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18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Correct, he hasn't. I'd argue you couldn't name a QB in the league that does either for that matter, but that's also irrelevant.

The point is that when Joe plays bad, the trolls are out with their "told you so" signs, but when he plays great games, they run and hide like cowards.

There's 3-4 consecutive game stretches in every season where we never hear from these folks, and I just want to know why.

True. Even the best QBs in the NFL have 2-4 bad games a year. The difference is that they have 10-12 good games every single year regardless of who is around them. Flacco rarely has 3 good games in a row and we need that Flacco. SB Flacco! Not 2016 flacco.

That's not fair. True there are some that come up with insane ideas like "trade Joe for a third rounder" or "bench him for mallet" but most of Flaccos critics do so because Joe deserves it. Sure sometimes they go overboard but for the most part Joe can and should play better. When Joe had 2 good games in a row, I was the first to praise him going through his reads and balling. When he has one good game followed by 3 mediocre games of course he'll get critisized.

sometimes people also invite the critisim by saying stuff like "Joe gave us the lead" when it took him 13 drives to score 1 TD and we lose 16-10.

joe is our guy! But just a like everyone else he needs to play better.

1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

In base sets, depending on how things pan out, all these guys will be on the bench:
Tavon, Webby, Timmy Williams, Urban, Henry, Z, Judon, and Carl Davis.
Pretty outrageous. A lot of those guys could start on most teams.
Very excited to watch The Baltimore Ravens defense. Not only this year, but for years to come now.

Small side note and thought....... Z and a 6th rounder for Decker? I think that makes a ton of sense for both sides.

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat!

20 hours ago, KidNme said:

With all the Joe bashing going on here, all I can say is
"Make your words soft and sweet because you may have to eat them".
Going to be really hard for some of you to come back here during the season and then praise Joe when he starts firing on all cylinders.

Bashing is absolutely out of line when we know it wants all on Joe. Trestman deserved the bashing and earned the stashing. Joe on the other hand deserves the criticism and he said it himself. He needs to play better and he's definitely capeable.

it won't be hard at all for Flacco critics to one here because the team would win a loooot of games if Flacco fired at all cylinders.

hes definaty here to mentor Tim Willams along with a few more young guns. Great hire. Best of luck Jameel

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah I think fans are blending two things together. DeCosta said that he anticipated a WR or two being available at 16 when they picked, but they never said anything about trading up to get one.

When Ozzie specifically said they were targeting trading up in the teens, it obviously couldn't have been for a WR, because those discussions were happening after the top 3 WRs were off the board already.

Had to have been for a defensive player, and I agree it would have been Reddick, Barnett, or outside chance of Hooker.

Imagine if hooker fell to 16. I'd bet everything I own that we would have moved back lol

13 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Please don't call him a workout warrior man! All that does is reminds me of Eugene Monroe!

Loooooool ok il stop

14 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

What I heard was they tried to move up for Reddick but where did this moving up for a WR come up? Was it just speculation that if they moved up to get one of those receivers then it would cost this much, yada yada??

Reddick also makes sense. Yeah i think it's just speculation. Had a WR fallen past ten then this would be a real discussion lol

On April 30, 2017 at 11:13 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

Everybody should pump the breaks a little on this best defense talk. Bowser has top shelf athleticism but has to show toughness to play in the NFL. Could be Jamie Collins or close. Could be Eli Harold And Mingo

Our most exciting draft pick Tim Williams has exciting explosive potential to be the best defensive player in the draft. But we do have to pump the breaks a little. He has a ways to go as a run defender. I think he has a good attitude and a smarter player than credited for and hungry to work and get better.

He needs to add upper body strength in a big way. His legs are incredibly powerful. He squats more than most defensive tackles. However He didn't even do the bench at combine or proday. Not surprised considering his upper body looks like that of a cornerback compared to his legs. Which is very strange because most of the time it is opposite way around. Usually a players upper body is big and strong compared to smaller legs. Very rare and unusual a players legs are so powerful and upper body needing strength like that. However big strong legs suggests his upper body frame could stand to get much bigger. And grow into his frame. Mingo never did like the browns hoped. But he also was chicken legged.

If he can add some size to his upper body he could become a complete game wrecker as a 3-4 edge rusher and even 4-3 olb in ever phase. 255lbs would be plenty of size for his style. He is nearly as explosive and athletic an edge rusher as Von Miller. But let's pump the breaks a little because he has some work to do. But he has legit potential to be our most explosive edge rusher since Peter Boulware. Boulware was more ready out of the box but very similar potential. Boulware would be a first ballot hall of famer if he didn't have the knee injuries. Tim has similar skill!!

