sizzlingdoom

My Ideal draft:

Round 1: WR Corey Davis
Round 2: OLB Carl Lawson
Round 3: CB Teez Tabor (Whatever CB falls)
Round 3: RT Roderick Johnson
Round 4: RB Kareem Hunt
Round 5: C Tyler Orlosky
Round 6: QB Brady Gustafson

What I think the Ravens will do:

Round 1: OLB Takkarist McKinley (or RT Cam Robinson on trade back)
Round 2: CB Kevin King
Round 3: DE Tanoh Kpassagnon
Round 3: C Ethan Pocic
Round 4: RB Brian Hill
Round 5: RT Darrell Williams
Round 6: WR Deangelo Yancey

I like the top one. your ideal draft. Those top 4 picks would be perfect, except I would prioritize getting Eflein in there for our Center for the next 10 years.
We need to draft Teez.
If Davis isn't there at 16, I would trade down to get that extra pick for Eflein, and make sure I draft Ju Ju.
Here's my ideal draft with a trade down out of 16-

Forrest Lamp
Ju Ju
Carl Lawson
Teez
Eflein
Roderick Johnson

Then if it were still possible to get Perine, that would be amazing. I haven't really studied Hunt yet at all

That would be an INSANE draft class for us

Teez and Lawson are top 15 talents imo. Crazy to me how much their stock has fallen over the past month

Im gonna say this... If  browns have a great draft this year we are in trouble. Imagine if they go all all defense in first 2 rounds( which is what i would do)  or 3 defensive players and maybe fournttte if he drops to 12. That could potentially put them a QB away from competing.

I wouldn't say we're in trouble. But with the picks and coach they have, they are in a position to turn things around in a hurry. If they draft really well. We all know that's a huge IF though when it comes to the browns

  6 hours ago, BMORE21 said:

if Sidney Jones is there in 2nd at our pick, id take him over quincy wilson

I agree. 👍

I'm a huge fan of both. I'm just really hoping the Steelers don't take Quincy in the first

The rising Raiders just snagged Beast Mode..........maybe we should draft Foster.......

in a league with a type cap limit which is always eaten up in large part by QBs - No team can afford to overstock any position. 1.Watson 2. Pitta 3. Gilmore 4. Waller 5. Maxx - 6. Boyle Even if we cut Watson and released Waller or Maxx (which I dounbt) that would still leave us with 3 TEs and I just dont see us drafting a 5th TE in round 1.

OJ is a great talent but not the right move for us. If Andrew Luck or another top tier QB prospect came out this draft - even if they would be an upgrade we dont go out and get them; We have a franchise QB- Drafting another franchise QB would be a wasted draft pick (Even if they became the starter) then we would have a ton of dead money and we would waste a previous pick.

Maxx -and Crocket are high draft picks and we cannot afford to over stock one position and leave the cupboards bare in other spots....

This is what the Browns and other cellar dwellers do.

I agree Howard might not be the right move, but what do you say to not having a single reliable te that can block and catch?
-Pitta is not durable, cant block, is overrated as a receiver, and handicaps predictability when on the field.
-Gilmore and Williams(bust) couldn't even get on the field last year........
-And Watson is old, coming off injury and probably gone
- And Waller is nothing

And I'm not saying cut anyone besides Watson, or necc. draft Howard, but our TE group went from "being the best in the league"-(Gilmore's genius claim last year), to being sad and completely unreliable.

If Barnett and Davis were healthy for the pre draft process, they would both be top 10 locks. That fact that one could slip to us is amazing. Talk about BPA meets need

I'm certainly not disputing that OJ is an animal. I probably like him more than you do.

watson is probably gone and pitta shouldn't even be asked to block. Pitta is still a top 10 TE in this league so let's get used to it. It wasn't pittas fault that Coordinators drew up horrible plays at horrible times. Nor was it his fault that Flacco threw him the ball. 

Gilmore and Williams were second and third rounders. Just giving up on them because they got hurt is counter productive.

