use that pick wisely.

2- I can't believe the NFL gave out 11! 3rd round comp picks. Usually the NFL Capps it at 4 or 5.

3- this ultimately means our FO can get two third round comp picks next year if we lose Williams and Wagner which could change everything 

On February 22, 2017 at 6:45 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Will require a good enough to player to be there when we pick.

We have about 10 positions where you could easily justify using a first round pick on, as we need playmakers at just about every level.

OL, WR, pass rusher, CB, Safety, MLB, even RB or TE are all positions where we could easily use an upgrade.

Last thing we want to be doing is picking a position instead of a player.

Idk but I think he means that he'd be dissapointed if the draft forced us to take someone other than those 2 positions. I'm also hoping beyond hope that a top ten CB or Pass rusher falls to us because those are the 2 positions that we can't really upgrade in FA without breaking the bank.

like when CJ fell to us. Obvious top ten talent. I hope it's a CB that falls. But if it's another CJ then we have to take him!

and dear lord. I really hope we don't take a TE with our first pick no matter how good he is lol

27 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

10 reasons not to bring Pitta back.

1. I would not feel like a down grade if any of our TE's had to step into that spot. We are loaded at TE and can get equal or better production for significantly less money!

2. Watson is just simply a much better deal (as a veteran presence) then Pitta. Even if Pitta takes a pay cut... it will probably still be a higher salary then Watson- who is at least equally as talented (I think more)

3. NO YAC.... Pitta gets no yards after the catch and while a sure handed guy who can move the move the chains is highly valued in this league. Pitta simply does not move the chains. Look at his stats. Sure he gets a lot of catches but that is the majority of Joes meaningless check downs. (Look at the failed pass completion stats from yesterdays article). Pitta does not move the chains and cannot turn the small catches into something meaningful anymore. (and frustrates Ravens fans to death by always running routes short of the 1st down).
No YAC renders much of his production meaningless.

4. His presence hinders the progression of our young TE's. Gilmore, Maxx, Waller, and Boyle all seem to simply not be getting the reps they need bc of a veteran presence who ceiling is fairly mediocre.

5. BC the passing game is hindered by Joe's reliance on Pitta. He looks for Pitta so much that he does find the open WR's or give the play time to develop

6. Gilmore, Boyle and probably Maxx are better TE's for our re-vamping the run game (and can still catch and move the chains).

7. Waller and Watson can split the seams and stretch the field and keep both the LBs and S's honest where as Pitta doesn't bring that same threat.

8. Pitta is an injury away from his career being over. (high investment for someone so fragile). Albeit, all players are only a play a way but Pitta has shown a propensity to serious injury and he commands more money then most of TE's put together (other then Watson)

9. I think he would make great trade bait. More so then probably Maxx, Gilmore, Boyle, or Waller (and at least equal to Watson). With as many needs as we have and the depth in this years draft... Pitta could land us a 4th round pick who can be an integral part of our future. (maybe 5th)

10. and this is no small point. Cutting Pitta puts Joe on notice. He seems to have called the shots on Trestman. He seems to have called the shots on retaining Marty. Joe had his way and didn't produce... now it is time for the management to due what is best for the team and tell Joe to stopping worrying about FO decisions and worry about playing QB and producing. This is not about taking care of your buddy or some boys club this is the NFL and with out production you get no say.

I absolutely feel you as you make a lot of valid points. Except I feel like a lot of what you said is a bit exaggerated.

1- yes we are loaded at TE but Pitta is still the best pass catcher on this squad and everyone else is a downgrade or close to the same production at the moment. Otherwise they would have started last season.

2- if your getting rid of pitta then you might as well just let go of both and use The additions 3mil in savings.

3- I have often argued that pitta doesn't get YAC because the passes thrown his way are usually in traffic or he often has to dive to get them.

5- Well that's a whole other problem. If Flacco keeps staring down his goto guy then he'll stare down the next security blanket. That problem is not solved by releasing his goto guy. He'll just find another one.

9- yes, pitta is worth some value so trading him should be the route we take rather than just flat out cutting him. I also don't see how you made all these arguments against him then slapped a 4th on him lol. I think realistically his value is no more than Thomas who was traded for a 6th if I'm not mistaken. 

14 hours ago, TheRavengers said:

To be fair, Torrey hasn't done much since he left. He's only had 7 TDs in 2 years, when he had that many in just his rookie year. In fact statistically 2016 was his worst year, he had less than 300 receiving yards, fewest receptions, lowest yds/catch avg and played in the fewest games.

One also must be fair to Torrey. If R.Moss player for SF the past 2 years he wouldn't look so good either lol. His skill set is the complete opposite to the Qbs they have there.

When Torrey was in Baltimore, he separated from Dbs better than anyone. Flacco literally threw it up his way whenever the pocket collapsed. 1- less sacks 2- some were complete 3- others were PI calls that were as good as completions.

heck even interceptions thrown deep to Torrey usually didn't hurt us as it would net just as much yards as a punt would.

i find it unfortunate that some Ravens fans around here blame Torrey for "one play" that's not even all his fault and forget about the 25-30 first downs he got us every year  that we had no business making either via great catch or PI witch he lead twice in his 4 years here. 