First of all great insightful post,

I'm not worried about Tim stopping the run. He won't need to play first downs and short yardage situations. I'd rather have him work on perfecting his craft than worry about the run and potentially losing some of his burst. This team is loaded with great run stoppers so we can afford to scheme around one pure pass rusher. Heck it's actually gonna be fun for Pees. 

What really worries me is what made him fall from a top15 talent to the third round. failing drug tests.... Rookies in the NFL are treated like players that have already failed a test. So basically he's subjected to a random test any given week. So he better stay off the damn weeeeeeeed

2018 if he passes his test then he can smoke all the weed he wants. Just not this year. Please Timmy please stay off the damn weed for a year!

2 hours ago, Swift 1 said:

Maybe simple but not true unless the paper lies about TOP

Omg. This again?

TOP is not a great indicator of anything!!! It's such a misleading statistic if your trying to reach any conclusion with that stat alone. I don't remember what game last year that we led TOP and punted the ball 7 times. 7!!!

there was another game where we led in TOP but averaged 2:30 per possession. That's horrendous!

dont fall in love with the paper. What obvious is that our offense needs to work  on sustaining drives. So many of our games last year should have been blowouts because our defense forced more punts than anyone. Our defense better finish games. Sure they're not gonna finish them all but il take half. Pees needs to stop with the vanilla last 5 min defense and there's no excuses this time. You have the quality and the depth. 

On April 29, 2017 at 5:49 AM, ByTheBay said:

I'd like to see Bowser rotate with Suggs while Williams takes over for Doom. Could be out OLB's of the future. 

I dont see Williams playing any first downs and most second downs. He's a pass rush specialist. Il gladly have him fresh and play 40-60 percent of snaps. All he needs to think about is getting to the QB. That was Dooms primary role when he led the NFL in sacks.

suggs obviously is still the best OLB on this squad but the depth we have allows us to rest him ensuring he's 100 percent in the 4th. I don't want Suggs playing more than 60 percent of snaps either. It's a marathon not a sprint.

That leaves Bowser and Judon killing each other for the remaining snaps.

all 4 will get a close to staring role but not quite. Then come playoffs 3 will get the majority of snaps.

imagine all 4 on the field on let's say 3rd and 12. Suggs and Williams outside. Bowser playing ILB with Mosley  and Judon playing DE. I promise you 1 or the 4 will get to the QB in 3 seconds or less lol

bring back some organized chaos Pees!!! You certainly have the talent

2 hours ago, Rayner said:

Never mind trading up and giving up a king's ransom for, let's face it, WRs that don't have the talent levels or college production as most of the last few classes (And that's before all 3 of their injury histories are taken into account) when there were 3 players that I would have loved but wouldn't have pegged falling to us going 14th, 15th and 17th. How much would it have cost to move up a couple of spots to get "The next Ed Reed" or Suggs heir apparent? A 4th?

Great post. None of them were considered Julio but Davis and Williams had the potential of being an AJ Green. For one of hem to fall to 16 then we'd get great value but to reach that far is crazy. Especially when you have to give up so much for a guy that's not necesarrily guaranteed NFL sucess.

had we passed on one at 16 then yes j also would have thrown a tantrum. But I seriously don't understand why people are even complaining. You take what the draft gives you and I think we did well with our first pick. 

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

If trading up for a WR was so seriously considered, it baffles me as to the reason they didn't select a top 5-10 talent in the best receiving TE to come out in the past several years - OJ Howard. He would be a great move the chains TE and a mismatch on gameday. He would also be a huge upgrade on our oft injured TE group.

No it wasn't. Our FO didn't even make calls to move up inside 10. Ozzie clearly said that they tried mooving up in the "teens" so it was probably for barnett

19 hours ago, berad said:

He looks rangy and fast. Apparently he's decent in coverage, too? If he can hold up against the run, he sounds like a complete OLB.

He's not complete yet. He's a bit small to consistantly set the edge but all indications are that he would be great at it if he adds some weight. He's not a complete OLB yet but he would have gone too 10 lol

i love this pick because when you look at him as a prospect, he checks all the hard un teachable stuff and lacks the easy things like setting the edge and and perhaps a spin move. 

On May 1, 2017 at 1:40 AM, ellicottraven said:

I watched him against Memphis and came away unimpressed. He can't seem to shed blocks, doesn't get penetration but most disappointingly wasn't playing through the whistle. He was ineffective at least in that game. Unless he's vastly improved since that game, I don't understand why there is so much hype surrounding him. Anybody?