Sure Howard might be a bit of an upgrade from who we have but the opportunity cost is us not addressing a greater need. A pass rusher, WR, Lineman, and even a ILB would help this team more. Than an upgrade at TE.

thats all were trying to say...

Just playing devil's advocate
And while I believe our TE group has depth, it lacks reliability or 1 true complete TE that can stay on the field.
I'm on the Barnett or Davis, or trade down boat

I'm certainly not disputing that OJ is an animal. I probably like him more than you do.

watson is probably gone and pitta shouldn't even be asked to block. Pitta is still a top 10 TE in this league so let's get used to it. It wasn't pittas fault that Coordinators drew up horrible plays at horrible times. Nor was it his fault that Flacco threw him the ball. 

Gilmore and Williams were second and third rounders. Just giving up on them because they got hurt is counter productive.

Sure Howard might be a bit of an upgrade from who we have but the opportunity cost is us not addressing a greater need. A pass rusher, WR, Lineman, and even a ILB would help this team more. Than an upgrade at TE.

thats all were trying to say...

I hear ya. I know what you're saying. And I agree more with you about not talking Howard, than doing so, but I wouldn't be mad if we did.
Calling Pitta a top 10 TE means nothing. Him not being able to block is a serious giveaway on plays, and a handicap. Whether he blocks, or doesn't block on the play. It's not like he's enough of a receiving threat to dismiss the fact he does take up a TE spot, and can't block at all.
Williams is useless. And I'm not saying I'd cut him
If we drafted Howard, Gilmore would still be the # 2 te. Then we would actually have 2 real te's, that can block and catch. Boyle would be an awesome 4 and good back up and special teamer.

Once again. I totally hear what you're saying, and agree with a lot of it. But we don't have 1 true TE on the roster that we can rely on. Especially one that is a big time difference maker. I don't think that's even debatable

  14 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

Great post. Couldn't have said it any better. Howard is a monster but it just doesn't make sense

I just responded to this. With a different thought than I just responded with, if Howard slips to 18.......that could mean a very nice package deal to trade down, if a playoff team freaks out and trades up for him

  14 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I disagree.... I think we have quality at TE. Watson is proven. Pitta lead all TE's in receptions last year. He should only be better this year. Gilmore has shown that he can be a starting TE in this league and not just a blocking TE.

Then we have guys like Maxx, Boyle and Waller who have potential and in Waller's case has even shown some of that ability.

I think we are deep at TE both with quality and quantity. Heck we have two TEs who have posted 1000 yard seasons in this league. (yes they have had some injuries but so has Gronk, and Julius Thomas and Gates and so on... I wouldn't write them off) there are a lot of teams who just are not close to us in the quality of talent that we have at TE

I would be shocked and disappointed if we went TE- I think OJ Howard is really a top end talent but drafting him would create more dead money that we probably cannot afford to take on at this point.

(unless we are planning to use Watson and maybe even some other TEs as trade bait)????

Great post. Couldn't have said it any better. Howard is a monster but it just doesn't make sense

-Watson is how old? and coming off an Achilles. And just had one stand out year when Brees was throwing to him
- My sister blocks better than Pitta. He led all te's in catches because a 3 yard pass to Pitta was all Joe could see on 3rd and 7. Not having PItta would be great for Joe, yet many think the opposite. Not durable, can't block at all, and overrated as a receiver
-I like Gilmore but he is of no use to the Ravens if he can't stay on the field
- Maxx has done absolutely nothing since being a 2nd round pick. And don't tell me he broke records, look at his stats. Probably another recent high pick bust
- Boyle is solid but nothing special, and was suspended
- and Waller is absolutely nothing to rely on