Last but not least, Torrey got paid at a time when the Ravens were really cap strapped. If that scenario happened this year, the Ravens would have gladly payed him that 6 mil per year. It was just wrong time wrong place. 

39 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Wagner is set to be one of those free agents who excels in Baltimore but goes out and does not do very well with other teams. In adiition, he is just a right tackle, no one will pay him to play left tackle and if they do they are making a huge mistake. In 2015 Wagner was a dumpster fire and now he is the second rated tackle. I guess they are looking at just one year because Wagner was less than impressive quite consistently before last year. Same with Juszczyk. Where I feel we underutilized his talents here in Baltimore, blocking fullbacks can be a dime a dozen and since we failed to use him to his best abilities, we are only loosing a blocking back with a sometime catch. Williams is the only one worth fighting for but with PIerce, his loss is minimized somewhat.

Let me add my opinion on cuts as well. I would hold onto everyone we have except for Webb, Arrington and Lewis. Dumervil, Pitta and Wallace need to stay.

Well said. I agree 100 percent Wallace and pitta must stay and probably redo their contracts to free up idk 3-4 mil in 2017.

I have Doom, Webb, and zuttah in the same boat. If we land a marque FA in their position then theyr gone. If we draft someone to take over then they stay untill that someone beats them out. Worst case scenario is they stay, free up another 3-4 mil, and we revisit this scenario again next year.

Watson, wright, Arrington, and Lewis are gone freeing up 10mil in cap.

thats 25mil plus whatever we save 6-8 by redoing some contracts.

let the games begin!

On February 21, 2017 at 3:47 PM, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ya we should be fine with cap, at least not poor as it gets anyway lol I just said 30 as a bare minimum but it could be much higher. 

Everyone is hating on Webb and we could just cut him or ask him to take another pay cut, which he already has, but with that scenario we have more dead money and an extreme need at a critical position. Webb might not be as fast as he used to be but he was actually solid for most of the year. He made his open field tackles and was around the ball when it was in his direction.

when I say extend, I mean adding an additional year to spread his big hit this year so it isn't that much and then we will save more next year if we cut him. If we don't sign Jefferson, Berry, or a top 3 safety in the draft, such as Adams, Hooker or Baker, it could be a long day with another slow vet or mid round rookie trying to pick up the playbook. 

Thank you

On February 21, 2017 at 11:19 PM, omar586 said:

SO If we lose wagner and williams we get 2 3rd rnd picks?

Most years a 11 mil NT and a 8mil RT would land you at least a 3rd and a 4th round comp. Probably not this year tho because of the number of drafted players in that 2012 draft potentially jumping ship. Comp picks formula depends on a number of things and for starters, I see a few other players that could surpass Williams and Wagners contracts thus droping us to a 4th and 5th round comp picks. (Collins, Cyprien, Jeffry, and a few others) 

4 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I believe the best piece the Ravens could get in free agency is Johnathan Cyprien. That's the player we need at the back end; a physical type hard nose safety that could give us some physical ness in the secondary and he's will be a perfect complement with Weddle. Johnathan Cyprien made 127 tackles last year as a safety so that would be a huge addition to the team.

Cyprien is a guy I really liked coming out of college. The knock on him back then was if he was fast enough transitioning to the NFL level. Well he proved that to be wrong as he's much faster in game speed than his 40 time. He would be a great compliment to weddle but i don't know if his price is doable. I would be hesitant to just let go of Webb but if Cyprien is the reason then it's good enough for me

I was hoping the Ravens give SSS a call around the bye week and try to convince him to have one last run. Learning he's tuning down workouts is killing my dream lol

If you ever see this SSS get off your butt and be ready coz teams will come calling late in the season! Ditch them and come back to Bmore

40 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, we wouldn't be extending him, since he's already under contract through 2021.

So in short, yes. If he played like he did last year, I see no reason to move on from him. If fans actually took the time to look around the league (and specifically the College game) and look at the alternatives, it would scare people into loving Flacco.

Its that bad. I mean you don't really think teams think that guys like Bradford and Osweiler are really good QBs do you? They just know what the alternative is.

Or just pick any franchise that hasn't had a respectable QB in over a decade what they think. The old "o just go get somebody in the draft or FA mantra" doesn't seem to be quite so simple then...

No! I refuse to even think that Flacco would have another season like last season. Flacco may never be a top 5 QB but he was regularly top 10-15 and caught fire in the playoffs. theres no way Flacco has another down year like last. He'll show up and his value will seem just fine.

5 hours ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

 

What's your feelings on the $9million Webb received?  Do you think he was worth the $9mill for 1 interception this past year??  What about the $7.5 million he's due to get in 2017? 

That 9 was too much but mostly it was because of the restructure a year prior, il gladly take him if he takes a paycut and add a year. 5.5 mil seems fair.