His upside is just insane! His fluid hips are something you can't teach and just by looking at his body, he's a workout warrior. Yes he's not going to average 10 sacks a year but he certainly has the versatility to ultimately become one of the best SAM backers in the NFL. I'm hoping that Suggs adopts him and teaches him everything. He could be Suggs 2.0 with some work on technique and some weight.

13 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Marqise lee is a huge upgrade over anything we have. His routes are awesome. He fell behind very skilled WRs in their own right while injured. But really came on last year even with bad QB play. Westbrook is very good. Many feel better than John Ross. If he didn't have any drama he would of went in round1. If he shows well One of Hurns lee will be traded. Jags will be getting that cheap production from him. Don't think jags want to pay 3 WRs over$10mil per.

What do you think it would it take to get Lee? I'd be very intrigued, I liked this guy all the way back to his college days

Good luck Justin. We will never forget

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, we're doing this again. Obviously not just going to trust some number that somebody on a fanboard throws out there. And you definitely don't need to know Ozzie to figure this out either... its readily available on the internet.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap/

That includes the draft pool.

I guess we could cut guys like Hurst or Jensen, but that's pretty unusual for this franchise to cut restricted FA tenders that we just handed out. Jensen in particular figures to very much be competing for a starting role.

I agree that we likely will ultimately cut guys like Watson and Arrington, though again, two major caveats here:

1. They have to be healthy enough to pass a physical. If they can't, you have to cut them with a settlement, which will eat into the dead cap space. We have no idea what that amount will be, or when we can even cut them without one. Watson's only about 7 months from a torn achilles and he's an older player... if it takes him 10 months or so to recovery, you can't even cut him without a settlement until close to the start of the season. At that point, his cap space is largely useless.

2. The rule of 51 means you won't get all of that cap savings. If you cut a player, another player moves up into the top 51. Current cutoff looks to be around $540K, so if cut both Arrington and Watson, you lose about $1-1.1M of that cap space.

Bottom line... the longer these guys are injured, the more difficult it becomes to cut them.

You know spotrac and over the cap are not always accurate right? They both had us above 10 mil before the draft and they don't get it right untill the PA releases official numbers.

back to the rule of 51, so if you release Areington and sign anyone alse for a million. Wouldn't you save a million in cap? Whoever it is that's 52 on that list goes back to 52 when you use that cap space lol so basically if you free up 2 mil then you actually have 2 mil more to spend

and no it's not that uncommon to cut guys you just tendered. We just did that with a guy and would do it again if let's say mangold is signed 1.7 mil for proven backups is a steep price to pay. It's basically insurance

i honestly think Ozzie is not done with making moves. This offseason hasn't been like the past few and if we keep this momentum rolling then we can seriously compete

lasr but not least, I would hope Arrington clears wavers ASAP coz that would be such a waste. And Watson if I'm not mistaken is almost cleared 

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Source for the $6M?

Plus we don't know for sure that Watson is getting cut... we just assume that he is. We won't cut him unless we have somebody to sign with his money.

As far as I know, neither he nor Arrington is healthy enough to release at this point.

Really, we're doing this again? I don't have a source, I called Ozzie myself lol

and as far as I know, none of the rookies have been signed so your source is basically guessing if we're gonna play that game.  Point is we have cap space to sign 2 or maybe even 3 players. Hurst and Jensen can be let go of for another 3.2 million. Watson frees up 3 and Arrington frees up 2 that's 8 mil more than what we already have if the right players come along.

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And do you really think that the Lions using a 3rd round pick on an extremely raw WR means they're done at the position?

Heck, if WE drafted a 3rd rounder, do you think the fanbase or the team would be content with what we have? We don't even trust a 1st rounder in his 3rd year... what makes you think another team is going to trust a raw 3rd rounder to make up for that production in his rookie year?

I doubt they're done looking to add receivers, just like other teams in the league aren't done. Detroit isn't the only team that would be interested.

Yes. The reason they drafted him was to replace Q. Comparing that situation to our situation is just wrong. In Detroit Q was the third WR and they have zero cap space. So it's safe to assume that they're  mooving on without him. 