OJ Howard is the best TE I've ever seen come out along with Vernon Davis. He would help the pass game, the run game, and be a much needed red zone threat. Most people have him as a top 10 talent in this insane draft, and some have mocked him as high as 4 overall. I understand the pass rushing, wr, and oline needs, but as you said, Howard is a monster. And if we drafted him he would most likely be the BPA. I totally understand what you're saying, but if he ended up being our Gronk, I wouldn't be mad at all. He has all the attributes, and he is even quite a bit faster than Gronk. If we passed on Barnett for Howard, I would not be happy. Aside from that, if he makes it to 16, he has a great chance of being the BPA

Just noticed Carl Lawson isn't even on Mayock's top 100 list. He was being mocked late 1rst for a while. Now I guess his stock has been dropping. His NFL draft profile has a 3rd round projection. Yet, I think I saw PFF has him as the 12th best player overall. Interesting. Looks like he's going anywhere from late 1 to the third. Crazy Draft. It's almost time!

Mike Mayock listing Teez in the 80's on his top 100 list.......
ITS OFFICIAL, the entire draft community has gone insane when it comes to Tabor.
The guy is a top 15 talent and a first round pick in any draft. Top 4 corner in this draft easily. Whoever gets him is going to get THE steal of the draft. It just proves how bonkers people go in this pre-draft process. Just watch the tape! When the first mocks came out before the ridiculous pre draft process, I saw multiple people mocking Teez to the Titans....at #5 OVERALL. The guy is a playmaker, and has been his entire football career. I really hope we draft Teez Tabor. Pairing Tabor with Tavon, Jimmy, TJ, and Weddle for multiple years sounds amazing. Grabbing King as Weddle's successor would be amazing as well.

These are 5 names I hope are Baltimore Ravens after Friday is done.

Carl Lawson
Ju Ju Smith
Teez Tabor
Desmond King
Pat Elfein

Perine in the 4th would be SWEET as well.

If we added those 6 names, and another lineman, I have no doubt we would have THE best roster in the NFL.
Our coaching is a different story...............which is slightly important.

Anyone ever notice that Eric DeCosta always looks like someone is about to ask him about a crime he was a suspect for many years ago?

SO true. You nailed it! LOL

Ideal draft without any trades-
1. Barnett
2. Ju Ju
3. Teez Tabor
3. Pat Elfein
4. Olineman- Johnson from FSU
5. Samaje Perine
6. ILB

If we pulled that off.............................

Trade down 10 spots unless Davis or Barnett are there at 16.
After trading down, make sure we grab Lawson and Ju Ju with our first 2 picks

  12 hours ago, JD08 said:

Just don't see why they even have us considering a TE, we have so many already....

Bro we have TE's but none of them have proved to be consistent nor game changing.

Very True. Along with Vernon Davis, Howard is the best TE I've ever seen coming out of college too. I wouldn't be surprised or mad if we took him at 16. He'll probably be off the board though. I would hate it if we took the Miami TE at 16 though

If we could find a partner trading down would seem like the best option , but at 16 dream pick =Barnett , most likely + Foster

agreed. I'd just replace Foster with Davis.
Dream 1 and 2 for me is
Barnett then Ju Ju

Wallace and Perriman will look incompetent if we don't add a Q/Keenan/Landry type,
if we do add a legitimate possession/3rd down/red zone wr early, then Wallace and Perriman will flourish and look amazing as deep threats and perfect complimentary pieces
I really think it will be night and day with our wr core, depending on whether we add that right guy or not ( Ju Ju!!!!!!!!!!)
-Ju Ju, Wallace, and Perriman, with Camp and Moore as the 4 and 5 is as complete and as dangerous as a wr core will get imo
- If we rely on Wallace and Breshad to clearly be on top of the depth chart, our wr core will be in big trouble. Everything has to work together. Breshad and Mike are very good pieces, but they're the quick and slippery Jelly, they need that solid and tough Peanut Butter that holds everything together!

  15 hours ago, ravens333 said:

  16 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  16 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

If we don't trade back

1. Corey Davis- WR- Western Mich
2. Tim Williams - OLB- Bamma
3. Ju Ju Smith -WR- Schuster
3. Jalen Myrick-CB- Minn
or Cam Sutton- CB- Tenn
4. Ethan Pocic- C- LSU
5. Zach Banner- C/T USC
6. Ben Gedeon- ILB- Mich

That would be a reasonabl draft - but I'm afraid Schuster at #74 and Pocic in the fourth round may be too optimistic.

I don't think Pocic in the 4th is that big of a strech

A lot of people are calling for Schuster early (and I think you are probably right) but most of the pundits are calling for him in the 3rd and even 4th round????

Wonder if there is something about him that we are not aware of????

No Way. I have a hard time seeing him making it to our second pick. The guy is a first round talent any year

I know Ravens fans don't want to see us draft another TE, but OJ Howard is the best tight end I've ever seen coming out of college, him and Vernon Davis. He'll probably be a top 10 pick, and rightfully so. I wouldn't be mad if we took him.

I'm watching him and Ju Ju on game changers right now. Ju Ju said he models his game after Q and Dez. That's what I see on tape. It's a good episode. We need to draft Ju Ju

  8 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan,Mike Williams, WR, Clemson,Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford,Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU and Dalvin Cook are all playmakers and I would love to have any of these guys

Agree 100%.
Cook has a lot of red flags on and off the field though.
Trading down, and getting Ju Ju in the second, plus another pick in this insane draft definitely seems like better value though to me now. I'm starting to think I like Ju Ju as the best wr regardless of draft spot.
Davis is intriguing no doubt, just harder to judge cuz of the competition and transition he'll make. Obviously there's a lot of different routes we can go in terms of what position to choose in what order, but here's a quick DREAM scenario for me for Thursday and Friday.
Nobody knows exactly where people are going to be picked, but if we pulled anything close to this, I would probably sprint straight to Baltimore from here( CA) cuz I'd be so pumped!!!
This does involve 2 trades- trading down from 16, and trading 2 or 3 2018 picks (maybe a 2nd, 4th, and 6th), for an extra 2017 2nd rounder.
The Baltimore Ravens 2017 first 6 picks
- Forrest Lamp
- Carl Lawson
- Ju Ju Smith
- Pat Elfein
- Teez Tabor
- Desmond King

BOOM!
-DOMINANT top 5 Oline- for years and years
- As complete of a wr core as any in the league
-Lawson to put opposite Sizzle and learn from him
- Our FS of the future to learn from Weddle
- Teez is a top 3 corner in this draft IMO, pairing him with Tavon and Jimmy would be nuts. Not to mention he can slowly catch on for a year while Carr is here
- The secondary would be set and elite for the next 3-5 years at least

I know the likeliness of Ozzie trading into the 2nd, for our 6th pick in the first 3 rounds is very very low, but it's so worth it for this draft. Pretty sure we still have some money to save as well to sign these picks if need be by releasing Arrington and Watson.
K.C. and P.O. are gonna battle for the other ILB spot too. And we could still even use a 4th or 5th on one with this plan. It's not a position that needs a big investment on, especially with C.J. there, and considering how absurd the rest of our D is.
If we executed this plan combined with our current foundation, I believe we would be the dominant team for the next 5 years plus. At the very least, we would be right there with the Pats every year. Brady isn't gonna keep chuggin forever.
I'm sure some fans will pick my plan apart, but I love it, and really hope we do something like this.

Then add in Mr. Samaje Perine as our 4th rounder.
Behind:
Stanley-Lewis-Elfein-Yanda-Lamp
Perine and Dixon could split the load and each put up 800-1000 yards a year. Which would certainly take the pressure off Flacco. And someone on ESPN made a simple, but great point the other day. The Ravens, but more specifically Flacco, is at his best off play action. We have the deep threats. Now just fill that line in.
That line + those 2 backs would be such a bummer for opposing defenses! lol especially during the cold months and playoff time!