The funny thing is that I'm on your side and don't think Q is the best option at this point in his career. But I acgnowlidged that there is a chance we sign him. Even if it's 1 percent. You refuse to let that pass.

i can only speak of myself but I remember sometime last year when you and I had multiple discussions about the salary cap and signing Free Agents. I made valid points and so did you. Except You went as far as to call me out and say i must be crazy. You said stuff like "end of discussion and this is a fact!" When all I was trying to show you is that salary cap space can be and should be freed up last year. Guess what, we did free up a lot of cap space and signed a few good guys when you said its impossible and mocked me like I was out of my mind. Heck you were wrong but I don't hold that against you because I know you were just passionate about our Ravens. Other people may take it the wrong way and you certainly wouldn't like people speaking to you in the same tone that you sometime speak to others.

You once called someone a flat out "Troll" and you may have been right about his action. You certainly were wrong to call him a troll. Call out his action, neg him, or ignore. The difference between calling someone a troll or saying this comment seems like your trolling is heaven and hell

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, that's not why I called her childish.

I called her childish because she attempted to support her opinion with an article that she very clearly didn't bother to read, because she thought it said something that it never said.

And I called her childish because I told her to stop responding because she failed multiple times to make any sort of contribution to the discussion (outside of just re-posting an article that said something everybody is already talking about), and yet she continued to post replies to me after ironically telling somebody else to "move on" (which she very clearly didn't do herself and still hasn't).

How is that not childish?

All I'm saying is that you can attack anyone's opinion not them as a person. There's probably a hundred times where I felt like telling someone (your and ideot) and I probably would have been right at that point but your a regular here and this place is a bit classier than that. Heck you are classier than that. That's all im sayin

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

The fact that nothing is guaranteed in this scenario doesnt mean much, bc youre giving up a draft pick. Trading a pick just to cut a player, and saying great - well at least there wasnt any guaranteed money - is still a big loss.

Hes not going to rework his deal to make it more team friendly. Hes got one last shot at a big FA deal and the cost for very good WR's has eclipsed $10m/yr. His consistent production puts him above guys like Britt, Stills, etc... who signed for $8m+/yr (which is more than his current deal has left) and hes closer to Desean Jackson territory which is above the $10m/yr threshold. 

Whether with the Jets or a team that trades for him hes going to play out the last 2 years of his deal and test the market where he can make a lot more guaranteed money, more per year and pick where he wants to go. The Ravens would have literally 0 leverage to get him to sign an extension unless it was on par with what he thinks his market value will be in FA.

You guys are putting way too much value on a 6th or 7th round pick. Those guys usually don't make it past training camp so that doesn't concern me at all. And yes we would have leverage because we can give him money up front and restructure the deal. If he falls out and we release him next year then he probably gets something close to the minimum. We don't have all the leverage but he has none at all. 

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. We've had cap space to work with the last few years. We've carried over around $4M + in the last few years. That's more than enough to sign a veteran player who's getting cut in the summer.

2. I fully expect us to bring in Mangold, but he's also a FA and has been for some time. The kinds of players you guys are talking about are cuts or trades from other teams.

I still think we release Watson. And I don't think we get Decker. It certainly won't be via trade, because he's due $7.5M this season.

If we get Decker, its IF he is cut, when we compete with many other teams who would want him.

Plus, if you're concerned about cap space, we only have about $4.5M of it right now. So how you plan on signing Mangold and Decker with that is going to be a stretch, even with a few more cuts.

Watson and whatever his face CB that's getting cut frees up 5 mil more. And we have 6 mil not 4

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

Looooooool

1 hour ago, The Greek said:

not disrespecting him at all. i hope he becomes a pro bowl caliber receiver but as i said it must be proven on the field and until that happens we have nothing on offense that teams fear

Maybe I'm drinking some purple cool but I saw everything I needed to see from a first year guy that got zero offseason work. He made 5 or 6 catches that only a handful of WRs can make. He showed speed and YAC potential. He improved throughout the season and got 500 yards while often being the 4th or 5th option. He played less than half offensive snaps

38 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You are mistaken, and that's the point.

Doom was a March acquisition, and so was Zuttah.

As I said earlier, the "bargain shopping" theory is nice and all, but it doesn't happen every year and it rarely lands a world-beater type player.

Yes, you can get somebody like Jacoby. He had one season of being a good kick returner and was integral in our SB win. After that, not much.

Daryl Smith is probably the best of those late acquisitions. A good player certainly, but that also doesn't happen every year. This is the time of year we usually sign maybe 1 key role player.

No one is calling for a game breaker. Key role players will do.

you forgot to mention that in most previous years we had no cap space to work with by this time. This year we do. 

So are you saying there's no way we bring in Mangold and Decker and give up a 6th and release Watson? I think that's more than "not much" and I believe those two will do wonders to improving this offense