* side note, it kinda looks like Lewis has the body of a Tackle, not a Guard. Maybe Lewis can play RT.
Also, I would not be mad at all if we straight up picked Lamp at 16. He's underrated. People think he can play all 5 line positions. I say if he comes in and plays LG, he challenges K.O., Yanda, and Zach Martin right away, year 1, as the best Guard in the league.

Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan,Mike Williams, WR, Clemson,Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford,Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU and Dalvin Cook are all playmakers and I would love to have any of these guys

Agree 100%.
Cook has a lot of red flags on and off the field though.
Trading down, and getting Ju Ju in the second, plus another pick in this insane draft definitely seems like better value though to me now. I'm starting to think I like Ju Ju as the best wr regardless of draft spot.
Davis is intriguing no doubt, just harder to judge cuz of the competition and transition he'll make. Obviously there's a lot of different routes we can go in terms of what position to choose in what order, but here's a quick DREAM scenario for me for Thursday and Friday.
Nobody knows exactly where people are going to be picked, but if we pulled anything close to this, I would probably sprint straight to Baltimore from here( CA) cuz I'd be so pumped!!!
This does involve 2 trades- trading down from 16, and trading 2 or 3 2018 picks (maybe a 2nd, 4th, and 6th), for an extra 2017 2nd rounder.
The Baltimore Ravens 2017 first 6 picks
- Forrest Lamp
- Carl Lawson
- Ju Ju Smith
- Pat Elfein
- Teez Tabor
- Desmond King

BOOM!
-DOMINANT top 5 Oline- for years and years
- As complete of a wr core as any in the league
-Lawson to put opposite Sizzle and learn from him
- Our FS of the future to learn from Weddle
- Teez is a top 3 corner in this draft IMO, pairing him with Tavon and Jimmy would be nuts. Not to mention he can slowly catch on for a year while Carr is here
- The secondary would be set and elite for the next 3-5 years at least

I know the likeliness of Ozzie trading into the 2nd, for our 6th pick in the first 3 rounds is very very low, but it's so worth it for this draft. Pretty sure we still have some money to save as well to sign these picks if need be by releasing Arrington and Watson.
K.C. and P.O. are gonna battle for the other ILB spot too. And we could still even use a 4th or 5th on one with this plan. It's not a position that needs a big investment on, especially with C.J. there, and considering how absurd the rest of our D is.
If we executed this plan combined with our current foundation, I believe we would be the dominant team for the next 5 years plus. At the very least, we would be right there with the Pats every year. Brady isn't gonna keep chuggin forever.
I'm sure some fans will pick my plan apart, but I love it, and really hope we do something like this.

why does everyone want offense? we need to go passrush and ILB for the first 2 picks

Did you watch the Offense last year? And we lost Smitty. We'll use a high pick on a pass rusher no doubt. ILB is not a position you need to spend a first or second round pick on- Orr is a great example of that. We'll use a high pick on a pass rusher and our defense is Loaded and almost completely set. We need a couple Olineman and a wr though. A rb wouldn't be a bad idea either. I love Dixon but he needs to get and stay on the field

Reading these comments I see all everyone want is a big name WR and that's not what it takes it the QB and the play calling! The pats got no names it's brady and the play calling that makes their Offense work! Smh again I believe in whom we have already! If the Ravens picked WRs like the pats do some of yall fruit of the looms would be all twisted! Lol

We don't need a big name WR. We need someone that can run routes, someone that can be relied upon for big third down pick ups, someone that can make contested catches, and someone that can be a red zone presence. Breshad and Mike are great speed guys, now we need that "Q" type, that worked so well pairing with Torrey. Ju Ju Schuster Smith is exactly what we need. He's rated as the 5th or 6th best wr in this class ( which is absurd, he might be my favorite), so grabbing him in the 2nd would be SO perfect

  10 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

By later rounds do you mean the second round? Cuz I think both of those guys are going the second for sure, maybe Kupp slips to the third.

I was thinking one of them may be available to us with the first of the 3rd round picks...

I think JuJu is going in the second and I think he's exactly what we need. Short term and long term. I hope we make it happen